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Kucinch: Army School is same "...thinking that produced the war in Iraq...:
washingtonpost.com — "The type of thinking that produced this school is the same type of thinking that produced the war in Iraq and is producing a war against Iran," Kucinich said.
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- UnstableMind, on 11/19/2007, -2/+18Wow, I never even knew this existed. 10,000 people is alot for a protest too.
- LeeSoong, on 11/19/2007, -3/+4The Army schools teach 20th century fighting, but they teach nothing about Economic Warfare.
For the USA to be destroyed - it's enemies do not need to 'win' in combat, they simply must prolong, drag out, bog down, and otherwise maintain the USA engagement. The economics of warfare will bankrupt the U.S.A. just like it bankrupted the U.S.S.R.
Ongoing guerilla warfare is small, fast, cheap, hard to pin down, mobile, flexible, and unpredictable.
Conventional Military is large, slow, expensive, difficult, and resource consuming.
As long as any group can continually engage guerilla forces vs. conventional forces, the USA forces will lose the war, even if the win every battle and kill every opponent.
The warfare no longer is on the front lines - the real battle is being played out in international banks, budget offices, and funding cycles.- freethis, on 11/19/2007, -0/+1Are you trying to imply that the people protesting the School of Americas are part of some kind of 5th column attacking America?
- GeneralFailure0, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1No, I think he's pretty clearly simply criticizing the school itself and our approach to war against guerilla fighters.
- aMeta4, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1Damn, I hate it when I hit the "bury" button by mistake. Insightful comment, Lee.
- freethis, on 11/19/2007, -0/+1Are you trying to imply that the people protesting the School of Americas are part of some kind of 5th column attacking America?
- jewmanji, on 11/20/2007, -0/+3The SOA Watch organizers estimated 25,000
- nebion, on 11/20/2007, -0/+1I knew about it, but assumed it was something that had been given up long ago...
Scary.
- LeeSoong, on 11/19/2007, -3/+4The Army schools teach 20th century fighting, but they teach nothing about Economic Warfare.
- fantasmacanino, on 11/19/2007, -11/+72*****, Kucinich makes too much sense to be elected president.
- leftykiller, on 11/19/2007, -14/+2I'll give Kucinich this much, as much as I think he's an absolute lunatic, he isn't afraid to debate on Fox like the other wimps in his party.
- RabidAngel, on 11/19/2007, -1/+20He's a lunatic? As compared to which other presidential candidate?
- LeeSoong, on 11/19/2007, -1/+9ya, it's crazy to expect the government to follow the will of the people.
War for profit used to be immoral, now it's just part of the business plan.
- LeeSoong, on 11/19/2007, -1/+9ya, it's crazy to expect the government to follow the will of the people.
- Takteek, on 11/21/2007, -1/+1Yeah because FOX is so fair and balanced, who wouldn't want to participate in a debate run by them?
/sarcasm
- RabidAngel, on 11/19/2007, -1/+20He's a lunatic? As compared to which other presidential candidate?
- p0s3r, on 11/19/2007, -13/+7How does this make sense? Some people attended school. Those people committed crimes. Therefore the school is to blame.
Thats his retarded logic. There's no proof of causality, yet he went down there to pander to the protesters.- chijim70, on 11/19/2007, -4/+7Yeah, because your average school teaches you how to kill with precision.
- p0s3r, on 11/19/2007, -7/+5Yeah because your average military training school does teach you how to kill with precision. Is every soldier a murderer by fact of their training?
- slantyeyed, on 11/19/2007, -5/+3this is a military training school, it's not a liberal arts university. Judge it accordingly.
- chijim70, on 11/19/2007, -2/+2It's also the school that trained Hugo Chavez amongst other serious human rights violators. If we trained these guys then had oversight of them after they left I would allow for your comparison to our own army but you don't train people to kill that you have no oversight of. It is irresponsible and foolish.
- PhairOh, on 11/19/2007, -0/+6@chijim70 - I believe you mean Noriega. As far as I know (and I could be wrong, so please correct me if I am) Chavez was not ever educated by the US.
- freethis, on 11/19/2007, -0/+6It's not that they're taught to kill with precision, they were taught to use some of the most corrupt and barbaric forms of counter insurgency as a matter of course, torture, massacre, coups and rigged elections, death squads. Some of the worst atrocities of the Cold War were committed by graduates of the School of Americas. It wasn't just "some people", anywhere graduates went, violence followed. Now, I'm sure that the Soviets were just as bad when it came to educating their revolutionaries, but the whole point isn't to be worst than an enemy to win, it's to win by being superior to your enemy. The school is an embarrassment to the U.S. and should be closed.
- chijim70, on 11/19/2007, -0/+5Last paragraph on the page...
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950 ...
"General Noriega was trained at the United States School of the Americas, served as head of military intelligence in Panama for more than a decade and was believed to have been on the payroll of the Central Intelligence Agency. He was photographed in 1983 in a meeting in Panama City with Mr. Bush, then the Vice President. Panamanian opposition leaders said that the meeting was to discuss money laundering of drug profits through Panama, while aides to Mr. Bush called it a routine stopover to discuss drug interdiction efforts." - chijim70, on 11/19/2007, -0/+2@PhairOh thanks I had just read another article and got em mixed up heh. I posted the info about Noriega above for our rightwingnuts here. Thanks again.
- chijim70, on 11/19/2007, -4/+7Yeah, because your average school teaches you how to kill with precision.
- leftykiller, on 11/19/2007, -14/+2I'll give Kucinich this much, as much as I think he's an absolute lunatic, he isn't afraid to debate on Fox like the other wimps in his party.
- leftykiller, on 11/19/2007, -38/+8And Kucinich's thinking is the same that produced a bankrupt Cincinnati.
- zombies187, on 11/19/2007, -4/+13Repubs should keep attacking him for this. It proves they have nothing on him. Dugg.
- leftykiller, on 11/19/2007, -19/+3After bankrupting a city and seeing UFO's, what else is there to know about the loon?
- squeezer, on 11/19/2007, -3/+17Ronald Reagan also spoke about the UFOs he saw (before getting in office and before mental illness). Do you think he was crazy?
- zombies187, on 11/19/2007, -2/+5Yes, but not because of that.
- leftykiller, on 11/19/2007, -8/+1Source? Give me one example where Reagan suggested the government was behind a UFO cover up?
- chijim70, on 11/19/2007, -1/+6Leftykiller - He didn't say anything about "cover up" he said Reagan also freely admitted ("Spoke about") he had seen a ufo and not just on one occasion.
http://www.presidentialufo.com/ronald_reagan's_ufo ...
Read up smart guy and stop putting words in peoples mouths.. - zombies187, on 11/19/2007, -1/+3lefty, you have changed the topic from Cincinnati (snicker) to UFOs to coverups. You aren't making a coherent argument.
- TheHydrogens, on 11/19/2007, -2/+12How dare you compare the right-wing messiah Reagan saying he saw a UFO to Kucinich saying he saw a UFO! It is obviously totally different, since Ronald Reagan could do no wrong, and Kucinich is a terrorist loving communist.
/not serious - leftykiller, on 11/19/2007, -12/+1A "terrorist loving communist." Couldn't have said it better myself.
- squeezer, on 11/19/2007, -3/+17Ronald Reagan also spoke about the UFOs he saw (before getting in office and before mental illness). Do you think he was crazy?
- leftykiller, on 11/19/2007, -19/+3After bankrupting a city and seeing UFO's, what else is there to know about the loon?
- postingbh, on 11/19/2007, -3/+17In 1998, the Cleveland city council honored Kucinich for saving the city almost $200 million by not selling out Cleveland's power.
- leftykiller, on 11/19/2007, -12/+1Of course. Only in a left wing entrenched legislature like Cleveland would you see an abysmal failure like Kucinich honored.
- pintomp3, on 11/19/2007, -2/+15his mayorship was marred because he refused to sell the municipal electric utility. in retaliation, the cleveland mob put a hit out on him and the cleveland trust company called in all the debts that had been rolling over for years.
"in 1998 the council honored him for having the "courage and foresight" to stand up to the banks and saving the city an estimated $195 million between 1985 and 1995"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Kucinich#Cleve ...- leftykiller, on 11/19/2007, -12/+2Talk about putting lipstick on a pig.
- zombies187, on 11/19/2007, -1/+8I take it all back. You have convinced me.
- leftykiller, on 11/19/2007, -11/+1As if anything would.
- zombies187, on 11/19/2007, -0/+3As if you've even tried.
- kronix2, on 11/19/2007, -1/+8You mean, like your mother?
Sorry, couldn't resist. When somebody with the username "leftykiller" leaves themselves open to a mum joke, I feel obliged to post it.
- ruley, on 11/19/2007, -0/+6http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3 ...
If that doesn't look like a 70's cop show, i don't know what does. - aurorous, on 11/20/2007, -1/+1So he ran the credit cards up ot their limits, can't pay the mortgage or make the car payment but he did pay the electric bill. sigh....
On the other hand as congressman he has built a pretty solid reputation for giving a damn about the little guy... if the little guy happens to make the evening news or gets a feature article in the plain dealer, you can count on a follow up story involving Kucinich. But if none of the local cleveland news outlets care about your problem you can expect Kucinich not to care as well.
- leftykiller, on 11/19/2007, -12/+2Talk about putting lipstick on a pig.
- TheHydrogens, on 11/19/2007, -2/+9Why are people responding to such an obvious troll as somebody named "leftykiller".... If I am somehow mistaken and you actually believe any of this lefty, feel free to provide some evidence and shut me up, otherwise, back under your bridge!
- leftykiller, on 11/19/2007, -10/+1Look at my profile and yours and then tell me who is the troll. If you don't know Kucinich's record as Mayor of Cleveland that's your problem.
The guy isn't qualified to a be a mens room attendant let alone president of the united states. That could explain why his poll numbers are lower than Linsay Lohan on ludes.- zombies187, on 11/19/2007, -0/+3'Look at my profile and yours and then tell me who is the troll.' OK:
A "terrorist loving communist." Couldn't have said it better myself.
Cleveland, Detroit, DC, New Orleans... There are so many democrat-run cesspools, it's tough to keep track.
Talk about putting lipstick on a pig.
Of course. Only in a left wing entrenched legislature like Cleveland would you see an abysmal failure like Kucinich honored.
Google went down? On who?
If I could spin my balls, I'd never leave the house.
Hey, did Ahmadinejad make that avatar for you?
Liberals have a mind?
Die, green cult. Die.
We can only hope for a successful Coup in Venezuela. Or for Chavez to choke on some pollo. (?)
I don't even like the color green anymore and it used to be my favorite. Whenever I hear someone say anything about "going green" I want to puke. It's like a zombie cult that you just can't get away from. (At least not in the left wing mecca of NYC.)
Searching for a brain cell among the 2008 DNC candidates?
Stop whining, you big vagina.
When you aren't trolling you are saying something useless. You should work on what appears to be a brain frying anger problem. I see nothing in your profile making a case for conservatism. You are only interested in bashing democrats. I guess it makes you feel good. I'm glad you are the computer instead of out there oppressing people in person.
- zombies187, on 11/19/2007, -0/+3'Look at my profile and yours and then tell me who is the troll.' OK:
- postingbh, on 11/19/2007, -1/+8Nothing new, the people least capable of explaining their beliefs are the strongest believers. leftykiller fits in that category nicely.
- leftykiller, on 11/19/2007, -7/+1I would hardly call copying and pasting a quote from wikipedia "explaining".
- postingbh, on 11/19/2007, -1/+4Well, I was going to write a research paper for you, but I figured Wikipedia would be good enough for the time being.
As usual, I'm certain you will continue to ignore facts in favor of name calling. - leftykiller, on 11/19/2007, -6/+1What facts? Kucinich bankrupted Cleveland. Cite whatever accolades he received from the lefties in the city council that you want, it doesn't change the fact that he was an atrocious mayor.
- postingbh, on 11/19/2007, -1/+4Kucinich ran on a promise to cancel the sale of Cleveland's municipal power. He did exactly what he promised. The banks thought he would cave in, but he didn't and it saved Cleveland almost $200 million.
Whether it's immediately obvious or not, Kucinich gets it right the first time around. Iraq, the Patriot Act, China trade, Yucca Mountain, and certainly Cleveland municipal power. - leftykiller, on 11/19/2007, -4/+1Right on Iraq? lol The loon is still stuck in 2004 with his "It's a quagmire" talking points. Someone needs to let him know Saddam is dead and al Qaeda has accomplished nothing. Opposing the patriot act is another idiotic position since all it advocates is putting up the wall that prevented agencies from sharing intelligence pre-9/11. China trade? Why would anyone be opposed to trade with one of the fastest growing economies in the world? Yucca Mountain: See opposition to nuclear power, which translates into more dependency on foreign oil.
And keep citing this drop-in-the-bucket savings he allegedly achieved by keeping the power company in the hands of government bureaucrats. If he was so proud of his mayor record, he wouldn't have passed up the opportunity to defend himself when Russert pointed out what a failure his mayoral tenure was during the recent Philadelphia debate.
- postingbh, on 11/19/2007, -1/+4Well, I was going to write a research paper for you, but I figured Wikipedia would be good enough for the time being.
- leftykiller, on 11/19/2007, -7/+1I would hardly call copying and pasting a quote from wikipedia "explaining".
- leftykiller, on 11/19/2007, -10/+1Look at my profile and yours and then tell me who is the troll. If you don't know Kucinich's record as Mayor of Cleveland that's your problem.
- zombies187, on 11/19/2007, -4/+13Repubs should keep attacking him for this. It proves they have nothing on him. Dugg.
- DogMaEye, on 11/19/2007, -32/+10War is diry nasty business. I guess Dennis thinks the aliens will save us.
- Bodhinature, on 11/19/2007, -0/+6Just like how Astrology told Reagan to sell arms to Iran for hostages and then use the proceeds to fund Central American Juntas?
- FAT_PIGGY, on 11/19/2007, -2/+1lol
- objectcode, on 11/19/2007, -3/+16war today, war tomorrow, war forever
- moxley, on 11/19/2007, -0/+2Unfortunately that seems to be how it is going. Should this continue the sharp end may eventually be pointed back at those holding the stick.
- wakananda, on 11/19/2007, -0/+3If only we were playing with sticks. The ambient radiation from nuclear testing alone is ***** up the gene pool already; that's a very limited, non-sustainable situation. It's not mere poison; it's irreversible, multi-generational damage. And that's without any "exchange" of nuclear weapons by hostile countries (isn't it swell how they make doomsday sound like christmas?). Even if you stab someone through the heart with this "stick," your children and grandchildren (ad infinitum) eat misery, deformity and death. The neoconservative serial killers have, under these circumstances, produced a plethora of "tactical" nuclear weapons, designed as whupping sticks to keep uppity nations like Iran in line - even while we accuse them of plotting Armageddon. As a nation, we still haven't really looked at or understood what we actually did at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and why - we're still pounding our chests and crowing about it, and playing the same tape loops. Now the drug-damaged monkeys with their fingers on the button are ready to one-up that depraved feat.
- moxley, on 11/19/2007, -0/+2Unfortunately that seems to be how it is going. Should this continue the sharp end may eventually be pointed back at those holding the stick.
- SOS84, on 11/19/2007, -12/+41"Fort Benning spokeswoman Monica Manganaro said the protesters are "spectacularly misinformed." She said the school teaches the same courses taught to American soldiers."
Yeah, and I am an American soldier and I can tell you from personal experience that the Army is teaching soldiers to use brutal and inhuman tactics in Iraq.
I prime example is a whole village becoming a free fire zone as soon as soldiers are fired upon. That is just plain wrong.- pintomp3, on 11/19/2007, -3/+16it's bad enough we put american lives above the lives of other people, but we put american business interests above the lives of other people too.
- stillasleep00, on 11/19/2007, -1/+12And sometimes, we put even put American business interests above American lives.
*cough* HALLIBURTON *cough*- delafere, on 11/19/2007, -0/+2Why are you describing Halliburton as an American business interest?
- stillasleep00, on 11/19/2007, -1/+12And sometimes, we put even put American business interests above American lives.
- slantyeyed, on 11/19/2007, -5/+7I'm a secret agent spy and internationally renown race car driver. As a secret agent and race car driver, I know from personal experience that you are wrong.
- ejwhyne, on 11/20/2007, -1/+5You're an idiot. The Rules of Engagement (ROE) that we operate in Iraq under HEAVILY favor the bad guys. Not only are we required to let them have first shot at us before we engage them, but then there are strict guidelines for PID (Positive Identification) before engaging back. Screw up that and you're faced with murder charges. The fact that our enemies over here don't follow ROE is why they have lost the support of the local populations. US forces in Iraq are doing an excellent job at protecting the population, while Al Queda seems to even target them sometimes and doesn't even care about collateral damage. Quit spouting off nonsense.
- nebion, on 11/20/2007, -0/+1The Rules of Engagement don't favor the bad guys, they favor innocent civilians, which is a good thing.
You're correct that the post you were responding to was nonsense; the official US military RoE are very reasonable. To what extent it's followed or breaches are prosecuted are debatable, but a different issue.
AFAIK The School of Americas represents CIA thinking more than US military thinking. - zombies187, on 11/20/2007, -0/+2Dugg for resenting The Rules of Engagement.
- nebion, on 11/20/2007, -0/+1The Rules of Engagement don't favor the bad guys, they favor innocent civilians, which is a good thing.
- pintomp3, on 11/19/2007, -3/+16it's bad enough we put american lives above the lives of other people, but we put american business interests above the lives of other people too.
- hamobu, on 11/19/2007, -8/+33Kucinich is getting popular.
- zombies187, on 11/19/2007, -2/+21I like him more every day.
- madmonkey300, on 11/19/2007, -6/+4Paul/Kucinich perhaps?
- schlef, on 11/19/2007, -2/+4Uh, they are practically polar opposite other than the war.
- chijim70, on 11/19/2007, -4/+6Wrong completely. They have both said they agree with eachother on most issues and are in fact close real friends and both have said they would consider the other as a running mate. They both have said this on numerous occasions at that.
- oldhick, on 11/19/2007, -3/+4Uh, well if you read their agendas and policies you'd see they disagree on just about everything... How do you compare a socialist to an American libertarian???
- chijim70, on 11/19/2007, -0/+3The way they word it... not me... is that they both believe in most of the same things just diverge on how to get there. You could write into either campaign with that question. I'm sure the results would be interesting.
- wakananda, on 11/19/2007, -1/+4They are both men of reason and decency. They both care more about this Nation and it's People, more than they care about the vicissitudes of their political careers. They both understand that despite their several differences, there is more distance between them and the rabid, slavering thugs who have stolen this nation than there is distance between each other.
- chijim70, on 11/19/2007, -4/+6Wrong completely. They have both said they agree with eachother on most issues and are in fact close real friends and both have said they would consider the other as a running mate. They both have said this on numerous occasions at that.
- schlef, on 11/19/2007, -2/+4Uh, they are practically polar opposite other than the war.
- chesscat, on 11/19/2007, -14/+2Yeah, he's got 5 percent of the vote. Real popular. lol
- slantyeyed, on 11/19/2007, -9/+1yeah, Kucinich has been "getting popular" for the past how many presidential elections? He hasn't won squat.
- zegneverx, on 11/19/2007, -0/+1It's true that he is getting popular. So are other candidates. Let's not be naive though, the whole election system has turned into Hollywood-like popularity contest a long time ago. Majority of the population is lazy and people are unwilling to do any research on the presidential candidates. Although I am convinced nobody can be worse than Bush, it'd be nice for others to turn on their crap-meters to see through the lies of some of the candidates. Personally, I wouldn't want any country to be ruled by the same two families for 28 years in a row. It's just not right.
But I dig(g)ress. From what I've seen, Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul appear to be the most reasonable candidates, even though their political views can be opposite on some of the issues. I really hope people will find time to do some basic research, instead of blindly voting for Hillary, yet I am convinced that elections in US have become the biggest and most important popularity contest in the world. - deepisland, on 11/19/2007, -4/+0With other moonbats he is.
- eagles2k3, on 11/20/2007, -2/+1Are you serious? America's view of Kucinich is that he's a nut.
- zombies187, on 11/19/2007, -6/+28The School of the Americas, now known as WINESAC, is a training ground for terrorists. How to plant bombs, do assassinations and overthrow governments. It does not promote democracy, it promotes business interests. I went one year, and if I wasn't hip deep in advocating for my community, I would go every year. This must end. Not just change the name, not just change the location. We have to fight against this type of activity in this country and abroad.
- objectcode, on 11/19/2007, -0/+8lets label this man because we know our government would never support such a thing. /sarcasm
- pintomp3, on 11/19/2007, -0/+11The SOA has been accused of training members of governments guilty of serious human rights abuses and of advocating techniques that violate accepted international standards, particularly the Geneva Conventions. Graduates of the SOA include men such as Hugo Banzer Suárez, Leopoldo Galtieri, Manuel Noriega, Efraín Ríos Montt, Vladimiro Montesinos, Guillermo Rodríguez,[not in citation given] Omar Torrijos, Roberto Viola, Roberto D'Aubuisson, Victor Escobar and Juan Velasco Alvarado. Because many of its students have been associated with death squads, and coups in Latin American countries, the school's acronym is reparsed by its detractors as the "School of the Assassins".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_In ...
Manuel Noriega, huh? talk about some distinguished alumni. - slantyeyed, on 11/19/2007, -4/+2The cooler school to go to is LIKMYBALLSAC.
- incendiarylvr, on 11/19/2007, -7/+22Dennis is the candidate I'm voting for. And its because of actions like this.
I agree, this school should be closed down immediately. They teach terrorist tactics and mechanisms.- slantyeyed, on 11/19/2007, -7/+1I guess your one chance to vote will be during your state's Democrat primary. He'll never even get a chance to win the nomination.
- wethackrey, on 11/19/2007, -20/+5Yeah, Kucinich is right. Hate spewing Islamic fundamentalists and a fascist hate-spewing, terrorist-sponsoring Ahmadinejad have nothing to do with tensions with Iran. Neither does the fact that Iran not only likely has nuclear weapons, they have repeatedly threatened to use them to wipe both Israel and the United States off the map. Instead, it's all caused by the Western Hemisphere Institute at Fort Benning. And sunspots.
- annonimality, on 11/19/2007, -1/+11Yeah, and Bush was right also. Iraq did have weapons of mass destruction.
- ruley, on 11/19/2007, -1/+8lol, not one person has ever said that Iran has nukes. The quote you are refering to about Israel has been discredited, and the one about America, well that just doesnt exsist.
If you could prove me wrong, i'll donate to your favorite candidate.- wethackrey, on 11/20/2007, -0/+1Get your checkbook ready. Read the Report of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 22 February 2007. Among other things you'll learn that in August of 2003, traces of Highly Enriched Uranium were found at an Iranian Nuclear plant and that the country has had a nuclear weapons program since the time of the Shah. From a US Senate hearing on September 21, 2000 you'll learn that Iran "has a nuclear energy and weapons program which aims to design, develop and, as soon as possible, produce nuclear weapons. The Commission judges that the only issue as to whether or not Iran may soon have or already has a nuclear weapon is the amount of fissile material available to it. . . . If Iran were to accumulate enough fissile material from foreign sources, it might be able to develop a nuclear weapon in only one to three years." That was 7 years ago. Since then Iran has been dealing heavily with North Korea to obtain both Plutonium and ballistic missile technology.
As for the "Wipe Israel off the face of the map" quote, the only two entities to "discredit" it are Aljazeera and Islamic fringe professor Juan Cole at the U of Michigan. In a rally on 2/11/2006 Ahmadinejad said "We ask the West to remove what they created sixty years ago and if they do not listen to our recommendations, then the Palestinian nation and other nations will eventually do this for them," In tis case he used the word "remove" instead of "wipe" He continued... "Do the removal of Israel before it is too late and save yourself from the fury of regional nations," He asked Europe to assign "netral scholars" to investigate "the truth about the fairy tale of Holocaust." Frankly this is not a matter of a single quote Ahmadinejad has been quoted (and broadcast) ***** times saying "Marg bar Esrail"—"Death to Israel". He has been quoted often repeating Ayatollah Khomei's call that "Israel Must Be Completely Destroyed!". He's been quoted saying "With God's help, the countdown button for the destruction of the Zionist regime has been pushed by the hands of the children of Lebanon and Palestine," and "By God's will, we will witness the destruction of this regime in the near future." Which of these quotes do you suppose has been "discredited"?
I've not chosen a candidate yet, by the way, other than to say that it most certaily will not be Kucinch. You can send a donation to Fred Thompson.
- wethackrey, on 11/20/2007, -0/+1Get your checkbook ready. Read the Report of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 22 February 2007. Among other things you'll learn that in August of 2003, traces of Highly Enriched Uranium were found at an Iranian Nuclear plant and that the country has had a nuclear weapons program since the time of the Shah. From a US Senate hearing on September 21, 2000 you'll learn that Iran "has a nuclear energy and weapons program which aims to design, develop and, as soon as possible, produce nuclear weapons. The Commission judges that the only issue as to whether or not Iran may soon have or already has a nuclear weapon is the amount of fissile material available to it. . . . If Iran were to accumulate enough fissile material from foreign sources, it might be able to develop a nuclear weapon in only one to three years." That was 7 years ago. Since then Iran has been dealing heavily with North Korea to obtain both Plutonium and ballistic missile technology.
- TheHydrogens, on 11/19/2007, -1/+10Haha nice! I love how Iran went from "may have nuclear capability in several years" to "likely has nuclear weapons". Pretty soon it will be "Iran has death rays on the moon pointed at each and every American man, woman, and child."
- postingbh, on 11/19/2007, -0/+5According to Fox News, the Iranian death rays are only pointed at Christians in America.
- wethackrey, on 11/20/2007, -0/+1The "may have in several years" conclusion was actually stated as "one to three years" and was originally reached in 1998 and repeated in 2000. "One to three years" has come and gone several times since then. In the intervening years, inspectors have found HEU on Iranian nuclear plants and Ahmadinejad has become cozy with Kim Jong Il. At this point, the smart money puts Iran with a nuclear weapon. Could I be wrong? Sure. There's certainly no concrete proof at this point. But there is certainly a preponderance of evidence... which, to most people, is the point at which a thing becomes "likely". My point, in any case, is that these factors have far more to do with the tensions with Iran than does a war college in Fort Benning. Now if you are of the persuasion that a war college should never exist and is the root of all evil, then I can understand how you might jump to that conclusion. I, in turn, would conclude that both you and Mr. Kucinch are deluding yourselves.
- postingbh, on 11/19/2007, -0/+6"I think Iran is a long way from having anything that could be anything like a nuclear weapon." - Colin Powell, this morning. But surely, "fair and balanced" reporting tells you otherwise.
- wakananda, on 11/19/2007, -0/+3Powell, determined not look like a pathetic tool this time. He's going to have to provide some real opposition to make up for carrying Bush's Iraq lies to the UN however...
- objectcode, on 11/19/2007, -0/+6misquotes are propaganda used to help support another war on Iran. we have been messing with Iran for over half a decade
- delafere, on 11/19/2007, -0/+5For over half a century, you mean.
- objectcode, on 11/19/2007, -0/+3yeah, dont know what i was thinking
- delafere, on 11/19/2007, -0/+5For over half a century, you mean.
- kronix2, on 11/19/2007, -0/+7There isn't even a misquote out there which says Iran wants to wipe the US off the map. Seriously, try harder.
- zombies187, on 11/19/2007, -0/+2There you go! If you misrepresent your opponents, maybe someone will believe you.
- chijim70, on 11/19/2007, -0/+2Wethackrey - a whole nother level,,, of stupid
- chesscat, on 11/19/2007, -21/+6Nobody takes this clown seriously, except for the clowns on digg, apparently. If he was doing as well as some here would have you believe, then why is he polling consistently in the low single digits?
- pintomp3, on 11/19/2007, -1/+12because most people vote based on what the the corporate media tells them, it's the only reason people like hillary and guliani are ahead of kucinich and ron paul. if they actually researched the candidates and voted on the issues, kucinich would win in a landslide:
http://www.dehp.net/candidate/stats.php - RabidAngel, on 11/19/2007, -1/+8I don't recall seeing anyone claim that Kucinich is doing well in general polling. But nice job jumping on an "I'm superior" bandwagon before it's even built.
- chesscat, on 11/19/2007, -12/+0Thank you, yes I do feel superior to this whack job as a matter of fact.
- objectcode, on 11/19/2007, -0/+8chesscat is most defiantly not a clown /sarcasm
- pintomp3, on 11/19/2007, -1/+12because most people vote based on what the the corporate media tells them, it's the only reason people like hillary and guliani are ahead of kucinich and ron paul. if they actually researched the candidates and voted on the issues, kucinich would win in a landslide:
- URnotheonly1, on 11/19/2007, -20/+2pacifist pussy!
- heystoopid, on 11/19/2007, -0/+6Wow a wowser and a wanker combined in one package !
By the way nice pair of blinkers you are wearing though , made by PRADA are they ?- wakananda, on 11/19/2007, -0/+3Don't feed the gorillas.
- heystoopid, on 11/19/2007, -0/+6Wow a wowser and a wanker combined in one package !
- benjpw, on 11/19/2007, -2/+13If you haven't heard of the SOA before do some research. It's sick what they have done in the past.
- ropers, on 11/19/2007, -8/+10I wouldn't call that "school" an Army school. It's a terrorist training camp hosted and paid for by US-America. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHINSEC
- URnotheonly1, on 11/19/2007, -10/+5Speaking for his euro rulers again is he?
- zombies187, on 11/19/2007, -0/+1tinfoil hat.
- mattsw84, on 11/19/2007, -15/+5I am willing to bet he doesn't have a clue what hes talking about but he sure did get all you guys hard. So mission accomplished.
- heystoopid, on 11/19/2007, -1/+4Not a deep thinker are we !
- morningmatters, on 11/19/2007, -2/+12The fact that many Latin dictators have been educated in these military schools in the US reflects the values which are taught at these places. Freedom and Rights are definitely not something which are valued at these schools. This brings up an interesting question: If these schools do not teach their cadets to fight for freedom of their fellow countrymen, what values do these school teach?
- p0s3r, on 11/19/2007, -9/+1Please show proof that "many Latin dictators" were educated at the School of Americas.
- JoeVet, on 11/19/2007, -0/+9Manuel Noriega
Omar Torrijos
Leopoldo Galtieri
Roberto Viola
Juan Velasco Alvarado
Guillermo Rodriguez
Hugo Banzar Suarez
Just to name a few. This doesn't count the numerous members of the Latin American death squads who got their training from us. Why do you think most Latin American dictators are US allies? - Mardala, on 11/20/2007, -0/+3p0s3r's too young to remember what happened in Latin and South American during the 70's and 80's. Look up Pinochet. Look up Iran Contra. Look up the Guatemalan death squads. Look up Noriega. Look up what happened when the Panama Canal was supposed to get handed back to Panama ... the list goes on. There was some scary version of democracy that was going on down there, if you can call it democracy. The US wanted to call it that. It was all about greed. Something the Neocons are trying to do on a much larger basis right now. Wake up p0s3r.
- JoeVet, on 11/19/2007, -0/+9Manuel Noriega
- p0s3r, on 11/19/2007, -9/+1Please show proof that "many Latin dictators" were educated at the School of Americas.
- bingobongony, on 11/19/2007, -14/+5sad to see a man who has lost his sense of reality.
- zombies187, on 11/19/2007, -0/+5yawn. You can do better than that.
- mithrasinvictus, on 11/20/2007, -0/+3No he can't, i've seen his other comments.
- bingobongony, on 11/20/2007, -2/+1Dude...look at your own comments. You are still bringing up the "phony soliders" bitchfest. Proof that you don't give ***** about facts as long as your can whine like the little bitch that your mommy raised you to be. (Or is still raising you to be.)
You also thought you were going to win a deabte with me by saying that hydrogen for fuel cell cars could easily be generated with solar or wind energy. And when I THOROUGHLY schooled you and proved how ignorant you are, you just slunk away.- mithrasinvictus, on 11/20/2007, -0/+21 i never accused oreilly of dissing the troops, i used the phrase in the same way he did himself.
2 i was right on hydrogen, and i did reply to point out your mistake. - mithrasinvictus, on 11/20/2007, -0/+2I checked the hydrogen question and it turns out i responded to another inane comment. Someone else responded to your nonsense well enough that i had nothing to add.
- mithrasinvictus, on 11/20/2007, -0/+21 i never accused oreilly of dissing the troops, i used the phrase in the same way he did himself.
- bingobongony, on 11/20/2007, -2/+1Dude...look at your own comments. You are still bringing up the "phony soliders" bitchfest. Proof that you don't give ***** about facts as long as your can whine like the little bitch that your mommy raised you to be. (Or is still raising you to be.)
- bingobongony, on 11/20/2007, -1/+1Truth is good enough.
- mithrasinvictus, on 11/20/2007, -0/+3No he can't, i've seen his other comments.
- zombies187, on 11/19/2007, -0/+5yawn. You can do better than that.
- rockdawg, on 11/19/2007, -8/+3I disagree that a Military School is raising cold blooded brainless killing machines. Sounds like a nice school with its array of education. However, I don't believe that they should be held responsible fore graduates actions made out of their own free will and thought (Especialy outside of the school.).
- heystoopid, on 11/19/2007, -0/+4but then again ,who brainwashed all those lethal ideas and evil concepts of killing the innocent uneducated repressed peons or under paid slaves to the US Business Inc. to save them from the evils of true democracy and freedom to express any political thought or idea without fear or repression into their heads in the first place ?
- wakananda, on 11/19/2007, -0/+4Watch "The Revolution will not be televised" to see the connection you're missing.
- BECoole, on 11/19/2007, -8/+2Learning how to be secure is bad, M'K. Security is worse, M'K. Not allowing anarchists and commies to plunge countries into chaos is bad, M'K.
- wakananda, on 11/19/2007, -2/+3Chaos? You mean interference in US control of their country? Refusing to plant fruit crops for export in place of beans, to prevent the starvation of their people? THAT kind of chaos? People walking down the street without fear that the secret police will abduct and torture them? THAT kind of "chaos?" Do you feel secure when doctors, nurses, engineers, teachers and others who want to serve and protect their communities from this abuse are shot and buried in shallow graves in the dead of night? Because by definition, anyone that opposes your thuggery in the service of globalist profits is an "anarchist" or a "commie." Sorry, moron. It's not 1975. The internet is here to stay. Anyone who wants to can run down the ***** little game you're playing. The skeletons are coming out of the closet - and they are not coming for Halloween candy...
- Jamihabs, on 11/19/2007, -9/+3Denis Kucinich is great! He helps to show moderate Americans how dangerously retarded the left can be, and often is. Sean Penn, Code Pink and the Truthers are a big help too.
- zombies187, on 11/19/2007, -0/+2I'm surprised you didn't mention Bin Laden.
- wakananda, on 11/19/2007, -0/+3Yeah, Sean Penn...did you see him in "When the levee breaks," helping save the lives of those stranded people in New Orleans with his rented boat, when not even the cops would take their boats in there? When FEMA was too busy gun-grabbing and keeping deliveries of ice and food out of the area to help anyone? He even jumped into the sewage- and chemical-contaminated water to save a drowning old lady. What a fool, eh? Is that "retarded," or what? He ought to look in the mirror, right?
- zombies187, on 11/20/2007, -0/+2added as a friend.
- Electrokel, on 11/19/2007, -6/+4Yes, some School of the Americas graduates did terrible things afterwards, but that does not mean that the Western Hemisphere Institute is going to do the same thing. If you look at Latin America today, there are a lot less brutal right-wing dictatorships than there used to be. Now that the Cold War is over the U.S. has thankfully gotten a lot better with their Latin American Foreign policy and the types of countries they support. So the school these days is not just going to teach how to kill, they teach things like proper civil-military relations and respect for the limits democracy puts on a military. As a component of the U.S.'s Cold War policy in Latin America, the School of the Americas graduated some very bad leaders and soldiers. But today that is not what is happening and I think that Kucinch is wrong on this point.
- zombies187, on 11/19/2007, -1/+2Very nicely said. However there is no reason to think it has gotten any better. In fact, our friendship with Saudi and Pakistan could lead to a new generation of mujaheddin. There is no reason to think the Pentagon wouldn't go so far.
- Electrokel, on 11/20/2007, -0/+0Regardless of what goes on in the Middle East, this school isn't training Middle Easterners so in the case of this school U.S. policy in the Middle East is irrelevant.
- zombies187, on 11/20/2007, -0/+2This school, the school behind it or the school that no one is responsible for. It doesn't matter. This is the school of meddling, and we don't need it or any other school like it. It has yet to work to our advantage to help anyone overthrow anything.
- Electrokel, on 11/20/2007, -0/+0Regardless of what goes on in the Middle East, this school isn't training Middle Easterners so in the case of this school U.S. policy in the Middle East is irrelevant.
- wakananda, on 11/20/2007, -1/+3There are "a lot less brutal right-wing dictatorships than there used to be" because the US exhausted any moral capital it had there by funding and training brutal dictaorships. In so doing, the US played into the hands of the far left, socialist politicians there - like Chavez. Without our legacy of murder, rape, torture and wealth extraction - OUR. United States legacy - people like Chavez would have nothing to stand on. Now we're repeating the same strategic error in the Middle East, doing more to spur the growth of an Islamic Caliphate more than any mullah could ever do. Corporations are like junkies, who don't want to get a job and build a career by getting along with people and developing good qualities - they want next quarter profits, a quick fix, growth, the drug of profit in their veins, NOW. The Americas were SQUEEZED, and by god, the people felt it, and remembered, and adapted. We're "kicking their ass and taking their gas" in the ME now, and the tragedy is not that we are going to pay the devil for it - our children, and their children will.
- Electrokel, on 11/20/2007, -1/+0Whoops, you're missing a step there - the 90s. Actually the first reaction to the right-wing authoritarians in most of the countries was democracy and a move towards free market economic policies, trying to emulate the successes of places like South Korea and Taiwan. Chavez and the other leftist leaders in Latin America gain most of their support from the people's reaction to these free-market policies of the the 1990s, which didn't immediately alleviate the poverty of many people across the region. In fact, guess what Hugo Chavez did for a living before becoming President of Venezuela - that's right, he was in the military! Hardly makes sense that the people would choose a military man to replace a military regime. The source of support for socialist politicians has more behind it than what you seem to imply.
- zombies187, on 11/19/2007, -1/+2Very nicely said. However there is no reason to think it has gotten any better. In fact, our friendship with Saudi and Pakistan could lead to a new generation of mujaheddin. There is no reason to think the Pentagon wouldn't go so far.
- Roger_Ramjet, on 11/19/2007, -10/+2There is no limit to the STUPID things this guy can say. And some people want him to be president? Talk about a nightmare waiting to happen.
- wakananda, on 11/20/2007, -0/+4We're well into the nightmare, Roger. This guy is trying to wake us up.
- acudoc, on 11/19/2007, -0/+7Where in the Constitution is provision made to train foreign armies? Another example of how the military-industrial-congressional complex doesn't give a ***** about the supreme law of the land. I salute you, Dennis Kucinich, for highlighting this training facility, which has caused so much suffering to the people of Central and South America, courtesy of the unconstitutional American Empire and its state-loving politicians.
- Bamont, on 11/19/2007, -7/+2Kucinch will never be elected President. Ron Paul has a much stronger following than this wanna-be Democrat who does what most other politicians do: He says what he thinks you want to hear. He knows there is a radical following on both the internet and in certain sects of this country - so he makes asinine statements that idiots like the radicals here on Digg will follow. You want to know about Kucinich's voting record?
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/member ...
Look at how often he votes with the GOP, or how many times he's failed to vote for assisting pollution control, giving money to children's healthcare. This man is for himself, and represents a small minority of idiots on Digg that think someone is God's gift because they openly talk about how much they dislike Bush and want to impeach Cheney. Tell me - with the polls in their current state about people thinking Cheney should be impeached - don't you think it would be wise to go forward with proceedings? Yes - all of us who think on our own are the sheep - and those of you that follow a politician whose wife is half his age and a foot taller than him (she didn't marry him for the money!) are the real independent thinkers.- Deanblackoak, on 11/20/2007, -2/+2Ahhh... name calling... always a sign of intelligence and independent thought. Oh... and your link doesn't work. Another sign of intelligence. Bravo!
- Bamont, on 11/20/2007, -1/+2The fact that it has to be pointed out is indicative that most of you don't research before you start praising what someone does. If as much research (false or otherwise) was put into any yahoo that comes along and claims they hate Bush and want to Impeach Cheney - as it was to the GOP and this Administration - most of those here would notice that Kucinich continuously votes the way he's lobbied. I figured the young, attractive wife and the millions he has in the bank was a dead giveaway. Guess that only goes for Republicans, not Democrats. Now, go away. I'm sure there's some off-the-wall candidate somewhere holding a rally in front of 50 people talking about how the military industrial complex is trying to take over your microwave. Sounds like its right up your alley.
- Deanblackoak, on 11/20/2007, -1/+1No praise here... did you happen to read the comment.
- Bamont, on 11/20/2007, -1/+2The fact that it has to be pointed out is indicative that most of you don't research before you start praising what someone does. If as much research (false or otherwise) was put into any yahoo that comes along and claims they hate Bush and want to Impeach Cheney - as it was to the GOP and this Administration - most of those here would notice that Kucinich continuously votes the way he's lobbied. I figured the young, attractive wife and the millions he has in the bank was a dead giveaway. Guess that only goes for Republicans, not Democrats. Now, go away. I'm sure there's some off-the-wall candidate somewhere holding a rally in front of 50 people talking about how the military industrial complex is trying to take over your microwave. Sounds like its right up your alley.
- Deanblackoak, on 11/20/2007, -2/+2Ahhh... name calling... always a sign of intelligence and independent thought. Oh... and your link doesn't work. Another sign of intelligence. Bravo!
- palindrome12, on 11/19/2007, -6/+1I think the aliens who gave Kucinich an anal probe took over his body. I guess aliens in outerspace are leftists too.
- SOS84, on 11/20/2007, -1/+3Then why the hell is the 56th Stryker Brigade of the PA Army National Guard being instructed (by US Army instructors made up of Iraq veterans with combat experience) that a house or village becomes a free fire zone once fired upon? Why is that?
- ro4ers, on 11/20/2007, -0/+1Don't touch the Ranger school!
- Colby76, on 11/21/2007, -0/+0Here is the Best video on the SOAWatch Event
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-cYaAIxSBiI- taureandevi, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Thanks for the link!
- taureandevi, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Thanks for the link!
- taureandevi, on 11/21/2007, -0/+1Dennis Kucinich stands for the common Wo|Man. We are the only special interest group he has been tied to for more than 30 years of public service. My family and I had the greatest experience meeting him at an unpublicized townhall meeting at UNLV the day after the debates. This is a leader of calculated foresight. This is a leader who takes his job as our servant very seriously, by reading the bills put before him to vote on.
If you are tired of corporate conglomerate media choosing your candidate for you. Vote Kucinich.
If you are tired of unfair trade policies that diminish the safety of our goods and food. Vote Kucinich.
If you are tired of American soldiers dieing for an illegal war. If you recognize that the millions of dead Iraqis are the same as your family. Vote Kucinich.
Do whatever you can and then DO MORE.
dennis4president.com
Give $100 on December 15th to manifest a Kucinich administration. Together we can do this! http://december152007.com/ - CharlesD051, on 12/05/2007, -0/+0Kucinich can bring some real change to this country.
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