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youtube.com — At the Texas debate, Hillary Clinton uses some inspirational lines she heard during a previous election. If Obama's 'lifted' lines were plagiarism, then isn't this?

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  • gwayo, on 02/22/2008, -0/+69WHOA! This is crazy...she totally 'borrowed' from him, and the pundits were saying that this was her best line!!!!
    • jforjools, on 02/22/2008, -0/+11Yeah, the irony is layers and layers on this one. The best part is that everyone warmed up to over this very sincere sounding line. ...The pundits were all saying it was, for her, the highlight of the night. One of them remembered it was Bill's line--but they didn't say too much about it. Made me run to youtube..and then here to digg.

      I'm not an HRC hater. A month ago I thought I was going to be voting for her in the general election (even though I didn't in my MN caucus.) But after watching the demise of her campaign (via failed strategies, failed finances, and a omplete lack of foresight), I now would not vote for her in the general. She's proven to me that she can't run a country.
      • aliengoods, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2Olbermann on MSNBC did catch it within a half hour of the debates conclusion. I don't remember if CNN said anything about it (I was mostly fast forwarding with Tivo), and I refuse to watch Fox News. Also, MSNBC noted the other part of her closing she stole from John Edwards (it was from Edwards during the Dec. 13th debate).
        • trvr, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1Ya, I think KO credited Politico.com repeatedly with actually digging it up.
    • gambl0r, on 02/22/2008, -0/+6Now who's xeroxing ideas?
    • sotopheavy, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1 Hillary 4chan nels Bill?
    • deanlowe, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1New ideas in politics are few and far in between, so the rehash of old themes is just politics as usual. Her theme is "Experience" so she wants to improve "old politics". His theme is "Change" which means forging ahead and don't look back, old politics is dead. Her campaign thinks that if he's running on "new politics" then he shouldn't use tactics from old politics. When you say you want to change the political landscape then you shouldn't do what you're railing against.
      Obviously you guys aren't buying it.
    • rpgmaker, on 02/22/2008, -2/+1Well, they're husband and wife, what's his is hers and the other way around ;)
      • nirav72, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1So lets say hypothetically - she wins the general election in november. By your logic, will Bill run the country as the president? Just using your logic there.
        • deanlowe, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1Marriage is supposed to be 50/50, right?
          So Hillary takes the north and Bill takes the south or maybe a east/west split.
      • mcosmi, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1so i guess they should be both thrown in jail for all the crimes that were committed during Bill's presidency? (selling pardons etc) Who the ***** can sell pardons and get away with it, and no one even speaks about all the scandals...and then this ***** thinks she can run for president? I don't know which is scarier, the fact that they get away with being the most corrupt couple in washington history, or the fact that some people will actually vote for her. Makes me fear for this country that we have people this stupid voting.
    • jemka, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1Reminds me of any time someone tries to recite a stand up routine or a line from a movie. Never nearly as effective.
  • jshayne, on 02/22/2008, -2/+34Two in one night! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/21/215237/190 ...
  • mugicha, on 02/22/2008, -4/+67Yeah, Bill took some serious hits back in the day. Hits from the Bong!
    • exomni, on 02/22/2008, -1/+5Ah, but he didn't inhale, see?
    • zephyr42, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1if it's a bong.... there's nothing but inhale
    • SweetJones, on 02/22/2008, -0/+0But that's nothing compared to the hits the people of this country take every day....from the bong!
  • joesmosax, on 02/22/2008, -4/+15gobama
    • Herv3, on 02/22/2008, -3/+4barrack obamarama
    • streak, on 02/22/2008, -3/+1Show me the change.
      • Mejari, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2well, it's kind of hard for him to do that without being president, but with the power he has now he's instituted a *****-load of change, so his record speaks to his ability to do what he says he can do.
        • streak, on 02/22/2008, -2/+1what change? what record? you mean his 18-month withdrawal plan that would have had our troops out of Iraq by next month? pfft.
          you'll likely see Obama is really no different than others once he starts making his political appointments.
          is this your first election?
  • rouzier, on 02/22/2008, -1/+8She is funny it like the pot calling the kettle black (pun intended) seriously I the Obama camp use this one against her
    • spekulyst, on 02/22/2008, -0/+4dont worry...he doesnt need to because the internet and television news will do it for him...
      • Coffeedemon, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1Unfortunately most of the people who need to hear this will not be on the Internet getting their information - they'll be watching the debates or the TV news.
    • exomni, on 02/22/2008, -0/+5Obama would never do something as low, stupid, ignorant, and divisive as trying to make an issue of some borrowed words. Only HRC is pathetic enough to do that.

      What I do hope is that all those media outlets that tried to make a big deal out of this (it was given as much time in the debate as REAL issues like Health Care and Iraq!) are just and fair and hammer Hillary on this as much as they did Obama.
      • streak, on 02/22/2008, -2/+1Obama cribbed a line because it sounded good, rather than for what it actually said and said about his own character: "I don't ask you to take a chance on me. I ask you to take a chance on your own aspirations." In other words, "If I fail as a leader, blame yourself." Very inspirational!
        • Mejari, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1Actually, he used a line given to him because it was a powerful response to the attacks by Hillary et al. that he was 'just words' He didn't say it just to sound good, but it sure did sound good, didn't it? Since when did eloquence and other good speaking skills become bad things? Oh, right, since the last 7 years of nucular and 'is our children learning?'
          He's not preparing to lay blame on us, he's asking us to give him a chance. I have no doubt that if he were to fail (I don't think he would, but I'll admit it's definitely a possibility) he would take the blame that was due him. Not any more than that, he's not a scapegoat, but from what I've seen of him he'll take responsibility for his actions. All he wants is the chance to help us all achieve the America we want, not just to put up with the America we have.
          • streak, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1No, Obama clarified in his statement that he's NOT asking us to take a chance on him.
    • thejude, on 02/22/2008, -0/+3I don't think he will use this against her. It's petty and hopefully he has a little more class than that.
    • streak, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1At least Hillary had the sense not to use this one: "For the first time in my adult life, I'm really proud of my country, and not just because of the success of Barack, but mostly because of that actually. I don't know what I'll do with myself and my friends in the Whitehouse."
  • Deodrus, on 02/22/2008, -0/+50I believe there's a word that exists to define her in this situation.

    Oh hold on, I got it.

    HYPOCRITE.
    • RonBurgundy76, on 02/22/2008, -0/+8That's a better word than the one I thought of... it had only 4 letters.
      • RonBurgundy76, on 02/22/2008, -0/+7I just thought of another one that has 5! Progress!
    • aboutlogin, on 02/23/2008, -1/+1not so fast. if she knew her husband said this line (and given that it's not an obscure line), even after what they did to obama and how the media and public reacted, why do you think she said it anyway?
  • Eiknujrac, on 02/22/2008, -2/+27Again, typical politics, and the reason I'm voting for Obama.
    • sphigel, on 02/22/2008, -2/+3Apparently Obama is somehow above typical politics? You may be sorely disappointed.
    • mcosmi, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1prediction...Mccain is our next president. Hate all you want...its just the way its gonna be. I want Ron Paul, but the media has squashed him and theres no chance.
    • FearLess77, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1Obama ABOVE typical politics? Who are you kidding.
      The mainstream democrat candidates don't differ much from REPUBLICANS!
      RPaul was really the best choice for this nation, and if not him, Gravel
  • mrhaines, on 02/22/2008, -1/+16Man and she didn't even give the original speaker the credit he deserves!!! If words are to mean anything they should at least be your own words!
    • soot, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2Her whole argument against Obama was that he was supposedly "lifting" (see: stealing) Governor Patrick's lines and crediting them for his own (Despite his explaining repeatedly that Patrick suggested he use them in his speeches, and that he credited him publicly on at least a few occasions). She obviously took this line from her husband.

      This is just beyond silly. The whole thing is a ***** argument to be having. Its distracting. But if she's going to spin it up to be something so serious and she's found guilty of the same kind of ***** she's flinging at her opponent, she should be held accountable, too.
  • CLeeRI, on 02/22/2008, -0/+10This just reinforces why I'm voting for Sen. Obama. If she is the experienced leader how come she can't come up with an original thought? It just demonstrates how closely tied she and Bill are and once again calls into question just who we would be getting if you voted for HRC.
    • noahhoward, on 02/22/2008, -0/+4The more I think about it the more I feel this is just a loophole so bill can have 8 more years. There is nothing about this woman at all that marks her as a leader of any caliber.
    • Harelin, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2This is the same argument that Hillary used against Obama, though. It's not about coming up with original thoughts or citing your source... Hillary pulled the plagiarism card on Obama, and then continues to go around doing just what she claimed was unethical. It's about her being a hypocrite. We wouldn't even be talking about it if she hadn't opened herself up to the attack by instigating the plagiarism claims in the first place.
  • valimar77, on 02/22/2008, -0/+7Great submission.
  • dnice04, on 02/22/2008, -0/+10Barack was right, silly season is in full swing over at camp Clinton! I am sure spin master Mark Penn will justify it in some perverted way.
  • coppyrightmind, on 02/22/2008, -0/+35Bill did it better.
    • Morphinity, on 02/22/2008, -0/+3Regardless of how you feel about his politics, Bill Clinton was a great orator. His speeches were always interesting and there he was ready for anything the press threw at him.
      • lintmonkey, on 02/22/2008, -0/+7Especially when he was teaching Monica how to be a great orator.
  • exomni, on 02/22/2008, -0/+6I hope the media picks this up and hammers her with this.

    It would be inexcusable if they gave Obama's "plagiarism" all that air time and exposure and didn't do the same for Hillary.
  • Beson669, on 02/22/2008, -2/+3Hillary channels Bill? This is news? I thought this was just the continued-state-of-affairs in the Clinton camp, not an isolated incident
  • stephenjames716, on 02/22/2008, -1/+4I knew I couldn't stand her for some reason (aside from her voice when she is yelling)
  • OregonTrail, on 02/22/2008, -1/+16Why should the same TWO families rule the United States for 24 years?

    We need new ideas in this country!
    • Enfenestrate, on 02/22/2008, -0/+3Chelsea in '16?
    • lewhich, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2Who knows Jeb Bush might even make a come back in '12. That is why McCain is the fall guy for 08. Remember how the Clintons didn't help John Kerry in 04, that was because they wanted Hilary to run in 08
    • Fixthemedia, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1Why should non issue politics be on your mind?

      We need new ideas in this country.
    • clickmyface, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1Your implication is that Bush Sr. and Jr. have the same ideas. Bush Sr. has showed many signs of being unhappy with his sons decisions and they were very different presidents.

      If the roles were reversed, Clinton was leading and getting a pass in the media, the Obama campaign would be doing the same thing. Its the way politics work in America. He's not doing anything to change that. The system is broken. Just because you think you've found your guy doesnt mean the system has changed.
  • skippyrandom, on 02/22/2008, -1/+2Meh, not surprised, as always.
  • skinkaid, on 02/22/2008, -0/+15Ready to Xerox from day one!
  • scmik1999, on 02/22/2008, -0/+4looks like Hillary is drinking the Xerox kool-aid also
  • pseudologue, on 02/22/2008, -0/+4This is OF COURSE ridiculous and a non-issue but this is what happens when one chooses ridiculousness as a main point of attack, it'll come back to haunt you over and over and over again. In order for the plagiarism shtick to stick, she would have had to make sure that all the things that come out of her mouth has never been said before EVER. Quite frankly, it's stupid, but you reap what you sow.
  • MadMax3000, on 02/22/2008, -1/+3It seems like she's XEROXING too.
  • ccL1, on 02/22/2008, -1/+7For those of you saying Obama should use this against Clinton, NO! I don't want this to turn into a school-yard brawl. I think Obama should stay above the fray. As could be seen from the debate yesterday, people were annoyed when Clinton mentioned the plagiarism issue. The people just don't want to hear about negative stuff like that anymore.
  • ProjectGSX, on 02/22/2008, -1/+6Wow, her speech was influenced by her husband. There's a shocker. Almost as outrageous as being influenced by a good friend.

    This entire topic is stupid and needs to die. I dont know what Clinton was thinking when her campaign went in this direction.

    Grasping at straws, I guess.
  • jimfin25, on 02/22/2008, -0/+3Defense to the allegation of her "borrowing" would be that she was part of bills team.
  • RonBurgundy76, on 02/22/2008, -0/+8Looks like her speech writers used Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V without telling her first.
    • elint6, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2Nah, Al Gore was running with Clinton back then -- they'd be using Macs to write speeches.
  • gianttoolbox11, on 02/22/2008, -3/+8Bitch.
    • bedouin, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1You said what everyone was thinking.

      By the way, how do you rate a YouTube video like this? Give it 4 or 5 stars to give thanks to whoever posted it, or 1 star because you can't stand her?
  • Nanite, on 02/22/2008, -0/+8Hillary made a bad move by pressing this issue, now she has others looking through HER speeches with a fine-tooth-comb looking for phrases and passages that she herself has lifted from others. All told, it just makes her look like a hypocrite.
  • soot, on 02/22/2008, -1/+3Pot, meet kettle.
  • kernel16, on 02/22/2008, -1/+3Sweet sweet hypocrisy, also wasn't that her 'best' line according to pundits? I though it was cliche as hell though... I mean sure people go trough worst things than you, but did you really have to pull the wounded soldier card? Just seems like that "eat your X, kids in Africa are starving," argument.
    • soot, on 02/22/2008, -0/+3After arguing the legitimacy of words, and saying that they don't matter, then they do, I find it hilarious that her best-received deliverance of the night was totally void of any hard policy or substantive meat, and instead was filled with nothing but the same kind of "floaty, empty rhetoric" that she claims to detest.
  • mattmollysdad, on 02/22/2008, -1/+3cut and paste...cut and paste... change the order of a few words and presto it's yours.
  • btraxx, on 02/22/2008, -1/+4Oddly enough they have the same size penis as well.
  • lewhich, on 02/22/2008, -0/+3Is this bitch senile? I mean, does she think nobody will notice it or is it that she has been lifting stuff from other people for so long that she can't handle it anymore?
  • 800266622, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2I imagine they engage in a lot of political discussion. Is it really surprising they would share the same opinion? (makes me think its not plagiarism/whatever--though it would be very ironic! Was at the debate last night! Xerox! ha!)

    And I already voted for Obama, I am not a Hillary supporter.
    • Mejari, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1They can share the same opinion, but using the exact same words as bill after getting all pissed about the exact same thing from Barack not more than 20 minutes before is the height of hypocrisy. Plus it doesn't do anything to dispel the notion that it's Billary, not Hillary, running for president. I don't think it's plagiarism by anyone's definition but her own, but still, following that she shouldn't be doing it,or she should apologize for attacking Barack on something so stupid. Either one works for me.
  • Jaxtheripper, on 02/22/2008, -3/+2I'm not a pro hillary supporter but why would we mock her for using an idea that her husband used if her husband clearly helps her with her campaign? cant we find something better to make fun of her for?
  • pedo, on 02/22/2008, -0/+7she asked for this...
  • Marcus56, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2Oops, Hillary looks like an *****.
    I just sent the link to the video to CNN, probably won't do much but what the hell maybe they'll look into it.
    • jm4847, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1CNN? As in Clinton News Network? I doubt it...
  • Jordan117, on 02/22/2008, -2/+1Obama's "plagiarism" was OK because he got it from a campaign advisor and friend who asked him to use it. So how is it worse for Hillary to get a line from her own husband? I understand that her hypocrisy is bad, but no one should be criticizing her for the "plagiarism" alone.
    • Mejari, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1It's worse because she was the one who defined plagiarism as saying anything any other politician has said, then goes and lifts straight from her hubby. No one would give a ***** if she hadn't made a stink about Obama's 'just words' speech.
      • Jordan117, on 02/23/2008, -1/+1Um... hello? That's exactly what I said. "I understand that her hypocrisy is bad, but no one should be criticizing her for the 'plagiarism' alone." Meaning, feel free to mock her for being a hypocrite, but don't attack her solely because she plagiarized.
  • RRJackson, on 02/22/2008, -8/+2Obama's Politics of Collective Redemption
    By Kyle-Anne Shiver

    "Wherever politics tries to be redemptive, it is promising too much. Where it wishes to do the work of God, it becomes not divine, but demonic." Pope Benedict XVI

    A messianic fever grips a segment of the American populace and media. A great leader seems to them poised to redeem our collective sins and change nearly everything, bringing about a new era in which permanent solutions are found to age-old conditions.

    Whenever I watch Barack Obama, listen to his eloquent but nonspecific oratory, and see the near-swooning young people who invariably follow him wherever he goes, I cannot help but think of the pied piper and wonder toward what destination he is marching our youth. pied piper of ChicagoObama is having this pied-piper effect not only on kids, but also on a large swath of Democrat and not a few independents and Republican voters, too.

    Call me skeptical, but this whole Obama phenomenon seems downright eerie.

    Over and over again, Obama invokes his double mantra: "It's time for change!" and "Yes, we can!"

    Singer Wil.i.am's (Yes, that's right; it's Wil I Am.) YouTube "Yes, we can!" video has already had over 2 million hits, and it has a hypnotic quality reminiscent of eastern religious meditations. I urge every American still capable of thinking for himself to take a serious look at this video.

    Then, consider these numbers on recent Google searches using only Obama's name plus one other word:

    * Obama + messianic 75,200
    * Obama + savior 226,000
    * Obama + prophet 312,000
    * Obama + Christ 504,000
    * Obama + change 4,540,000


    A number of internet postings indicate that a great many see Obama in not only political terms, but also wrapped in the untarnished cloak of some vague spiritual-awakening.

    It is quite tempting to assume that Barack Obama simply is harvesting the inevitable fruits of 35 years of dumbed-down, political indoctrination in the guise of education in this country. This is dangerous. The problem goes deeper, right into the human soul.

    A lust for transformation is a common feature of revolutionaries, and when they succeed in grabbing power, the results usually are brutal. Less than a century ago, massive numbers of people fell for a different political messiah on the European continent, and they were products of an education system and cultural establishment widely regarded as a world leader.

    That place was, of course, Germany. And the political messiah promoting "change" was Adolph Hitler.

    Hitler's slogan: "Alles muss anders sein!" ("Everything must be different!")

    Hitler used each of these phrases to describe his own political program:

    "A declaration of war against the order of things which exist, against the state of things which exist, in a word, against the structure of the world which presently exists."

    "revolutionary creative will" which had "no fixed aim, no permanency, only eternal change."

    "an ethic of self-sacrifice"

    "people's community"

    "public need before private greed"

    "communally-minded social consciousness"


    All of these expressions came from Adolph Hitler.

    Saul Alinsky, one of Obama's primary political mentors, espoused eerily similar societal admonitions in his book Reveille for Radicals; p. 133 and 105:

    "A People's Organization (later changed to "community organization") is dedicated to an eternal war. It is a war against poverty, misery, delinquency, disease, injustice, hopelessness, despair, and unhappiness."


    and

    "A People's Organization is not a philanthropic plaything or a social service's ameliorative gesture. It is a deep, hard-driving force, striking and cutting at the very roots of all the evils which beset the people...it thinks and acts in terms of social surgery and not cosmetic cover-ups."


    and

    "There is hope, and life is worth living. There may not be a light at the end of the trail but they (the masses) have a light in their hands, a light they made themselves, and they know that not only will they themselves have to work out their own destiny but that they themselves can."*


    Obama says, "Yes we can!" change...

    Exactly what should change and how is unclear. Everything?

    Time for Tough Questions and Straight Answers

    More than four months ago, when a reporter noticed that Obama was no longer wearing an American flag lapel pin, and asked if he were making a fashion statement, this was part of Obama's reply:

    "Instead," (of wearing the pin) he said, "I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism."

    Well, here we are a week after Super Tuesday and it seems we are still waiting for Obama to expound upon the "what" and the "how" of this ethereal "change" mantra, to spell out his commitment to "patriotism."

    Little has been made in the mainstream press of the brand of black liberation theology preached by Obama's pastor and spiritual mentor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Jr., who holds a master's degree on world religions with a focus on Islam, and who has traveled to Middle Eastern countries in the company of Louis Farrakhan. Rev. Wright created and presides over the Center for African Biblical studies, whose mission is African-centered Bible studies:

    "We are an African people, and we remain true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."


    Several forms of liberation theology sprouted during the 20th century, all espousing a third way between godless communism and the socialist utopian dream. All are predicated upon an acceptance that sin is not individual, but collective, and that sin cannot be overcome through religious conversion, but only by a people's struggle against all injustice. Congregations of various faiths and denominations have been used as platforms for collective statist approaches to human redemption. The social gospel espoused by religious-left churches in the U.S. is another form of liberation theology, which takes a political route to redemption for man's collective soul.

    According to liberation theologies, God does not save men. Man saves himself through a political process of absolute social justice.

    Writing in 2004, as Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Pope Benedict had this to say about liberation theology in his book, Truth and Tolerance (p. 116):

    "...this struggle (against all injustice), it was said, would have to be a political struggle, because the structures (of oppression) were strengthened and maintained by politics. Thus redemption became a political process, for which Marxist philosophy offered the essential directions. It became a task that men themselves could -- indeed had to -- take in hand and became, at the same time, the object of quite practical hopes; faith was changed from ‘theory' into practice, into concrete redeeming action in the liberation process." (emphases mine)


    Consider these statements from Obama's campaign website, contained in his video invitation for all to "join us in changing the Country."

    "We believe in what this Country can be."

    "In the face of war, we believe there can be peace."

    "In the face of despair, we believe there can be hope."

    "...America can be one people reaching for what's possible."


    Obama indeed seems to be offering a people's government solution to all human problems. He is, after all, running for President of the United States, not for a pulpit. Substituting the state for God as provider has been the inherent common thread in all Marxist regimes.

    And in this seemingly redemptive offering, Obama may be promising what only God can actually deliver, in the form of yet another, more eloquent, version of the same old utopian dream that started with Rousseau and Marx.

    Can man successfully redeem himself through collective transformation and liberation?

    Pope Benedict says "No" rather emphatically, in Truth and Tolerance. Writing of the fall of the Soviet Union:

    "...where the Marxist ideology of liberation had been consistently applied, a total lack of freedom had developed, whose horrors were now laid bare before the eyes of the entire world. Wherever politics tries to be redemptive, it is promising too much. Where it wishes to do the work of God, it becomes not divine, but demonic."


    Coincidentally, Saul Alinsky began his book Rules for Radicals:

    "Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins -- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer."


    Attempting to discern true meaning from Obama's speeches gives one the feeling of having been trapped in a sort of verbal quicksand. Hair-pulling levels of frustration await any effort to find any specific meaning. A sensation of lethargic sinking into an abyss of abstract gibberish awaits the mind looking for specifics..

    Obama's public statements, his speeches, even his "present" votes in the Illinois legislature leave one dangerously unsure of his true intentions.

    Whatever Obama's concrete plans are, they ought to aligned with his political mentor, Saul Alinsky, and his spiritual mentor and liberation theology specialist, Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

    In the absence of any genuine explanations from candidate Obama himself, the change of which he speaks reasonably may be inferred to be quite antithetical to anything even remotely resembling American patriotism.

    And that is a legitimate concern for every American voter.
    • Hitpoint, on 02/22/2008, -2/+4If i wanna read multiple paragraphs, i'll open a book.
      • lamprey187, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1me too, a non-fiction book, unlike the string of never ending fantasy paragraphs quoting the pope as posted above.
      • RRJackson, on 02/22/2008, -1/+2I'm sure you don't crack books all that often...
    • kanabiis, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1Is it racism or goodwining? It is a logical fallacy and intellectually dishonest to compare Obama to Hitler purely based on the effectiveness of thier speaking style. One must look at the message being conveyed, Hitler openly spoke of hatred of the Jews, Blacks, and other non-Ayran races. Hitler also used tremendous amounts of nationalist propaganda and fear mongering to work his base into a frenzy. You cannot point to an instance of this with Obama as well.

      If you purely analyze based on content, the Republican party uses much more nationalist propaganda and fear mongering then any Democrat. Rudy was by far the worst.

      So this comparison of Hitler to Obama is empty rhetoric without any substance. Alot of pretty words and quotes without any truth.

    • Mejari, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1And if I want to read biased bull-crap, I'll read whatever you post. 1 quick question from the beginning of that huge wall-o-text (cause thats as far as I read)
      What's so scary about people searching for "Obama + change" and "Obama + Christ"? Change is his campaign's slogan, so it would make sense that people would be searching for it. And in every election people are interested on a candidate's religious views. To infer that everyone searching for "Obama + Christ" thinks he is Jesus is absurd. Notice that means that 90% of those scary searches are irrelevant to insinuating there is an Obama cult. I admit, "Obama + messianic" and "Obama + prophet" are a little strange, but that's only a small portion of people searching about Obama. There are crazy people in all groups, you can't take that to mean the entire group is insane.

      P.S. While scrolling through I noticed you mentioned Hitler, so.... Godwin's Law on you. And Shenanigans!
  • Jforsyth89, on 02/22/2008, -0/+4Normally I wouldn't have a problem with the video, but after hearing the Hillary campaign just recently bad-mouthing Obama for doing the same thing (using material from his good friend instead of his spouse) I think it's pretty dishonorable.
  • nittanylion06, on 02/22/2008, -3/+2Linked isn't even close to this: http://tinyurl.com/3588js
    Both campaigns have staffers from the last decade or more, so it is no small wonder that similar ideas are brought forth once more. However, Obama is credited with having the best oratory skills of any politician in recent history -- and people are flocking to "his" message of hope. And here it turns out the man is lifting portions of his speech word-for-word from previous speakers. Whether or not he had permission to use the line is immaterial: the fact is the man's message of hope was 'xeroxed'.
    And even if you buy into the argument that Clinton is doing the same thing, I thought Obama was supposed to be above all of this political garbage? At the very least, this just shows you that he's the same as every other politician out there -- he just plays the game better than most. There are a lot of people in the Democratic party in for a rude awakening when they finally see Obama as the politician that he truly is.
    • kanabiis, on 02/22/2008, -0/+0And somehow you know what kind of man he is based on what, watching TV? Have you met either candidate? Attempting some kind of character assessment based on your viewing him on television is about as absurd as claiming to have medical training simply by watching Grey's Anatomy.

      What kind of politician he truly is, thats a riot...... enlighten us wise one....
      • nittanylion06, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1Hey, if the masses (and diggers) can praise Obama and his integrity, why can't I condemn it? The majority of his supporters avidly espouse the idea that he is a "Washington outsider" that will work to change the system -- the principle axiom being that he is somehow different than any other US Senator. He's not. And he's playing the game better because he's got people thinking he's not. It's a page out of Machiavelli: the best way to gain power is to do avoid the appearance of desire.
    • jm4847, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1He's not that good of a public speaker. He stutters A LOT.
  • Pplus, on 02/22/2008, -1/+2"In many respects he is asking the public to judge him on the strength of his rhetoric," said Howard Wolfson, a top Clinton adviser, during a conference call with reporters today. "When we learn he has taken an important section of his speech from another elected official, it raises very fundamental questions about his campaign."
  • stellandfly, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1Christ, not another ***** plagiarism story. Can we move on already??
    • FearLess77, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1You can just avoid clicking on the stories, no?
  • jerwin, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1If she were actually sleeping with Bill it might be a different story...
  • graaaag, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1I support obama, but come on people. This really isn't a big deal. We didn't care that obama borrowed lines from one of his close friends, so how can we care if hillary borrows lines from her husband? Don't get me wrong, i still dont want her to win, and i do think she should acknowledge that the line was her husbands, but still.
  • jbdobd, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1just words!!!
  • jm4847, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1Prepare for two more hits on march 4, Hillary.
  • minox, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1It's amazing that all you diggers are somehow pleased that both Dem nominees for the presidency are flagrant plagiarists. So many of you are so reflexively pro-Obama that you think this kind of tit-for-tat is good for Obama just because it is bad for Hillary. Well it isn't good for either of them. It makes Obama look especially callow.
  • argaen21, on 02/22/2008, -0/+0This is definitely change we can xerox. Come on everyone cheer with me: CHANGE WE CAN XEROX! YES WE WILL!
    lol
  • OisinT, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2Bill was a great president
  • Mizzike, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1...and then there's Ron Paul, whose speeches are genuine and not tainted by plagiarism. (Yeah, go ahead and digg me down... just sayin.)
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