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Clinton’s wins count more than Obama’s
eyesonobama.com — Hillary can not win by the rules agreed upon, and the media has not been honest about this. They are fueling her campaign by calling a 10 point win in Pennsylvania a huge victory when she led by 20. They ’ll pull the same stunt with Indiana as well if she ekes out a victory. And they’ll ignore North Carolina completely.
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- capj71, on 04/24/2008, -5/+16No offense, but there are two more contests coming up soon, so let it go, and move on. They can't do the same thing in Indiana, because Clinton doesn't have a big lead in the state. What will be interesting is if they give Obama the same kind of treatment if the race tightens in NC, but he hangs on to win. The odds are that Barack will win NC by double digits, so we won't find out.
- theaceoffire, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2"Clinton had a major comeback by only losing by 30%!"
I have no doubt they can spin it.- clarionhaze, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1Right. No media outlet mentioned that Hillary's 'big' Pennsylvania win was actually brought down from a projected 29 point lead to just 9. But having a clear winner right now doesn't make news. Lets draw this out until the DNC then the pundits can start deciding our president for us.
- theaceoffire, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2"Clinton had a major comeback by only losing by 30%!"
- hostingpursual, on 04/24/2008, -4/+23Hillary is done with. Don't let the media fool you. I remember before tuesday we all knew what the result was going to be and the media kept saying how the clinton campaign was going to spin it if it happened the way it did happen. Now that tuesday has come and pass, the media is spinning it the way they said it would, making you think that she's some how still has a chance. She has no chance at all. The super delegates will not go against the peoples votes.
- joeanon, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2It's fairly ridiculous to think the media wants Hilary to win after they've bombarded her with GOP slander for decades.
This is NOT a contest between Hilary and Obama.
It's a contest between American and the media. The media is always on... WHOEVER'S side they think will get them more MONEY.... usually that's ratings.
I think it will all have an unintentional effect when it comes general election time... the public will be like..
McCain who... I think it was Hilary or Obama for President.
This is not something political annalists have ever seen, so they have no real prediction that can be accurate.
Saying Hilary has no chance tell me a lot .. about YOU.
You are either a total Obama fanboy.... or you are new to politics and have no followed many elections.
Kerry was well ahead of Bush... then Swift Boat came out.
Many things could happen to Obama, even assassination or random health issues that might make him drop out. There is also plenty of time still for some great secret of Obama's past to come to light... or just a very successful propaganda attack.
Hilary is smart to stay in the race, as she proven in the face of you political newbies telling her to drop out. OOPs... looks like you guys don't really know much about winning an election... you just like Obama.
Well, ANYONE can promise change. If Obama can't win the primary without hateful fanboys supporting him, then he will likely also not have the power to construct meaningful change once in office.
In all reality.. Obama needs the practice or running for a major office like this. This ain't Illinois anymore.. boy.
I think you people are under a great disillusion that this election is somehow different than others before it.
It's not, candidates commonly run on ethics platforms and make endless amounts of promises for change. Candidates commonly take the high road approach against the elder politicians. There is ABSOLUTELY nothing new here, except lazy black voters are finally motivated to make their lives better and vote.
Well, that's all good, BUT if it takes a black man to get black people to vote... we a still screwed.
If it takes desperation to vote for hope... we are screwed.
Obama can't hold the nation together for more than 8 years. AND he is no FDR level character. Obama...is a politician. He is NOT a great leader who others would look pale in comparison. No matter how much you want him to be... Obama is not a genius politician with all the answers to the nation's problems behind his back.
He is just a guy, and since he is black he find it easier to symbolize change. Because not just his words, but even the color of his skin represent change.
But... lets face it... his skin color isn't going to fix the problems. We are not in a racial civil war. We are in a energy crisis. We need solution for the problems at hand, not the lacking ideals of the nation.
In 8 years..Obama cannot hope to cause permanent change to the culture of corruption.
His ONLY hope is to pull of such a major economic turn around that he gains the respect of all demographics.
Anything short of that will just be 8 years of him holding the nation together with duct tape and fancy speeches... and in my opinion... his speeches aren't even all that good anyway. I really would feel far FAR more respect if he was SPEAKING of solution rather than doing what everyone else does.... point out the problem.
Cmon.. how hard is it to point out the problems in a fancy speak... It's not. Even Reagan was a good speaker.
At the level of qualification.. Obama really isn't offering anything we particularly need beside his call for government reform..
But... how the HELL do you legislate that. You may as well try to legislate sex and violence out of the culture also. Power corrupt.... politicians have power.... therefore... politicians will always been corrupted. We don't pay congressmen ANYWHERE near enough for Corporate America's bribes to not be tempting. Many of them make less than your personal DR.. THOUGH... they work much MUCH less also, but still. All that down time is ... bribe time.
Obama can't change that. He can't make bribery ineffective. He can't legislate corruption out of the hearts of man. It's man that must make those choices individually. It's the PEOPLE who must change... not the government.
The corrupt government is NOTHING but a representation of the public's corrupt mindset. Their NEED for war, their hasty conclusions, their sensational stories.
The public LOVES that kind of stuff... they eat it up. Obama can't change that in 8 years.
He can only do what Bill Clinton did and take his 8 years and make the best of it for the nation. Hopefully.. generating a surplus or balancing the budget or moving the nation to biofuel and electric cars. Obama would also need to reverse the damage HE and congress did when voting for the Patriot Act.
He NEEDS to make tangible change to gain long term respect for his platform above and beyond his own term.
Real change is going to take 30-60 years.
- joeanon, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2It's fairly ridiculous to think the media wants Hilary to win after they've bombarded her with GOP slander for decades.
- lundeja, on 04/24/2008, -3/+23Of course the media twists it the way it does. It wants this thing to continue until August. Why? Well Duh. RATINGS. Without Hillary Headline, they will find it difficult to find stories that score them big ratings. Let's face it, a battle between Obama and McCain in the headlines would be far less bitter than one between Obama and Hillary. Why? Because it would mostly be a battle over issues like the economy, oil prices and the war in Iraq. Not who's preacher said the most shocking thing lately.
- diggeradoo, on 04/24/2008, -2/+12The Daily Show captures Hillary's evolving "strategy" to win
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Jon_Stewart_on_H ...
Keith Olberman unspins Hillary's spin
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Olbermann_Sheds_ ... - jbdobd, on 04/24/2008, -2/+9Hillary's numbers are as honest as her words.
- lundeja, on 04/24/2008, -1/+10in hillary's world 1+1 = 11
- JlmAWP, on 04/24/2008, -1/+7The media has been manufacturing a "close race" since Super Tuesday. We may have dishonestly issues with Clinton, but she doesn't hold a candle to the MSM.
- barfooz, on 04/25/2008, -2/+5Let's be honest here. It *is* a significant victory for her. She was outspent by 2 or 3 times in advertising, and managed to put up another victory in a populous state against the front runner. She's the underdog right now and she's ruining any sense of national momentum that Obama had a couple of months ago. That is exactly her goal, and she achieved it in this primary election. Clinton is striving to undermine Obama's sense of electability, and by drawing out the primary season she gives the media and her campaign time to draw out negative information about Obama. This is her only way to the nomination, and she knows it, and she is using it.
Despite this, Obama will be the nominee, barring a civil war at the convention. The problem then is that Obama is not connecting with working class Democratic voters. This is a severe problem for his electability because polls have shown that the number of Clinton supporters that would support McCain over Obama is higher than the number of Obama supporters that would support McCain over Clinton in a general election. National polling right now shows that either Democrat, though, would lose to McCain by at least 57% in the Electoral college. (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/)
The Democratic Party, and Obama's campaign, need to find some way of tackling this disconnect between Obama and the working class vote. Otherwise, he will not win the general election.- barfooz, on 04/25/2008, -1/+3Correction on the electoral college numbers: the current predictions give McCain a 288-250 victory in an Obama-McCain matchup and McCain a 298-240 victory in a Clinton-McCain matchup. If you don't believe the prediction, look at the poll numbers. The popular vote is not important, it's the swing states that matter in the Electoral College.
- mefromafar, on 04/25/2008, -3/+2Hillary had a 20 point LEAD going into PA and won by only 10. She had deep roots in PA and barely pulled out a double-digit win.
There is NO way any prediction can acuratly tell how bad McCain is going to lose. Once the majority of voters actually here him speak there will be no question. He's Bush 2 and everyone will see it.
- jtbndy, on 04/25/2008, -1/+4Polling indicates Obama with a slight +3 lead in Indy. Hopefully he wins both states so Clinton will have no saving grace of the May 6th primaries.
- smacksaw, on 04/25/2008, -2/+3Call me petty and pedantic in my desire to spread proper conjugation amongst the world, but this article has to be buried. Why? Because the word 'suppose' is missing a 'd' at the end.
Supposed.
Not once, but twice. And the second time, italicised for emphasis.
If you're going to do that, please use past-tense verbs properly. These articles are all roughly the same. This one's about 2 days past everyone else's observations. It's no major loss.- z0l0pht, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2I buried it because it comes off as petty whining. The media will do what the media wants. If Obama wins the next one, they'll spin it in his favor. If Clinton wins the next one, they'll spin it in her favor. They decide their material by the ratings they'll get, and you better believe that Clinton supporters out there are tuning into the MSM every night now, rather than avoiding the anti-Clinton spin of last week.
Don't worry, they'll come back around after the next primary.
- z0l0pht, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2I buried it because it comes off as petty whining. The media will do what the media wants. If Obama wins the next one, they'll spin it in his favor. If Clinton wins the next one, they'll spin it in her favor. They decide their material by the ratings they'll get, and you better believe that Clinton supporters out there are tuning into the MSM every night now, rather than avoiding the anti-Clinton spin of last week.
- brokenspatula, on 04/25/2008, -0/+155% to 45%, sounds pretty good to me
- rsek, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1It's starting to annoy me, the whole media coverage around those 2..
maybe one of them should stop fighting the other, and honestly, i don't care anymore who of both will win..
But better one does soon, and start campaigning against McCain, instead with eachother - rahamm, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2Know who else couldn't win by the rules? Our founding Fathers. Know why becuase they wanted every person to count. Let's count every person. NO TAXATION WITH OUT REPRESENTATION!
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