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Infighting rains on McCain's party; Ron Paul Insurgency
boston.com — Senator John McCain is sailing toward his coronation as the Republican presidential nominee while the Democratic candidates battle fiercely. But Republicans also are engaged in some tough infighting that could disrupt the national convention and make it more difficult for him to unite the party in the fall.
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- StingingNettle, on 05/09/2008, -1/+22I was a delegate for WA, until the state GOP said they couldn't verify me. ??? They never stated what specifically was the problem. Unfortunately I had to many unexpected things that cropped up to deal with so I had not time to push the issue at the time.
- 2bsbc, on 05/10/2008, -1/+6Same thing happened to me in CO.
- Todash19, on 05/09/2008, -2/+20I also was a Washington state delegate, for Clark County. Alas, I wont be going to the state convention, no time. But we did elect 73 out of 87 delegates for Ron Paul to the state convention.
Spokane County was Similar.
Ron Paul's name is going to be put up for nomination at the RNC. It only
takes a majority of the delegations from as few as five states supporting a
Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate, to force a floor vote on that
candidate.- ncairns, on 05/10/2008, -11/+3In other words, your explicit goal is to undermine the will of the *vast* majority of Republican voters to satisfy your own ideology?
Gee, and I thought the neo-cons were the ones who hated freedom and liberty.- DeviantDragon, on 05/10/2008, -2/+9Yeah, but one could easily criticize the Republican primary process with its winner-take-all system as proof that it isn't a vast majority that supported McCain and only necessary majorities in certain states. Add that to the fact that McCain is the presumptive nominee before many states had the chance to vote and one can't really say exactly how much of a majority he has within the party. Furthermore, they wouldn't be imposing their ideology at the convention. They're simply giving their ideology a chance to be voted on which seems quite fair to me.
- ncairns, on 05/10/2008, -9/+3Yes, one *could* argue that - if they were desperately trying to rationalize something they knew was wrong, and which completely undermined the principles they pretended to have. Let's take a look at the current popular vote count. The numbers I have put McCain at 8,728,982 votes total to Paul's 997,665. In other words, for every one person who voted for Paul, about nine vote for McCain. That seems pretty overwhelming to me. Moreover, if we further expand the scope of our data to include all the candidates, both Huckabee (at 4,112,267 votes) and Romney (at 4,551,111 votes) hold huge margins over Paul's vote total - and they dropped out some time ago. In fact, McCain, Romney and Huckabee combined make up almost 90% of ALL votes in Republican contests (19,482,263) and even independently account for ~44%, ~23%, and ~21%, respectively.
Ron Paul? About 5%.
It seems to me that if the Paulies really cared about the will of "WE THE PEOPLE!!!!" as they so frequently, so incontinently claim to, they'd be supporting giving Romney and Huckabee another shot at the nomination before Paul. This is a cheap attempt to subvert the democratic process, and a laughably bad one at that. They do not care in the least about democracy or the will of the people - all they care about is feeling special, and the best way to do that is by convincing themselves they're relevant.
It's a bloody cult. - ncairns, on 05/11/2008, -2/+3Yep - no response, dugg down.
Standard cult-mentality preservation tactics.
- ncairns, on 05/10/2008, -9/+3Yes, one *could* argue that - if they were desperately trying to rationalize something they knew was wrong, and which completely undermined the principles they pretended to have. Let's take a look at the current popular vote count. The numbers I have put McCain at 8,728,982 votes total to Paul's 997,665. In other words, for every one person who voted for Paul, about nine vote for McCain. That seems pretty overwhelming to me. Moreover, if we further expand the scope of our data to include all the candidates, both Huckabee (at 4,112,267 votes) and Romney (at 4,551,111 votes) hold huge margins over Paul's vote total - and they dropped out some time ago. In fact, McCain, Romney and Huckabee combined make up almost 90% of ALL votes in Republican contests (19,482,263) and even independently account for ~44%, ~23%, and ~21%, respectively.
- DeviantDragon, on 05/10/2008, -2/+9Yeah, but one could easily criticize the Republican primary process with its winner-take-all system as proof that it isn't a vast majority that supported McCain and only necessary majorities in certain states. Add that to the fact that McCain is the presumptive nominee before many states had the chance to vote and one can't really say exactly how much of a majority he has within the party. Furthermore, they wouldn't be imposing their ideology at the convention. They're simply giving their ideology a chance to be voted on which seems quite fair to me.
- ncairns, on 05/10/2008, -11/+3In other words, your explicit goal is to undermine the will of the *vast* majority of Republican voters to satisfy your own ideology?
- munleymun, on 05/10/2008, -10/+3Man, I thought this Ron Paul stuff was over with.
- NyteStarNyne, on 05/10/2008, -0/+11Remember Ron Paul digg? He was your old pal... you know, before that other guy.
- zephyear, on 05/10/2008, -4/+2oh ron paul, if you ***** up mccains chances in november even moreso then they already are
i'm sorry i said those bad things about you you glorious bastard - Rotzooi, on 05/10/2008, -0/+7Ron Paul is pretty much the only true Republican left. I hope he destroys the GOP as it is now and rebuilds it into a decent party.
- OisinT, on 05/10/2008, -0/+6Yeah... I loved when Jon Stewart called McCain out on that "party of Lincoln" thing he said last week.
In case you didn't see it basically McCain was all proud of being the nominee of the "great party of lincoln [etc]" and Jon Stewart basically said that this republican party was nothing like the party of Lincoln.- USNavyBlue, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3The Lincoln Party was RED from the start. Lincoln is a war criminal!!!!!!!!!!!!
- OisinT, on 05/10/2008, -0/+6Yeah... I loved when Jon Stewart called McCain out on that "party of Lincoln" thing he said last week.
- evilcaptain, on 05/10/2008, -0/+6Abolishing the Federal reserve is actually a very sensible thing to do.. like nearly all Ron Paul's aims.
Bite the bullet, lets give Ron Paul 4 years. He can't do worse than the last 50 years! - USNavyBlue, on 05/11/2008, -0/+5What the hell have we the people got to loose at this point? America is on the brink of bankruptcy, any day now we will see an economic crash worse the banker induced one in the 30's!
In addition too, the NWO advancing at a rapid pace, marital law, the deliberate unarming of we the people since the 1930's, endless no win wars in the Middle East that have nothing to with the USA, but a tiny little country half the size of Texas that is a big thorn in every ones side that can more than defend itself, the out right stealing of our tax money to be given to greedy corrupt foreign countries while our people starve, the UN-Patriotic Act I and now II is on the way, innocent Americans being jailed on trumped up false charges while the criminals go free (sounds like the USSR doesn't it? That is where we are headed), espionage from dual citizens, endless illegal aliens flood our borders daily to oppress we the people (yes - this is deliberate, take a look at the USSR's history, they did the same thing)
Homeland Security which is nothing more than Gestapo for we the people, warrant-less wiretapping and ease dropping, the maiming of our military for someone eles war, the corrupt UN and possible global taxes to be paid by we the people. Really, the list is really endless at this point.
For what? It is of no benefit but rather a severe consequence to America's Security and the life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness by we the people!
Hell we the people have everything to gain in my opinion. - LumpyRevolution, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1www.revolutionmarch.com people! Get off your buns! This is gonna be freakin' huge!
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