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Hillary Clinton's campaign debt soars to $31 million

latimesblogs.latimes.com — She added another $9.5 million in unpaid bills to venders this past month alone, pushing her total debt to venders and herself to the new astronomical figure, about a 50% debt increase in one month.

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  • DexterHarvey, on 05/21/2008, -4/+180Lose with dignity and pay your dam bills!
    • acosta814, on 05/21/2008, -8/+28Buried as Inaccurate, update from the article

      (*UPDATE: Due to a mathematical error, Hillary Clinton's loans to herself were added twice in the calculation of this item. Her total debts are about $20 million, not $31 million. A corrected item covering the first five paragraphs of this one has been published here.)
      • joebeastie, on 05/21/2008, -0/+67oh ok, only $20 million in debt, thank god, thought she was in real trouble there....
        • yaddayaddayoda, on 05/21/2008, -0/+10Anyone who mismanages her campaign the way she has does not have my trust that she can balance the country's budget.
    • halobender, on 05/21/2008, -2/+2They will make it back pretty quick, Bill makes quite a bit on the lecture circuit. The Clintons were millions in the hole years back and made it back.
      • Loonacy, on 05/21/2008, -0/+7The Clintons aren't in debt. The "Clinton Campaign" is in debt. In fact, part of the debt of the Clinton Campaign is to Hillary Clinton herself.
    • chanop, on 05/21/2008, -0/+7It was the predatory lenders!
    • briguymaine, on 05/21/2008, -3/+4what if the Clintons are trying to sabotage Obama's campaign, theory...
      Hillary knows she can't win, so she gets deep into debt and won't pull out until Obama agrees to pick up her debt leaving his campaign with a huge burden. Now he is hamstrung in the fight again McCain and loses, allowing Hill to go for it again in 2012. Obama won't try again because he already lost once, like Kerry in '04.

      • Coven, on 05/21/2008, -0/+5Not going to happen. Obama can't pay off her debts with money already donated to his campaign. He would have to start a seperate fund raising drive to pay off her debts. It wont affect his campaign at all.
      • MiDri, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4+ the Mayans said the world is ending in 2012
        • narcofiche, on 05/21/2008, -1/+4Woman president and the world ends. Go figure?
        • fireashes, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Stop Fear mongering. They said the world would end in Y2K. well I am still alive after more than 8 years and so are you.
      • amadeusdemarzi, on 05/21/2008, -2/+1What are you, 5?
    • theandy1, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1Charles Barkley is to gambling as Hillary Clinton is to politics.
    • kho0ni, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1She ate all the money. This whole "I will not give up even though it is impossible to win" was just to rake in more cash. There are a lot of other "donations" she has had that haven't been counted for in the campaign.
    • allengeer, on 05/21/2008, -2/+1ha.. shes 20 million in debt and when and if Obama gets elected her tax rate is gonna jump to 39%. ha. *****.
    • p1nn4cl3, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1What will be really interesting is to see who actually does pay her bills. She has to be under the assumption that someone she knows is going to help her pay off the debts once the election is over and the $2,300 donation limit is removed. Once corporations are allowed to give again, I wonder just who will come to Hillary's rescue, and what kind of favors they get tossed their way over the next few years.

    • funkedup, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2How can Hilary claim to fix a recession induced economy and balance our debt when she can't even run her own campaign?
    • phike, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Just more evidence that proves women do not know how to manage their own money without spending it on another pair of campaign shoes

      /joke-not-to-be-taken-seriously
    • mashedpotatoes, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1I'm your dam tour guide. In a minute we'll be headed to the dam cafeteria where you can get your dam-dogs.
  • huntress58, on 05/21/2008, -3/+34What about calling them on their #10 million dollar lie?
    • fani, on 05/21/2008, -4/+1# ?

      You know, $ is right there on your keyboard. Shift-4 should do it.
      • Bahada, on 05/21/2008, -1/+0You know, # is right there next to $ on your keyboard.
        /smartass
    • life036, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Obama better not bail her out. This lying ***** dug her own ditch.
  • tcbishop12, on 05/21/2008, -4/+36A friend asked me just now: "What does this say about her electability?"

    Not very much.

    But then again, I've always thought it to be -- really insipidly stupid, actually -- for the mainstream media to buy into any argument as to electability coming from the candidate who is actually losing.
    • MikeSD34, on 05/21/2008, -1/+5I would say a candidates ability to manage available funds and pay their bills on time contributes greatly to their electability. If they can't manage a campaign, how are they going to manage a government?
      • MiDri, on 05/21/2008, -1/+2Pay your friends outrageous amounts of money to do it, just like we're doing now.
      • Frozenfuryblade, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1I was thinking the exact same thing. If she can't even keep her campaign out of debt, how can she get the country out of debt?
    • iFrikkenR, on 05/21/2008, -1/+4What does this say about how she'll run the country though.

      She's demonstrated daily how she thinks about debt. and her campaign is only a tiny blip compared to the money she'll be able to mismanage if elected, driving the country further and further into debt. Likewise, her ignorant "never give up attitude even though there isn't a *****-show" is the sort of thing that gets you into wars you can't win... and the enormous debt that goes with it.

      • LloydBentsen, on 05/22/2008, -1/+1Campaigning and governing are entirely different things.
      • iFrikkenR, on 05/22/2008, -1/+2Yes and no. In both cases you need to manage a large group of people/assets know when to quit, when not to even start and when to stop accruing debt and do something about it.

        Admittedly if president, many of these decisions require the backing of others which is quite unlike campaigning. Still, you surely want someone who can demostrate those abilities of their own accord, not because they have to.
  • BishkekBuddy, on 05/21/2008, -4/+37Please let me know who her investors are and what else they invest in - I want to run, not walk, away from those!
    • minorthreat, on 05/21/2008, -1/+3or if you were really an investor you would have said "I want to run, not walk, to short those!"
    • ravenf, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1short... good!
    • ThatEvilGuy, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2I'd run towards them, they are idiots and like to waste money.

      Granted, yea, she will pay them off in time, but they wanted more than that.
  • iching, on 05/21/2008, -3/+38Money for nothing and your chicks for free
    Now that ain't workin' that's the way you do it
  • geothree, on 05/21/2008, -8/+42Please don't tell me that her supporters don't actually know now that she did NOT raise that 10 million in the 24 hours immediately following PA.

    I support her going on with the primary, but I don't support the continued deliberate hoodwinking of her supporters.
    • pandlcg, on 05/21/2008, -1/+4i must've missed that...what do you mean she didn't raise the $10M following the PA election? (being serious)
      • chanop, on 05/21/2008, -0/+11This was actually pretty well covered by the news that I had read and seen right after PA (including MSM). She put something like $5 million or more of their own money into the campaign, and it was the second time she had done that. Money raised =/= Money invested by herself
  • IdigObama, on 05/21/2008, -7/+66It's hard to believe that she is what the "hard working white's" are voting for.
    She is beyond pathetic...and I'm a hard workin white,middle aged,woman!
    OBAMA 08 & 12!!
  • holdencaulfield, on 05/21/2008, -4/+75Let her keep spending more and more... but she better not expect Obama to foot the bill at the end.
    • RoroCo, on 05/21/2008, -1/+4Ironically, the article above this one on DIGG right now is touting Obama's contributions being at $31MM for April - the same amount as Hillary's debt. Coincidence... I sure as hell hope so.
    • scamper22, on 05/21/2008, -13/+0why not? Isn't bailing out irresponsible people who live beyond their means part of Obama's platform?
      • jp12380, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Reference? What is Obama supporting that Hillary isn't that would bailing out irresponsible people?

        Second, are you a McCain supporter? If you are talk about the ultimate irresponsible person living beyond their means, supporting a war with money we don't have ruining this country. That is what we will get with McCain and I would like to hear why you would disagree with that if you do. We can't afford the wars we are in right now it costs ridiculously amounts of money and as long as we keep spending it on the war our money will eventually become worthless which will be perfect for when they give us the reason we are going to merge with Canada and Mexico and start using the Amero instead of the Dollar.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98
        • scamper22, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1References: from http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
          "Create Fund to Help Homeowners Avoid Foreclosures"

          His whole platform is largely based on taking from me to give to people who are irresponsible. He doesn't do anything to address the real causes of problems. He's a big government messiah. Apologies for not believing in him.

          "What is Obama supporting that Hillary isn't that would bailing out irresponsible people?"
          Not much. They're both the same.
          Not a McCain supporter either.

          That leaves only one insane choice left...ron paul...
        • jp12380, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1Back to the question at hand. Is Hillary not for this kind of thing too? I agree with you, I don't think it's right but what is worse is supporting a war that should have never been in the first place and then saying that you would spend 100 years there if need be. You know what McCain is doing there? He is taking your money and throwing it away, and might I add if we compared the amount of money Obama was considering giving to home owners that might go into foreclosure vs the amount of money we are paying for this war there is no comparison.
        • jp12380, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Sorry, I don't know what happened, I did not see the rest of what you wrote or something. Just reading it now, ok I can get behind you on Ron Paul, the only problem is in all practicality he will not be the next president :(. So unfortunately we are stuck with these 3, well I feel Obama would be the next best candidate that has a chance.

  • Debmood, on 05/21/2008, -6/+53Hillary is irresponsible with money. She's been given many opportunities to exit gracefully but she keeps going and playing dirty tricks, including not paying the vendors that she claims to represent.
    I certainly hope that Obama is not planning to help her with her incredible debt from our campaign funds. I made contributions to him, not to Hillary. I would be very upset if he helps clear her debt. She's evil enough to keep going so that he will pay her debt off for slamming him every chance she gets. Now Hillary is crying sexism. There is no sexism. She just can't handle the truth. It's over!
    • SheilaNoya, on 05/21/2008, -0/+12Legally, Obama can't give any of his campaign money to Hillary. However, he can hold a special fundraiser to raise independent cash for her. I doubt many people would want to contribute when they know that their contributions either goes back into Hillary's personal bank account, or goes into the pockets of people like Mark Penn (who is inept and not worth the $10 million in fees Hillary still owes him).
    • gannondork, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3She wants sexism, okay then.

      Damn Hillary, just like a woman to run up a credit card to ungodly amounts and then expect a man to pay it off for her.
      • marabout40, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1I take offense to that but I digg any way. ;)
  • iching, on 05/21/2008, -4/+83LA TIMES HAVE CORRECTED IT TO $20 MILLION NOW.... she still isn't paying vendors
    though.
  • Arishia, on 05/21/2008, -6/+104This is more and more like a Bush presidency. Engage in an endless war and run up an absurd debt, and broadcast absurd lies about what is going on.
    • dho331, on 05/21/2008, -21/+2WTF is your problem. Bush may have made mistakes, and he may lie, but he is 10 times less ***** up than Hillary Clinton. Besides, the longer the war the better, the more people that get killed, the less are alive. Now they just need to switch to WMDs and blow up china, africa, south america, and any other continents/nations that are screwed up.
      • Remmiz, on 05/21/2008, -1/+6Keep working on that GED. I'm sure you'll get it someday!
        • darlyn, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1Pure gold. I'm going to start using that as my primary insult from now on.
      • OUberLord, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1dho331, I truly hope someday you will realize how blatantly ignorant your comment is.
      • SlapTard, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1Switch to WMD's. But, isn't that the very reason we... oh nevermind, just ***** off.
    • duggdowncatisad, on 05/21/2008, -2/+6She's in the process of turning into a Republican so she can run against Obama again in 2012.
    • kho0ni, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Clinton has been caught lying so many times, so many scandals, deception, I think she will be even worse then Bush if elected.
  • chrissku, on 05/21/2008, -3/+40Why is Hillary still in this race? What is she trying to gain? Why is Hillary still in this race? Seriously......what is she doing?????
  • Diderotten, on 05/21/2008, -4/+8lol the story above this talks about Obama getting 31 million in April. She'll want to be his VP more than ever.
  • kemp34, on 05/21/2008, -4/+58I've had enough of this crazy woman.
  • iansanderson, on 05/21/2008, -8/+3At least she's helping the GDP
    • duggdowncatisad, on 05/21/2008, -1/+8At first I thought you said she was helping the GOP. Would've been just as accurate.
    • anazem, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2But is she really helping the GDP if she's not actually paying anyone?
  • warholsbluecat, on 05/21/2008, -11/+5How the hell do you get a math error that turns 20 million into 31 million? WE NEED A COMIC FROM XKCD MAKING FUN OF THIS RIGHT NOW!
    • rdoger6424, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1They're taking out the money she lent herself
  • brandonelliott, on 05/21/2008, -10/+2WHO CARES.
  • URnotheonly1, on 05/21/2008, -33/+2DEMOCRATS 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR CURRENT GAS PRICES, every silly one of them needs a slap in the face
    • Samohtneas, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1I would think the gas prices are OPEC's fault.
    • samkline, on 05/21/2008, -1/+2I assume this guy is a troll. Just look at his other comments.
    • shinedout, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1Good god man get a life
    • normalkid0615, on 05/21/2008, -1/+1its the weak dollar which is bush's fault. stop driving everywhere america!
  • NoDivision, on 05/21/2008, -5/+33If only she were an honorary Native American.

    Hillary Soaring Indebted Eagle
  • camaroz06, on 05/21/2008, -4/+11Thats pretty bad, how do you get so in debt during a campaign anyways? Is it from mailers or TV spots? Anyone know what she has spent the most money on?
    • peestandingup, on 05/21/2008, -0/+15Pantsuits.
      • agentbob, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2i checked the replies specifically in search of that.
    • DooM, on 05/21/2008, -0/+6I think that's a good question - my guess would be (in this order) TV/Radio Ads, Staff Salaries, Travel Expenses, Office Space Rental, renting venues for events...
    • winmywii, on 05/21/2008, -0/+5The messages on my answering machine still haunt me "Hi, this is Hillary Clin.....message delete."
  • exomni, on 05/21/2008, -4/+20Drop the ***** out. If Obama foots this ***** bill I'm going to be beyond pissed. I didn't give money to Obama so he could waste it on some stupid bitch who refuses to drop out.

    The people have already spoken, Obama has a majority of the pledged delegates, the only way Clinton can win now is by convincing superdelegates to overthrow the will of the people, and yet she still hasn't dropped out. That's nothing but a big fat middle-finger she's giving to the Democratic voters, and I'm happy to give her a big "***** you" right back.
    • CeeAyy, on 05/21/2008, -1/+10You should be aware, at this point, that it is illegal for him to give her money from his contributors to erase her debt. The only possibility of her getting money would be if they held a joint fundraiser. Anyone who donated to this event would be aware of the fact that it also goes to Hillary. Specific contributions to Sen. Obama's campaign cannot be used by her. No more need for FUD.
      • exomni, on 05/21/2008, -1/+2There has been much talk about Barack making a deal with Hillary to help pay off her debts, and the reason he'd have the opportunity to help Hillary pay off her debts is because of early donors like me who gave our money so he could use it to campaign for himself and win the nomination, and more importantly the presidency, not so he could waste his time raising money for Clinton.

        Regardless, the talk has been that Barack could help Hillary pay off her debts; if that talk is *****, then I'm glad, but if that talk ever comes to fruition I'd be beyond pissed.
        • Coven, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1The talk is misunderstood. He can help her pay off her debts by holding fundraisers for her to help "heal the party."
    • phike, on 05/22/2008, -0/+3Update: Clinton is now ahead in the popular vote*

      *Disclaimer: You have to not count the Michigan voters that hated Clinton soooo much, they decided to go to the polling booth and check "undeclared" in strong support for Obama/Edwards and/or anti-support for Clinton, AND count Florida; two states that Obama is naturally disadvantaged by not being allowed to have campaigns with much less name recognition.

      If you think Clinton is ahead in the popular vote, you are WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. And, might I add, a blind, biased, "sexism-is-real-and-racism-is-not", dumbass.
  • Borgcube636, on 05/21/2008, -13/+25***** THING SUCKS!!!
    • blackjack75, on 05/21/2008, -1/+5Apparently no she doesn't. Otherwise Bill wouldn't have played with cigars.
  • insanecee, on 05/21/2008, -6/+6thats alright elect her president let her hike up the gas price, ***** over the sales on housing and crush all dreams of living... thats how we'll pay off her debt. (why do you think she is working so hard on winning)... what ever happen to that gas holiday...? bitch.
  • Jorin, on 05/21/2008, -6/+9I hope she doesn't end up like Britney Spears.
    • Theisos, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4I hope she does.
    • centerblack, on 05/21/2008, -2/+3Leave Hillary alone! Leave her alone!
    • SpongeBad, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Climbing out of a car without panties?

      I just threw up a little in my mouth.
  • Kotoyumu, on 05/21/2008, -3/+5Yeah at this point she has had many opportunities to bow out, yet she keeps pushing further. Its over!!
  • HappyScrappy, on 05/21/2008, -6/+7latimes updated it to $20M, which is the same figure we had before. There's no 50% increase in a month. So marking as inaccurate.
  • 11b1p, on 05/21/2008, -11/+2Obama may pay her that money when he is forced to become the VP by Howard Dean. YAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHWWWWWW
  • plhearn, on 05/21/2008, -10/+4Its her money and she can do what she wants with it. If she wants to go broke thats her choice.
  • cjays1, on 05/21/2008, -2/+7She still hasn't caught up to Romney, whose campaign debt was at 35 million when he dropped out.
    • marabout40, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Trust me, knowing Hillary, she's already there. We just haven't heard the entire truth about her finances yet.
    • BlackJackJester, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Paul had (might even still have) a pretty fat wad of cash not doing a whole lot from when he 'dropped out'.
      • logicet, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1He hasn't dropped out. Keep listening to your controllers, though.
  • junkwheel, on 05/21/2008, -2/+8The Native American's *have* offered Hillary a name, she just hasn't responded or made it public yet. The name is:

    False Win Seeker of Epic Enduring Tragedy
  • aimhelix, on 05/21/2008, -1/+8I'm sure there are other little boys out there willing to sell his bike to raise funds for Hellary.
  • PatNolan, on 05/21/2008, -2/+4And she wants to do that with your money ...
  • Sohbetci, on 05/21/2008, -20/+0Thanks.


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  • pedo, on 05/21/2008, -2/+13hmm... thats really responsible money management... just what america needs in a president! /s
  • whereiseljefe, on 05/21/2008, -2/+9If she runs her campaign into debt this quickly, what would have happened to the national treasury (or what's left of it) had she gained the presidency?
    • zepher5150, on 05/21/2008, -1/+0exactly.
    • logicet, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2What's 'left' of the 'national treasury'?
      You mean the $9 Trillion in debt, and $40 Trillion in unfunded liabilities?
      We haven't had any treasure since the inception of the Federal Reserve Bank.
  • winmywii, on 05/21/2008, -2/+8Can somebody explain to me why all of these comments suggest that somehow Obama will have to pay her debts?
    • thegreatgazoo, on 05/22/2008, -0/+0Yeah. The current theory is that he will have to pay some/all of her debts to bribe her to go away.
  • arrrapirate, on 05/21/2008, -4/+6VENDOR, goddammit
  • KhanneaNL, on 05/21/2008, -3/+6http://op-for.com/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg
  • Adlad, on 05/21/2008, -10/+5What amazes me is that after all this she is still relatively close to Obama in terms of delegates etc.

    So if America is willing to vote for a nutty bitch like Clinton, what makes any one think they won't vote for a uneducated fool like McCain?

    I have a terrible feeling that these elections won't turn out to Obama's favor. And if they don't, then America has no one else to blame for 4 more years of ***** than itself.
    • redslash, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1The reason this amazes you is you've spent WAY too much time among like-minded people (like those on Digg) who overwhelmingly support Obama and never badmouth him, ever, and love to bring any damaging stories on Clinton. There's a huge amount of people--actual, real, living, breathing, thinking human beings--who support her. She just beat Obama by 250,000 votes in Kentucky (which is a greater margin than he won NC by, fyi). These Clinton supporters often oppose Obama. Some of them even have valid reasons for doing so.

      I love Obama too, but let's not overstate things.
      • BlackJackJester, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2I'm not gonna say I love Obama (although at this point, I'd rather either someone super liberal, like him, or super conservative, like RP. The moderates aren't getting anything done at all.), but I don't think there is one thing Clinton has said that I don't find repulsive, a lie, or that just plain out won't work.
    • dinot, on 05/22/2008, -0/+1"So if America is willing to vote for a nutty bitch like Clinton, what makes any one think they won't vote for a uneducated fool like McCain?"

      If more than 15 million Americans are willing to vote for a half-white, half-black, practically unknown Senator who admitted to using drugs, whose middle name is Hussein and last name rhymes with Osama, then I am totally not worried. Think about it. This guy has got so much potentially damaging political talking points working against him, and yet people see through all that and vote for him because of his ideas, his policies, his judgement. His campaign has survived and surpassed the most powerful political name in recent history.

      We're gonna be fine........ I think.
  • KLBP, on 05/21/2008, -1/+8There needs to be some campaign finance reform that requires candidates to pay their debts in a timely fashion (e.g. net 30 days) including what they own to advisers, consultants, etc.

    Obama has proven that it is possible to raise vast sums of campaign contributions from vast numbers of contributors (93% of the 3 million contributions were for $100 or less). As such, forcing a candidate to pay their debts on time will force them to rely more upon contributions from regular voters rather than betting they will be able to pay off their debts later via fat cat fund raising dinners.
  • jdelsman, on 05/21/2008, -3/+16This is inaccurate. Her actual debt is $20 million, so see the article for clarification.
    • Adlad, on 05/21/2008, -2/+5What difference does it make? $20 million or $30 million. It's still far too much money to be in debt.

      Her campaign finances should be a reflection of how she will act with money if she became President. And this is a very bad reflection indeed.
  • scamper22, on 05/21/2008, -2/+7Too bad she doesn't have her own federal reserve banking system.
    • logicet, on 05/22/2008, -0/+2Who do you think is giving her money?
  • mrraven200, on 05/21/2008, -3/+6In a just world she'd lose her personal fortune and have to live in a cardboard box. That would be appropriate karma for being an obnoxious corporate sock puppet, war monger, and liar.
  • excalibur363, on 05/21/2008, -2/+4(*UPDATE: Due to a mathematical error, Hillary Clinton's loans to herself were added twice in the calculation of this item. Her total debts are about $20 million, not $31 million.)

    tsk tsk
  • SoundJudgment, on 05/21/2008, -6/+4So... if 31 million of us would mail her $1... she'd break even? Lemme get a stamp.
    • voteforblank, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1According to her website. Minimum donations are $5.00. Save your dollar for a liter of gas.
  • funk13, on 05/21/2008, -2/+7it's just more money she is going to have to accept from lobbyists, thus putting her in their respective pockets. great, one more politician out there for the people...
    ...and by people, i mean corporations. it's a vicious cycle.
  • jhails, on 05/21/2008, -3/+7Hillary doesn't care about the money because she is spending someone else's coin. She is going to spend the campaign into a hole to spite everyone and then she is going to present the bill to Obama's team and the Democratic party for them to pay off.
    Have another box of dunkin donuts pantsuit lady!
  • 55mph, on 05/21/2008, -8/+2Her next step is to have Obama assassinated. That's her only chance.
  • cambob76, on 05/21/2008, -3/+6Hillary -> take a hint already!
  • mrraven200, on 05/21/2008, -2/+7If there is one thing that might unite a divided country red & blue, left and right it's hating Hillary Clinton, as a hard lefty it's certainly ther only thing I can agree with the O'Reily crowd on...
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