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Giuliani associated with crooked opportunists, unqualified to be President

democracynow.org — An interview with Wayne Barrett, author of “Grand Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11", shows how crooked and deceitful Giuliani is, his opportunism, his anti-terrorism facade, his poor decision making ability, and just how bad a president he would be.

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  • reikiman, on 11/16/2007, -5/+43The transcript will be posted eventually. The high points are:-

    Giuliani's pick to be NYC Police Chief was recently charged with serious corruption crimes. This police chief had qualification deficiencies.

    Giuliani made dozens of poor decisions ... such as the location of their emergency response command center, locating it within a known terrorist target center (in WTC7). Since the command center had been destroyed it impaired the city's response on Sep 11, 2001 and contributed to the confusion.

    The radio system used by NYC doesn't allow cross communication between agencies. This deficiency was noted after the 1993 WTC bombing, and Giuliani did nothing about it, and it contributed to the confusion on Sep 11, 2001. More of the first responders could have escaped had they been able to hear the evacuation orders, but they didn't hear the order because of the deficient radio system.
    • MisterEX, on 11/16/2007, -11/+3Mistakes are most easily pointed out after they happen.
      • MacEnvy, on 11/16/2007, -2/+14Yeah, but most of these were also pointed out to the Mayor's office BEFORE they became an issue on 9/11, and were ignored. It kind of takes the wind out of Giuliani's "look what I did to protect NYC" argument.
        • norman619, on 11/16/2007, -8/+3How? He didn't do what he says he did during 911?
          • MacEnvy, on 11/16/2007, -2/+15He didn't do ***** before or after 9/11. Standing on rubble does not a leader make.
  • p0s3r, on 11/16/2007, -11/+37Hillary Clinton associated with convicted felons and disbarred lawyers, unqualified to be President.
    • KicktheDonkey, on 11/16/2007, -1/+8Not going to disagree with you. But there *are* more candidates than Hillary and Guiliani.
      • p0s3r, on 11/16/2007, -6/+1They're just the front-runners.
      • scott2007, on 11/16/2007, -0/+3Every candidate is associated with crooked opportunists and is unqualified to be president. When I read the title of this submission I smirked. The people here, on average, are soooo young. lol
    • bratpack8, on 11/16/2007, -0/+8Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Just because I don't like Rudy doesn't mean I'm voting for Hitlary. These are the worst two of the entire lot.
  • s35wf, on 11/16/2007, -30/+36Guiliani is Satan; Hillary is Lucifer.
    Either way we ALL LOSE!
    Vote No Evil!
    VOTE DR. RON PAUL 2008! Join the Ron Paul Revolution!
    • rudy23, on 11/16/2007, -22/+11shut the ***** up
    • bsmang, on 11/16/2007, -5/+4But if it _does_ happen to come down to a choice of Rudy or Hillary, please make sure to pick the lesser of two evils and hand Giuliani a decisive defeat.
      • p0s3r, on 11/16/2007, -5/+3Hillary's the lesser of those two evils? I would suggest otherwise.
      • bratpack8, on 11/16/2007, -2/+6If it's those two, I'm either not going to bother voting in this sham or write in Ron Paul.
      • SamuraiGhost, on 11/16/2007, -0/+4Write in. FTW.
    • JoeVet, on 11/16/2007, -5/+3Just because the front runners of the two major parties are not ideal is no reason to vote for a clear lunatic who's goal is the total trashing of our current system of government. What we really need is leadership to get our government back to serving the people. We don't need to completely dismantle it.
      • jjacksonRIAB, on 11/16/2007, -0/+3The problem I see is that people keep voting along party lines instead of choosing the right man for the job *at the time*. Right now our government is too big because both parties keep increasing its size and scope. What we need for now is someone who will keep saying no to the pork and taxpayer fleecing, and to really put a dent in it would take longer than 4 years.

        But instead of choosing our leaders wisely we're more interested in the bandwagon stereotyped approach. Let's just keep in perspective that the presidental term is only 4 years, and the president is not a monarch. RP couldn't possibly dismantle the system in that amount of time, but at least he could prove a worthy check against our currently unrestrained Congress.
    • sazai, on 11/16/2007, -1/+2Your revolution sucks.
      I don't need a racist, theocratic revolution. We already have one of those.
  • Munkym, on 11/16/2007, -2/+22To his credit, we should let him defend himself...

    Too bad his only defense to attacks is "9/11"
    • chris9902, on 11/16/2007, -1/+22a noun, a verb and 9/11
      • KicktheDonkey, on 11/16/2007, -1/+2About the only good thing Biden has said.
      • 2trkpony, on 11/16/2007, -3/+6The USA 'patriot act', 'homeland security' scheme, FEMA camps, the bombing of Afghanistan, over 1 million dead on both sides so far-no end in sight, invasion & massacre of Iraq, No WMD, Trillions of tax dollars wasted overseas with at least a billion dollars spent every month, increased war threat, "Operation Iraqi Liberation", 100-million in un-tracable cash transfers given away to Pakistan every MONTH, Guantanamo torture, wiretapping, violation of Geneva convention acts, "terrorism alert meter" in the red, increased surveillance, presidential directive NSPD51 signed, 'real ID act' {aka: national ID cards}, evisceration of United States Constitution & Bill of Rights, more alciada activity, airport security checkpoints & strip search, 2-hour lead-time required for domestic flights, increased police aggression, increased police taser use in name of "fighting terrorism", further police state powers, billion-dollar bailout of commercial airline corporations, constant terror scare & fear-mongering, drastically inflated gas prices {just in time for Thanksgiving traveling!}, no-bid contracts for 're-building' a desecrated Iraq infrastructure, government monitoring of bank accounts & large financial transactions, increased Internet surveillance by governmental agencies & watch groups, potential Internet censorship 'Internet II' in the works, AND SO ON. All made possible by the numbers "9, 1 & 1". Gee do ya think any of this coulda' been planned in advance?
        NAAAAAAH!

        Meanwhile, USA borders into Canada & Mexico remain un-secured, wide open, un-protected.
        Some terrorist threat, huh? Sounds really serious...
  • wattznext, on 11/16/2007, -1/+32Not to sound jaded, but wouldn't being associated with crooked opportunists be one of the first qualifications of being President?
    • chukd, on 11/16/2007, -0/+9I couldn't agree more. People that seek power are 99% of the time opportunists. You can call me a cynic but it is true.
    • petewiz, on 11/16/2007, -1/+4The American Political System = Institutionalized Corruption
      Damn it's crazy to think that when the President commits a crime, no one bats an eye; "Oh it's just Bush, wiping his ass with the Constitution again. Didn't see that one coming."
      But if a regular person does something wrong, they get their ass thrown in the clink. That ***** just ain't right.
    • PatoLucas, on 11/16/2007, -1/+3Good point, it worked for Baby Bush
  • AntBing, on 11/16/2007, -1/+9Is it wrong that I feel like all politicians are this way? I don't trust any of them, they all have personal interests and can't seem to keep their hands out of the cookie jar.
    • macman2k, on 11/16/2007, -2/+4I would argue that case, if Ron Paul didn't prove you wrong. So, I would say the vast majority, but not all, have hidden agendas.
  • ColorBlind, on 11/16/2007, -4/+15If Rudy Giuliani is our next president, mark my words, I'm moving to another country.
    • thanakar, on 11/16/2007, -2/+2Can I have your space?
    • chaosium, on 11/16/2007, -0/+2You people can't even move for the Free State Project, you're not leaving the country.
    • jcalex, on 11/17/2007, -0/+1Colorblind,
      Were you in Viet Nam..if not,you don`t know ***** about how those "Dumass Vererans" feel and why they were upset about Kerry`s lies.Braver men died,and got nothing.
  • ralph12c41, on 11/16/2007, -20/+10Ron Paul has racist ties...Unqualified

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_pau ...
    • TheHydrogens, on 11/16/2007, -6/+13I actually read through some of that article, and basically what it said is "Because Ron Paul hasn't publicly denounced every shady person that endorses him, Ron Paul is bad."

      It is really terribly written and reasoned. "Why hasn't he given back contributions from racists?"... because he would have to screen every person that donated to him, and that is pointless.
      For *****'s sake people, if you don't like Ron Paul, why don't you mention his positions? Bring up things like his wanting to dismantle government programs, get rid of Income Tax, pull out of Iraq, etc. Bring some real points to the table, not this "he is supported by racists" *****.

      You know what? There are racist Catholics in the world. Catholics support the Pope. Is the Pope racist? No. Get over it.

      /rant over
      • ralph12c41, on 11/16/2007, -1/+1My comment was intended to point out that the headline of this story (Giuliani attack)which has Ron Paul supporters excited is in the same league as the article regarding Mr Paul. I guess it depends on whose ox is being gored...
    • sivsta, on 11/16/2007, -2/+1Can ralph12c41 get anymore off topic? lol
  • rudy23, on 11/16/2007, -5/+3NOTE TO DEMOCRATS
    instead of yelling from here on digg they need to fund a campaign with massive TV ads which says this. just like how those dumbass veterans for truth sunk kerrys boat.
    • BoneheadFarker, on 11/16/2007, -1/+2You mean his swift boat?
    • MonsterChaOS, on 11/16/2007, -1/+7I'm sure they will if he wins the primary, which would probably be the best thing for the Dems. Guiliani doesn't have the support of the religious right, and will lose a general election for sure.
      • MacEnvy, on 11/16/2007, -0/+5If Giuliani wins the primary, the Republican Party is finished. After Rudy gets put through the ringer in a general election (Hillary is brutal to opponents), the GOP won't have a shot at the presidency for 20 years.

        You can thank the religious right and the neo-conservative movement for their demise.
        • JoeVet, on 11/16/2007, -1/+6It won't take twenty years. If a woman is voted president, that alone will galvanize them for the next election and it won't matter who runs as long as they are a white Anglo Saxon protestant male. The same reaction will occur if Obama is elected. Bigotry and the religious right walk hand in hand.
      • sivsta, on 11/16/2007, -0/+4If Giuliani wins the nomination, what a smear campaign it would be, heh.
  • cash4chaos, on 11/16/2007, -18/+1Another Ron Paul AKA Chicken Little smear campaign !!!!
  • bigjimslade, on 11/16/2007, -14/+5Wow. A guy who's doesn't like Rudy writes a negative book about Rudy. Buried as Lame.
  • Narcism, on 11/16/2007, -8/+1Was I the only one who read "associated" as "assassinated"?
    • MacEnvy, on 11/16/2007, -0/+3He assassinated with crooked criminals?

      No.
  • crazywarthog, on 11/16/2007, -10/+3The smear is obvious ! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ...
  • StrikerObi, on 11/16/2007, -0/+7That's odd, I thought being associated with crooked opportunists was the #1 qualification for being elected President...

    You learn something new every day.
    • macman2k, on 11/16/2007, -0/+1correlation does not equal qualification... or was that causation?
  • PaulGriffin, on 11/16/2007, -8/+3LOL and the Clintons are NOT CROOKED!

    This digg community is so laughable. This place was better when it was Tech News. Not Political debates.
    • Frei, on 11/16/2007, -0/+6Where did it or anyone say they aren't?
      • IslandDog, on 11/16/2007, -2/+1Because there is rarely any stories like this about democrats that make the front page. Digg is so far left it's not even funny anymore.
        • MarkOfTheDead, on 11/16/2007, -0/+1So far left it's almost right?
    • bratpack8, on 11/16/2007, -0/+6Then why are you here? Go to the tech section. Or does someone from Digg have a gun to your head?
    • BlacklabelSAR, on 11/16/2007, -0/+3If you think that everyone here is a a democrat, then you are mistaken. I've been an Independent for over 20 years. Step back from the false choice of left VS right. It is an illusion.
  • Frei, on 11/16/2007, -0/+6Time recently did a similar story on Kerik and Rudy but I suppose to some that Time is also a "liberal wacko organization" too. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,168 ...
    • JoeVet, on 11/16/2007, -0/+4If its not on the Drudge Report or Fauxnews then it is liberal bias and they can't believe it.
  • maninexile, on 11/16/2007, -0/+9listen folks. you don't have to read this article to know Rudy is unqualified for president. you just have to have lived in New York under his regime. and don't get on your high horses about the whole racist thing and Ron Paul. it is very easy being labeled "racist" in this country: the black community should get their act together. 1/3 of the males are in jail! and get the Jewish influence out of our foreign policy - I don't want to support Israel blindly! so now I'm a racist? ok, a racist I am. at least I am not neo-con.
    • sazai, on 11/16/2007, -2/+3Not supporting Israel doesn't make you racist. Blaming the entire black community because 1/3 of their men are in jail is.
      • imacoder, on 11/16/2007, -2/+1It is the compass' nature to point north.
        • Humptydank, on 11/16/2007, -1/+2Would you expand on that? It sounds interesting.
    • Humptydank, on 11/16/2007, -1/+2Why should the Jewish influence be out of our foreign policy? There are 4 million Jews in this country.

      There are 2.5 million Episcopalians like me in the US, yet 11 out of 43 US Presidents have been my faith, and 43 out of 43 have been my ethnicity. That's much more suspect regarding secret influence than anything related to Jews.

      We set up a system of access to our government that I feel is flawed, but for now everyone with money has access to it. AIPAC, an organization frequently singled out by the "Jewish cabal" crowd that is, for all intents and purposes, a lobbying organization, has a total operating budget reported to be between 13 and 15 million dollars.

      In contrast, AARP *spent* $36 million just on lobbying efforts in 2005. In just 2006, the American Medical Association, the American Hospital Association, and the American Pharmaceutical Manufacturer's Association together spent $55.3 million dollars on lobbying efforts.

      Not counting AIPAC (because they're not a registered lobbying firm), pro-Israel lobbying spending's biggest year was 2005, where four groups, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the American Jewish Committee, the American Jewish Congress, and the Zionist Organization of America, together managed to rack up only $2.4 million.

      Add that to AIPACs efforts, probably substantial, but we'll give them credit for, say, $10 million, and is that this overwhelming Jewish influence everyone is focused on?

      An approximately $12.4 million+ lobby helped sustain $2.52 billion in aid to Israel last year, directly addressing one of the primary concerns of 4 million Americans and a general concern of many more. A $91 million lobby is influencing health care policy in this country, however, which represents $2 trillion in total spending, 10% of the GDP, which doesn't seem to inspire nearly the hyperbole as the influence of The Jews, even when it directly costs us money, as it did in its victory over allowing Medicare to negotiate pricing for prescription drugs

      So I'll be honest and say that I'm suspicious that there's a racist element in discussions on Jewish influence and aid to Israel, but even if not, I'd suggest you start focusing on the people who really control our government, and who are actually taking substantial amounts food out of your mouth as a result.

      Oh, and one last question. If the constant back room scheming of the Jews has resulted in the $2.5 billion we gave to Israel last year, whose constant back room scheming resulted in the $1.8 billion we gave to Egypt? I haven't noticed accusations of widespread Egyptian influence, besides that who King Tut thing in the 70s.
    • thecoolestguy, on 11/17/2007, -1/+2What he means by Jewish influence is ISRAELI influence. It's fine if Jews want to shape domestic policy, but if Jewish nationalists want to shape American foreign policy to benefit a foreign nation that should be opposed by other Americans.
  • gkiltz, on 11/16/2007, -2/+0The last person "Qualified" in the ever so humble opinions of people such as yourself was the late Lyndon Johnson, who, in addition to a lot of other things is famous for the following:
    As a Senator from Texas, Lyndon Johnson voted against EVERY civil rights bill that came to the floor of the Senate, he did not miss a single vote on that issue, no matter how loaded he was, and he voted "NO" on every one!--As President of the US, Lyndon Johnson SIGNED EVERY civil rights bill that made it to the President's Desk. In those days there was a way that laws could go through without the President's signature(Still theoretically possible, but because of the way congress works now very rare!) There were a couple of them where he could have gotten away with that, and didn't do it! HE WAS LATER RUN OUT OF OFFICE IN DISGRACE!
    If you insist you don't need a life, at least get a grip!
  • theclaw1, on 11/16/2007, -7/+0Eh. I'm a huge fan of Giuliani.
  • davidlow, on 11/16/2007, -1/+4"unqualified to be President" ?
    I happened to think Giuliani would make the second worst U.S. President ever (just slightly better than GWB, and I live in New York, by the way), but he is unfortunately qualified for the job.

    According to the Constitution, which is the only authoritative reference on the subject, he can be President since he was born in the U.S., has been a resident here for more than 13 years, and is older than 35. Until someone passes an amendment that excludes a__holes from the presidency, we're all screwed.

    Yeah, I know that's not what you meant by "qualified".
    • JoeVet, on 11/16/2007, -1/+4Any fool can tell you its not the constitution that decides who is qualified. Its who's got the biggest bank account that matters.
  • bushisterrorist, on 11/16/2007, -10/+5Giuliani is a Neocon that wants war until all your children are dead.

    United States Government are terrorists, war criminals, and horrific liars.

    9-11 was an inside job! What happened to building 7?

    Depleted uranium is a weapon of mass destruction!

    Play Wall Street like a PONZI SCHEME!
    • davidlow, on 11/16/2007, -0/+3I like your style. Too bad about the insanity thing.
      • bushisterrorist, on 11/16/2007, -1/+1I can't accept the 5150 title without 5150 funds.

        I would have thought that murdering your children is insanity.

        You Digg?
        • 2trkpony, on 11/16/2007, -1/+1naaah. The act of slaughtering millions of people DEAD overseas isn't insane.
          Killing families, women, children, innocent civilians with 'precision strikes' isn't insane right.
          Neither is tricking an entire nation into no-exit war fraud on lies, manipulations, and massive deceit..

          But the act of TALKING about it, or merely even MENTIONING it, is!
          You'll be labeled "crazie!" by the sleepers.

          Go figure..

          Hey, when so-called intelligent Americans can be programmed to believe "truth=BAD!" "questioning government=UN-AMERICAN!"
          by TV media pundits & the controlled "news", anything is possible..

          Divided we stand, united we fall.
  • Baxattax, on 11/16/2007, -0/+7Most people don't need an entire book to realize that Guiliani would be a horrible president.
  • stormshadow777, on 11/16/2007, -5/+4Wow, this is just like reading Hillary Clintons resume. Sandy Burger, questionable suicides, shady deals. I wonder why this website doesn't devote more time to checking the background of her?

    Buried as a lame biased report
  • mauiboy86, on 11/16/2007, -2/+2Excellent new Video about our Government and Ron Paul

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=sJUXIb27AOI
  • mauiboy86, on 11/16/2007, -6/+0Excellent new Video about our Government and Ron Paul

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=sJUXIb27AOI
  • werkerb33, on 11/16/2007, -2/+1HEADLINE: "Candidate X" associated with crooked opportunists, unqualified to be President...

    that pretty much makes all of them unqualified. Sorry, you don't get seriously considered for President unless you have won at least one state-wide election (Senator, Governor). This means you are surrounded by hags even if you yourself are (reasonably) clean. Please don't bring up Paul, Richardson or Huckabee. Nice folks with decent messages but no chance of winning (flame away RP lovers, it won't change the outcome!).

    I wish we'd stop talking candidates and start a campaign focused on money. How about an amendment requiring level public financed campaigns and restrictions on paid political speech? Require all networks that receive any benefit from the public coffers (OTA broadcast, utility pole access...basically everyone) to provide reasonable and equal free time for political advertisements during a set season. Set restrictions on how much money a candidate or PAC can spend in the run-up to an election.

    Yank the money and you'll yank much of the corruption. Such a system would also open up the game to more than two parties.

    Representative Democracy FTW!
  • Spoomeister, on 11/16/2007, -1/+1"Giuliani associated with crooked opportunists, unqualified to be President"
    *scribble scribble*
    "Giuliani associated with crooked opportunists, expected to be President"

    FTFY
  • Ratteler, on 11/16/2007, -2/+2"Giuliani associated with crooked opportunists, *unqualified* to be President."

    He's running as a Republican. That's the FIRST qualification.
  • mattsw84, on 11/16/2007, -3/+1Show me a serious politician that isn't. Ron Paul is not an acceptable answer.
  • stephbangm, on 11/16/2007, -1/+2Fruity Benito Ghoulitranny
    - Married his cousin (Incest is best I guess!)
    - Married 3 times; Divorced Twice
    - Flip flops on illegal immigration, tax proposals
    - Crossdresser (SNL, Mayor's Circle, etc.)

    How many Presidents do you know with those aforementioned characteristics? haha
  • podrag, on 11/18/2007, -0/+3Margaret Thatcher inserted her pubic proboscis into Satan's anus, implanting her Devil seed. After many hours of frantic thrusting, a worm crawled out of the Devil's mouth... this worm went on to become the Mayor of New York. True Story.
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