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Clinton plays race card, claims Obama has "white" problem

usatoday.com — "I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. "Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me" One word: Iowa

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  • azpat, on 05/08/2008, -5/+127Obama spokesman Bill Burton said that in Indiana, Obama split working-class voters with Clinton and won a higher percentage of white voters than in Ohio in March. He said Obama will be the strongest nominee because he appeals "to Americans from every background and all walks of life. These statements from Sen. Clinton are not true and frankly disappointing."

    Clinton rejected any idea that her emphasis on white voters could be interpreted as racially divisive.
    ^^^^^
    Is she serious? She knows what she says the media discusses. If she says it's all about race, then the media will talk about how it's all about race. Even if the numbers (see above) don't dictate it. Of course if she wanted us to talk about what the numbers dictate we'd be talking about how she has no chance of winning.
    • flink405, on 05/08/2008, -36/+10If Obama was white he would not be getting 90+% of the black vote.
      If 90+% of white people only voted for the white candidate, whites would be called racists.
      • MBDyer, on 05/08/2008, -6/+39That's funny because 100% of whites have been voting for white candidates for centuries.
        • kemp34, on 05/08/2008, -3/+15^^^ Idiots like you would make me vote Obama just because I'd want to spite such ignorance.
        • jrizzo, on 05/08/2008, -3/+4...hence, everyone thinks whites are racist.

          White Jesus art didn't help...
        • humperdeath, on 05/08/2008, -0/+8and 100% of men have been voting for male candidates for just as long. Now I (white male) don't know if I should vote my gender or my race. Such a quandry. . .
        • pingviini, on 05/08/2008, -2/+5>humperdeath

          Bros before Hos, man.
          'nuff said.
          • humperdeath, on 05/09/2008, -0/+3Right on!
            (am I allowed to say that?)
    • MacEnvy, on 05/08/2008, -1/+27If we continue with this type of logic, Obama's "white problem" (he only gets 40%) pales in comparison to Hillary's "black problem" (she only gets 10%). She should be more careful about which arguments she makes, as the pundits are no longer on her side and may start calling her out for these BS remarks.
      • jrizzo, on 05/08/2008, -1/+22"Obama's white problem...pales in comparison" LOL, pales.
      • curtisag, on 05/08/2008, -5/+4That's true. But it's also true that 9/10 blacks always vote for the Democrat, no matter who they are. Blacks simply don't vote for Republicans, period. Whereas whites are much more flexible about which side they support. Her basic argument has some degree of logic to it, but for her to win the nomination, she has to tear apart the party in the process and ensure her own defeat. Irregardless, the polling data does back up her claim she is more electable vs. McCain.
        • Pulch, on 05/08/2008, -4/+6Burried for irregardless. You're already without regard, what's the 'ir' for?
          • DustinHill, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2Thank you, I learned something.
          • curtisag, on 05/08/2008, -5/+4Burried for quibbling over minutia, and ignoring the point of my comment.
          • counterplex, on 05/08/2008, -2/+4@curtisag

            It's the minutiae that make any argument palatable. If you leave off a period or a comma or are otherwise using malformed language it damages any point you're trying to make. I flinched when I saw "irregardless" but wasn't going to care enough to reply to you but Pulch did. You should call it a lesson learned and move on instead of criticizing him.
          • curtisag, on 05/08/2008, -1/+4@counterplex

            Irregardless may not be a grammatically correct word, but it's not picked up as a misspelled word by Digg's spell check. People often times use grammar nazi tactics to deflect the point a person is trying to make here on Digg. We're typing comments on the internet, not writing a term paper or a newspaper article.
          • FatLoser, on 05/09/2008, -1/+3Irregardless is a word. Look it up in any accepted dictionary. I've had this conversation multiple times (actually witnessed it, wasn't a grammar nazi instigating such stupidity), and it always ends up with the person who thought they were so smart pointing out the use of a fake word, being shut the ***** down by Oxford ***** English Dictionary.

            http://www.askoxford.com/results/?view=dict&freese ...
          • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1@curtis: objection to the use of 'irregardless' is not minutia. It is rude to every single intelligent person that hears it.
            @FatLoser: That it has an entry in AskOxford only means that it's in use, not that it's a canonical part of the english language. As far as its meaning goes, it's ir-regard-less, or not (ir-) without (-less) regard. If it is, as you claim, a word, it was used improperly.

            Oh, and: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irregardles ... ; usage considered nonstandard.
          • Pulch, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1I'm well within my rights to use diggs and buries for rewards and demerits as I see fit. Irregardless is one of the few word misuses uses that really gets on my nerves, so I chose to bury you for it. As a result, DustinHill learned something new, that alone was worth the post. Thank you Dustin.
        • schneidafunk, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1You are using faulty logic but I understand where you are coming from. curtisag is correct that 90% of black people will vote for democrats regardless of the nominee whereas white people are more flexible. In addition there are a lot more white people in America than black people. It's still a stupid thing for her to say though, as a white person I am offended by her statement. I'm also one of those "flexible" white guys who will vote for McCain if Clinton becomes the nominee. However, I will vote for Obama if he becomes the nominee.
        • fearphage, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Most people (of any race) aren't republican because they don't own enough property and aren't in the right wage brackets.
        • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1Heh. Looking at it in terms of race is insulting to your fellow Americans. I like to think that the great majority of us are capable of deciding things on percieved merit, rather than on skin tone or gender.
      • dragon76, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2I think the reality of the situation is to look at the percentages of Caucasians to Blacks in America and then the percentage of registered Caucasian voters who actually vote to the percentage of registered Black voters who actually vote to get an idea of whether or not her statement is valid, you need to look past the truthiness of the rebuttal.
    • blinkatron, on 05/08/2008, -1/+10Just because Hillary says something isn't racially divisive doesn't mean it isn't
    • dracken, on 05/08/2008, -4/+22Olbermann said it best the other day, I dont know whether to cry or laugh
      "Only one vote really matters is the 50 something who is a conservative registered democract who is not an independant, but not a part of the base, and skipped college so that they could go straight into teaching, rather than become a casino worker, who votes on domestic issues but not in a primary or a caucus, in a big state that doesnt border Illinois, that has elected female governors and members of congress, but didnt vote republican in 2004, wont vote republican in 2008 and and didnt vote for Jesse Jackson in 1984 or 1988 during all day voting except during 7 and 7:15pm .... and who dont object to their votes being overruled by super delegates."
      • counterplex, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2By the end of that I was so confused I just _had_ to digg your comment up :)
        • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1Thank good ol' Keith for that nigh-incomprehensible diatribe (which was intentionally so, as a vaguely comedic way to sum up the remainder of the rant in question).
    • vinnyvenus, on 05/08/2008, -12/+3There might be some truth in her statement. Obama is going to loose West Virginia and Kentucky by probably huge margins. Both of these states contains huge population of white working class population. I am not dissing Obama , but it's a very bad sign if Obama can't win these votes because it is virtually impossible for democrats to get elected without winning without without working class votes.
      When Maccain sealed the republican nomination, he won remaining states with huge margins. Same thing cannot be said about Obama.
      • barnett25, on 05/08/2008, -4/+6To be fair, it's actually the racist vote that he is failing to get in those states.
        • vinnyvenus, on 05/08/2008, -11/+6So If a white person doesn't vote for Obama,he is racist.
          • TheG2, on 05/08/2008, -6/+9No, you see, in the deep south, people still think black people should have jobs where they get paid nothing and are property...jackass
          • vinnyvenus, on 05/08/2008, -1/+9West Virginia is not deep south. If you knew your civil war history you should also know that WV is a union state which separated from southern states. WV fought against slavery in civil war.
          • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/08/2008, -2/+3And then keep electing Klansman Robert Byrd (Democrat) to the senate?
          • oldgal, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3I am 65 and believe me my generation and the older ones are much more racist (both blacks and whites) than the younger generations. That is why if we want a more peaceful world we need leadership from a younger world-view. It is time to leave the old baggage behind.
          • theaceoffire, on 05/09/2008, -0/+2@ TheG2.
            I was born in the South (Alabama), and I am a strong supporter of equal rights for women, all races, and all sexual preferences.

            I believe that racism in general is not as bad as it used to be, not just in my state but all the South.
          • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1Actually, while racism is not nearly as much of a problem as it once was, there are more hold outs in rural areas than metropolitan, and as such, states with low population density, like WV, there is likely to be a larger influence from racism. This was easily seen in PA - where a large number of republicans swapped parties to vote for Hillary out of a combination of political manipulation a la Rush and other factors, one of which I assume is race.

            Mind you, in the general election, McCain won't get the artificial support that Hillary is getting; my guess is that when all the cards are laid down, even a good portion of repulicans are going to see McCain for the shell-shocked old coot he is, while the democrats hold to the party lines and the independants vote sanely.

            @oldgal: I'm glad to know that some of the older generation is in favor of letting go of the reigns.
          • TheG2, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that all of the south is racist (I'm technically from Florida and am not), but there are still lots of things/cases in the south that are obviously quite racist.
        • warnergt, on 05/08/2008, -1/+4To be fair, it's actually the white racist vote that he is failing to get in those states. He carries the black, racist vote in every state.
      • elipabst, on 05/08/2008, -0/+11How did he win Iowa? Last time I checked it had an extremely large white, working-class population. I think her popularity with "whites" in states like PA,WV and FL isn't so much that they're white, but that they're old (they're the top 3 in people over 65).
        • vinnyvenus, on 05/08/2008, -3/+2Iowa was Cacus not a primary. Again, he has not won the core democratic votes ( working Class White Vote) Also, according to polls, huge chunk these white working class people might vote republican in November if Obama is the nominee. That would be a huge blow to democrats in swing states like Florida, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania.
          • elipabst, on 05/09/2008, -1/+2Wisconsin? Missouri? Utah? Those were not caucus states and they have large white working class populations.

            Those people will likely still vote Democrat once the primary nonsense is behind them and they have the choice of Obama or a 3rd term of Bush.
      • cranium, on 05/08/2008, -0/+3I can't believe you guys are still making that ***** argument. You do realize there's a huge difference between a primary and a general election? Just because they prefer Hillary over Obama doesn't necessarily mean they'll prefer McCain over Obama. Duh.
    • JettaMan, on 05/08/2008, -18/+7Obama made it about race when he sat in a church for 20 years listening to his pastor rail against white America. When Oprah decided she would campaign for Obama, it was because he was black. She didn't get excited about Edwards. The things Michelle Obama and Barack say in public are scary. Imagine what they actually think in their minds. I know you Obamatards will digg this down, but eventually you will have to stop evading reality.
      • Wartyboskfapped, on 05/08/2008, -5/+9Blah blah blah blah. We've heard it before and nobody cares. Talk to me about Hagee and we'll get somewhere, otherwise cut out the failed Wright smear attempt *****, that dog won't hunt.
      • brstilson, on 05/08/2008, -6/+12Oh here we go, more ranting about black liberation theology from someone who knows nothing about it. If Martin Luther King were alive today, he'd be painted just as racist as Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.

        Let's also not forget that the Clintons made use of Wright's marriage counseling services during the Lewinsky scandal.
      • m0tbaillie, on 05/09/2008, -1/+1Who cares if Oprah was excited about Obama running and not Edwards? This was Edwards' second presidential bid. I'm excited as ***** that a black man is not only running, but is going to win the presidency - I'm ***** STOKED -- AND I'm white! Put *that* in your pipe and smoke it.
        • azpat, on 05/09/2008, -1/+2Edwards lost to Kerry who lost to Bush who *should have* lost to McCain. Therefore I had no reason to think Edwards would beat McCain.
          Obama inspires me. You can discount that all you want, but that means a lot to me. For the first time I found a politician who actually treats me like an adult. He actually wants to talk to the other side. He actually thinks about things rather than using his gut (Bush), or consulting the polls (Clinton).
        • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -1/+1*****, I'm a middle class white boy, and *I* was excited at the prospect of a black man running for president.

          Something in me said, "I hope this happens. I hope he wins, and I hope he shakes up the mess the ignorant top-squatting assholes have put us in." (referring, of course, to the last eight years of WTF politics)

          And then Clinton made her bid, and I thought, "Oh. Well, that's going to make the race interesting. I hope she's able to restore her credibility enough to give a good fight." (this was fresh off the heels of her call for game censorship; I, and I think anyone under thirty, was not pleased)

          The rest of them, I didn't give a half-*****. Sorry to say, but Edwards and the rest, I just couldn't bring myself to care.
          • JettaMan, on 05/09/2008, -1/+1Good luck. A change of skin color will not change the status quo because Obama is all for the status quo (big intrusive government). He wants to expand government even more! You need a change of IDEAS. Ron Paul is the only candidate who actually has those ideas.
    • boonesfarm, on 05/08/2008, -3/+9You can't have it both ways. Is America full of racists who ultimately won't vote for a candidate who's half black, or is Hillary wrong... and there's no obstacle for Obama? Whichever angle works for Obama and his supporters at that given time is my guess. Diggers whine about rev. wright, tabloid politics, and Fox News. But 90% of the political posts on Digg lately are Obama hand-job submissions or mud thrown at Republicans.Just because usatoday.com is the source, don't let a submitters title of "Clinton plays race card" strike you as anything but disingenuous hyperbole.
      • cranium, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2Puh-leeze. She said she should be the nominee because white voters like her better. How the hell is that NOT racist?
      • netant, on 05/09/2008, -2/+11) There's only one way to tell if America is a majority of racists or not. Let Obama get the nomination, and see if he wins or not against McCain.

        2) "Just because usatoday.com is the source, don't let a submitters title of "Clinton plays race card" strike you as anything but disingenuous hyperbole."

        Now you're being the liar. "As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me." The submitter's title was appropriate. And the article's gist was how people interpreted her statement. Also, you would be a liar if you asserted that people aren't racist anymore because they don't make colored people slaves and don't call them the N word. Racism is a collective action against another group of people based on their race or ethnicity. If the only criteria you can give for not voting for a candidate is that he's black, then that is an obvious problem with racism.
        • JettaMan, on 05/09/2008, -1/+3Ah, I see, if we don't vote for Obama we are racists. ***** you.
          • netant, on 05/09/2008, -2/+1If you vote against Obama, and you can't adequately express a rationale against voting for him, then yes, you are a racist.

            If you support the Iraq occupation, and attacking Iran, then yes, I can understand why you would vote for McCain. If you've been a diehard Bush supporter all through his term, then yes, I can understand why you would vote for McCain. Or, "McCain is an honorable vet, that's my criteria for preferring him, and I voted for Kerry in the last election", then I can't say it racism on that basis.

            But if its, "McCain will spend less than Obama", or "Obama's preacher makes me think Obama is racist", or "Obama is not experienced enough, but I have no problem with a guy who can't even get facts straight", then you are either a liar or an incredible moron AND PROBABLY a racist.

            Go ***** yourself. You're already ***** over the country voting for McCain or Clinton.
  • CouchTomato, on 05/08/2008, -5/+53I'm wondering if this could be a case of sleep deprivation doing the talking. Such arguments from her is bound to break up the electorate irreparably for the democrats. If the superdels don't wheel her out in the next 24 hrs there is something seriously wrong with the way the party is run from the top.
    • ZandorMonkeyBoy, on 05/08/2008, -9/+3Howard Dean is in charge so, yeah, there is something seriously wrong with the way the party is run from the top.

      He's still better than Terry "Used Car Salesman" McAulliffe.
      • dafragsta, on 05/08/2008, -7/+7"Howard Dean is in charge so, YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH, there is something seriously wrong with the way the party is run from the top. "

        Fixed. ;)
        • dafragsta, on 05/08/2008, -0/+4It's OK to make fun of Dean for being incompetent, but not because he's kinda crazy?
      • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2The scary thing is that Dean could have been the nominee. The guy can't even handle run the nomination process, and he wanted to be President?
    • alk509, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2I don't think superdelegates will "wheel her out" outright. We'll probably see a daily trickle of superdelegates toward Obama, but just enough to make the final couple of primaries be the clincher for him. That way the superdelegates have plausible deniability to the charge that they decided the race instead of the electorate.
    • SpookyPig, on 05/08/2008, -0/+5It's cause she keeps on answering those damn phones at 3 Am
    • ferrariman60, on 05/08/2008, -3/+2As a Democrat, I just hope that their infighting doesn't fracture the party to the point of giving the keys to the White House back to the Republicans. I'm an Obama supporter myself, but if Hilary were the nominee, I'd vote for her. In a heartbeat. There's a lot of strong Anti-Hilary Sentiment on Digg, and I'm wondering, what kind of proportions of Obama supporters would vote for Hilary if she gets the pick? And vice versa, for that matter.

      Again, I'd prefer Obama, but damn, McCain seems like just more of the same damn ***** that Bush has been doing. But without the fake Texas accent. I guess that's some kind of improvement, right?
      • akatsuki, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2I might vote for her... but after the calculated racist nonsense from her campaign and her constant moves right, it would be hard. Universal healthcare is the only reason I could see gritting my teeth to do it, and I have a feeling she would sell it out too. I wouldn't vote for McCain, but I could see voting write-in or third party just because I personally think she has already gone past the point of unforgivability.
      • cwgannon, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2I'll stand in line to vote for Obama, but I'll stay at home for Hillary v McCain because I figure I should let somebody who can see a meaningful difference between those two do the voting for me.
      • cranium, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2I'm backing Obama, but if Hillary steals this nomination I'm voting Republican all the way down the ballot. If she just gets the VP nomination, I'm voting for McCain. It's not her positions that bother me, it's the fact that she's a complete crook.
  • FlaG8r, on 05/08/2008, -3/+39This is getting absolutely no play in the MSM other than in the original USA Today article. People that see this for what it is need to be contacting super delegates as well as MSM outlets.
  • kithogan, on 05/08/2008, -7/+164WE're white and we hate her. Has she lost her mind? She's the number one race baiter in 2008. Go home Hillary and take the Big Dog with you. It's OVER
    • Jambi, on 05/08/2008, -3/+19To be honest, I couldn't care less whether or not she's a race baiter. I don't like her because she's a Boomer liberal with an ego comparable to that of Dick Cheney or "Jesus talks to me" Bush. Not that I support Obama, but if she wins the presidency, we'll see a rehash of the Dubya years, only with someone who's more adept at wielding the expanded government powers instituted by our ***** government over the last decade or so.
      • brstilson, on 05/08/2008, -1/+4If I were to ever debate with Bill O'Reilly about NSA surveillance, I'd ask that while they may not worry about the Bush administration listening to their calls, do they REALLY feel comfortable with a Hillary Clinton administration with that kind of power?

        What these conservative blockheads (and I'm not knocking all conservatives, I'm just saying these particular ones are blockheads) don't realize is that the power grab by the Bush administration isn't a temporary thing. It isn't something you only have to worry about the current president abusing, you have to worry about ALL FUTURE presidents, too.
      • vade79, on 05/08/2008, -3/+1Hillary sucks, but a rehash of bush? That's a tall order and I don't see it.
      • SuicideMouse, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1No, I do agree that it could be a rehash of Bush, just scarier in my opinion.
        It's an unsettling thought so I will end on this note: Obama will win.
      • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1Thank you for the outing of boomer liberals (and boomers in general). Something dead wrong with the way they seem to have been taught to think. I can never seem to quit put my finger on it, but I dunno. You can give a boomer all the evidence, and they still seem to come to the wrong conclusions.
    • curiousgrge, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Someone needs to remind Hillary that Barack's mom is Caucasian. Same goes for the media that portrays Tiger Woods as if he is only black and not a mix of African-American and Thai descent.
    • Tayls, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1I'm white and I love my ass some Obama. I think she should play the gender card next, just to lose any remaining(?) credibility.
  • arrivaltime, on 05/08/2008, -7/+82Yes, please, talk to us more about how people without a college education love you. Shout it from the roof tops.
    • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/08/2008, -17/+3Yes, please talk to us more about how your college-educated, multi-million-dollar-a-year-earing-hero thinks all white people are "typical" and "breed to hate black" and how all the blue collar white folks are oppressing people of color like millionaire Barrack. Shout it from the roof tops.

      What ever happened to Democrats claiming to be the party of the common man?
      • arrivaltime, on 05/08/2008, -2/+6Full quote of that, cited, please.

        By the way, Hillary is also a college educated, multi-million-dollar-a-year-earning candidate.
        • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/08/2008, -13/+2You must be the only person in America who didn't watch Obama's speech on race where he threw his grandmother under the bus.
        • arrivaltime, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3I'm asking for a full cited quote. I'm not saying I don't know what you're referring to.
        • Phyraxus, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Some peoples' grandmothers are a bitch and deserve it?
      • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -1/+1Eh. Typical pub troll.
    • BrendanSheehan, on 05/08/2008, -1/+9I was just thinking that. Educated people like Obama, the uneducated like Hillary. I think she's kind of missing the point.
    • Lukesed, on 05/08/2008, -4/+6"White voters without diplomas support Hillary."

      FIXED: Rush Limbaugh listeners support Hillary.
      • patpl22391, on 05/08/2008, -3/+3Rush Limbaugh's audience was found to be the second most informed (just behind Weekly Standard and New Republic).
        http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageI ...
        (scroll down about 2/3's of the way to see the list)
        • Phyraxus, on 05/08/2008, -3/+2"The three questions asked respondents which party has a majority in the U.S. House of Representatives (Republicans); the name of the current U.S. Secretary of State (Condoleezza Rice); the name of the current president of Russia (Vladimir Putin). See Section VI, "Other Findings," for further analysis of the public's knowledge of these items."
          These questions don't seem pro-republican at all...
          • patpl22391, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2This is basic information. You would think Democrats who complain about them all time, would know the names of the people they hate.
          • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -1/+1We do. We just answer with much more snark than any survey is prepared to handle.

            I can just see your typical anti-Bush-and-Co human: "Ummmm... her name has something to do with grain, right? Something, something... uhh, Millet?" while his friends snicker off in the background.
    • MrTito, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1I'm a white guy, middle-income, hardworking college dropout and from Alabama. I've been supporting Obama before he even declared. She can go to hell.
  • TonyStark, on 05/08/2008, -5/+174Comments and insinuations like these are why people are calling for her to bow out gracefully. She is counting on his failure, rather than her own success. She is riding the coat tails of her husband's presidency. She is counting on division rather than unity, pitting Whites, Blacks and Hispanics against one another. I am an American of Puerto Rican descent and my great regret is that the Puerto Rican people will vote for her out of allegiance to her husband. Why should she bow out? Look at the mindset that she is pandering to - divide and conquer, win at all costs, nothing else matters. Dirty up the other guy, wait for him to misstep and pounce. We need a change - that message seems naive to some, but I am a 41 year old father of two sons and I want better for them. Hope is not a dirty word. Obama '08
    • DeadFox1, on 05/08/2008, -2/+11well said. well said.
    • slug007, on 05/08/2008, -1/+8Bravo, Tony!
    • BrendanSheehan, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3Worthy of a friend add, good job!
    • benjony, on 05/08/2008, -7/+1I'm Puerto Rican by birth, and I haven't met one Puerto Rican in NY who is voting for Hillary. Hows that for fear of your people. Don't make us seem ignorant, I don't welcome that stereotype especially from my own ethnic peers.
      • TonyStark, on 05/08/2008, -0/+3responding to benjony-
        regret is not fear - I said that I regret that it appears that (according to the polls) the Puerto Rican people will vote for her out of allegiance to Bill Clinton - not on her merits. How is that a stereotype?
        • benjony, on 05/08/2008, -2/+1I completely agree with the rest of your comment. And the stereotype is "the Puerto Rican people will vote for her out of allegiance to her husband". You just bunched us all up and threw us under the bus. That is just my opinion.
          It doesn't matter to me that I get dugg down. But I felt offended when I read that. While your intentions might not be to offend and just to make a point (which was made), I think you could have left that part out.
          And your right regret is not fear that just goes to show you my interpretation of your comment.
          I definitely don't want to be included as part of that statement.
          I'm sure our opinions towards the presidency are very similar so why let one, comment cloud that. If I could have sent a private message I would, or maybe you can I just don't know how to. I didn't comment for diggs public entertainment.
      • TonyStark, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1I made a statement ( not a stereotype ) based on fact - polls show Puerto Rico will go for Clinton, my belief is that this is due to a misguided allegiance to Bill Clinton. Facts should not offend. Bill Clinton commuting of the sentences of the FALN was politically based on the fact that Hillary was running for Senate in New York. Anyway, pandering to the people of West Virgina by saying that her measure of electability is based on her ability to draw white voters is divisive. Obama has pulled people in from every race and age group.
    • Charron, on 05/08/2008, -0/+5See, people? Iron Man gets it.
    • kittyrose83, on 05/08/2008, -0/+0thanks for sharing your view on this.
    • roozta, on 05/09/2008, -0/+0Word brother.
  • dixieedd, on 05/08/2008, -38/+10as long as one can back up one's comments with unarguable documentation and facts, then where is the argument...where is the debate...where is the racism? with over 90% of blacks supporting obama,that seems much closer to racism than what she is saying...particularly given the fact that he has a VERY thin resume,and questionable history....and by the way...I AM NOT A HILLARY SUPPORTER!
    • ironhide, on 05/08/2008, -7/+4Drop dead.
    • JanYpe, on 05/08/2008, -3/+7Good ol' Dixie eh?
      • ObamaWins08, on 05/08/2008, -3/+1hmmm not quite unlike Obama Osama with the word play?
        • brstilson, on 05/08/2008, -3/+4You know, Bush is a German name. Hitler was German. Hmmmmm could they be brothers?
    • yojiffyskippy, on 05/08/2008, -13/+4It is okay for the Obama's and Wrights to be racist. It's payback for the days of slavery. It's some kind of weird karma or something that I don't quite understand. And this may or may not be okay but what isn't okay is someone being labeled a racist because they point out the obvious. Anyone that fails to realize that Obama is popular with the Black Democrats and Hillary is popular with the White Democrats is just an ignorant buffoon. That is just the reality that we live in today. I personally don't think either one of them is electable. Obama isn't because he will be portrayed as a racist anti-American (mostly true but partially exaggerated) and Hillary will be portrayed as a mean and hateful vindictive man-hater (also mostly true but partially exaggerated). And unless there's a Reverend "Racist" Wright in McCain's closet, he'll be able to exploit the racist divisions in the Democratic party.
      • RonBurgundy76, on 05/08/2008, -4/+5See, Rev Hagee.
        • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/08/2008, -4/+4#1 One Presidential candidate goes to a church for 20 years with a doctrine of racial superiority that is commit ed to advancing racial values, gives the preacher almost $100,000, makes him part of his campaign, and tells the whole world (including in his book) about how great the preacher is and how they are BFFs.

          #2 One Presidential candidate seeks the endorsement of a crazy preacher because he know it will help him get more votes, but doesn't give the guy any money, or change his positions to get the endorsement.

          One is bad, one is despicable.
        • OralCavity, on 05/08/2008, -2/+1racial superiority? really? do you know a single thing about what happened in that church or are you just spouting off crap that you read on redstate.com???
      • brstilson, on 05/08/2008, -4/+6"And unless there's a Reverend "Racist" Wright in McCain's closet,"

        Ladies and gentlemen, I give you REVEREND JOHN HAGEE!!
        He's a Christian zealot that wants the US to invade Iran so Armageddon can start. He believes in the supremacy of the Jews, and that they have a divine right to Israel.

        Personally, I find John Hagee the reprehensible one. A man so callous towards the lives of those that don't belong to his religion (wanting to nuke Iran in all) goes against everything Jesus supposedly taught. The scary thing is is Hagee has the political connections to make it happen.

        I almost want him to get his way. If it weren't for the horrendous loss of life, I'd love to see his face when Armageddon doesn't happen and the whole world is even more pissed off at us. People like him should really get a life. Predicting the end of the world is soo 19th century.
        • DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/08/2008, -4/+3Atheists should get life. Making fun of Christians is soo 20th century. Us agnostics have moved on, and could care less if someone believes in a skygod.
          • brstilson, on 05/09/2008, -1/+2Sorry, but I'm concerned about a nutjob like this having access to some of the most powerful politicians in this country. If he was just another "the end is nigh" weirdo hanging out on some street corner then I wouldn't give two ***** about him. But someone who preaches hate and war to a congregation of 18,000 and is well-connected politically, yeah, I'm just a wee bit concerned because his craziness has the potential to affect me.
    • drowningfish, on 05/08/2008, -2/+4Rs yew dem dere one of dem unedumacated folk?
    • queotic, on 05/08/2008, -1/+4You're right - let's look at the unarguable facts; Obama has won the whitest states in this country (Maine, Vermont, Kansas, Iowa, Alaska etc) and in quite a few of those primaries, he won by HUGE margins. If he "can't get the white vote," then how he could possibly have won states whose black populations are under 5%? How could he have won 32 out of 47 contests if white people weren't supporting him? Are we forgetting that the majority of the people in this country are white and working class?

      Your defense of Clinton might make sense if her campaign didn't have a history of race baiting.

      *Bill Clinton comparing Obama's win in SC to Jesse Jackson's, indirectly labeling Obama as the "black candidate."

      *Geraldine Ferraro stating that Obama is winning only because he's black, basically saying that the Senator is an Affirmative Action candidate.

      *Gov Ed Rendall, a vocal Clinton supporter, saying that Obama can't win PA because Pennsylvanians are too racist to vote for a black man (nevermind that it could be the majority of people supported her for other reasons).

      *Her Latina supporter who said Obama couldn't win Texas because Latinos don't like blacks (she won the primary, but he won the caucus and netted more delegates, thereby winning Texas).

      *HRC criticizing Obama for the Wright controversy, which was an attempt to paint Obama as the stereotypical "angry black man" (why else would 7 year old footage which Obama had already denounced be given so much media coverage?) Even though she knows his black father was not really in his life and that he was raised by his white mother and white grandparents in a very white state and that he is not and cannot be racist, she added fuel to the Wright fire by saying, "He wouldn't have been my pastor," even though her husband's administration invited Wright to the Whitehouse when Bill was in trouble over the Lewinsky affair.

      *HRC's Iowa office releasing that Obama-Is-A-Muslim email smear (she ended up fire two of her staffers for releasing it).

      *When Hillary was asked, "Is Obama Muslim?" her response was, "No, he's not.....as far as I know," even though she DAMN SURE knows he isn't. By adding, "...as far as I know," she was not-so-subtly stating that he could be lying about his religion.

      *Bill Clinton accused Obama of "playing the race card" on a radio interview, but denied it the next day, not realizing that the audio was already online.

      Clinton has repeatedly & unapologetically race baited this entire campaign, yet Obama is the one who gets accused of "playing the race card."

      And please, please, PLEASE do not refer to black people voting for Obama as "racist." What's racist is the fact that it took this country over 150 years after the Emancipation Proclamation to be ready to vote for a black man as President. Black people are excited and that finally, for the first time, one of their own has a legitimate chance to make it to the highest office of the land and are supporting him the way that Catholics overwhelmingly supported JFK when he became the first Catholic president.
      • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1DAMNED. *****. STRAIGHT.

        Sorry, you've so much content there, I've nothing to add. That was a brilliant analysis of Hillary's nigh-Scientologist level tactics up to this point.
      • brstilson, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1Obama is just as much a white man as he is a black man. He's bi-racial. I see him as more than just a "black candidate." Not only is his blood diverse, but his body of experience is, too. He's lived as a white farmer in Kansas, and a black social activist in Chicago. He's even lived overseas. He's had way more life experience than Hillary "silver spoon" Clinton. He's the kind of person that will go a long way to bridge the black and white communities, because he truly understands both.
  • BufordT, on 05/08/2008, -4/+30FTA: As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

    What is the AP's criteria for a distinction between "working" and "hard-working" Americans? It looks to me like they are trying to make the sentence longer to make it appear he is having support troubles among more groups.
    • MacEnvy, on 05/08/2008, -0/+7That wasn't the AP writer, that's a quote from Hillary. She's certainly trying to make it sounds like he's having more trouble than he is, that's kind of the point.
    • jjgasp, on 05/08/2008, -0/+5"Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans...", seems to imply that Obama's support is among lazy, shiftless blacks. And to think they used to embrace Bill Clinton and considered him the first black president.
  • speakerfordead, on 05/08/2008, -6/+106I'm white and I support Obama. Crap like this, and McCain, is a reason why.
    • zepher5150, on 05/08/2008, -2/+17Ditto.
    • Xanrez, on 05/08/2008, -1/+15Ditto.
    • kemp34, on 05/08/2008, -0/+15Not a big Obama fan here, but BS like this would make me want to vote for him more. Hillary Clinton is terrible.
    • Mejari, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3http://faqsmedia.ign.com/faqs/image/ani132.gif
    • pyro789x, on 05/08/2008, -1/+4Instead of all of us filling up this thread with "ditto", let's just digg up speakerfordead, alright?
    • anatraj, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2I'm not white, so I can't say ditto. But I'll digg you up for supporting Obama.
    • Stevo23, on 05/08/2008, -0/+6Wait, so if I voted for Obama does that mean I have to turn in my white-person card? Now how will I get into the country club!?!?!
      • jon30041, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1... Dude. Golf and tennis suck. Go play hockey.
      • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+2"Wait, so if I voted for Obama does that mean I have to turn in my white-person card?"

        Eh, it's not so terrible. I gave mine up ages ago. You get to enjoy the company of all sorts of people, without the uncomfortableness that comes with overstating a given label. While I was at it, I gave up my 'male' card and my 'geek' card. None of these actions make me any less white, male, or geeky (indeed, while I don't have the card, I am branded with the geekiest tattoo you can imagine), but ignoring the labels that you are given is far more liberating than any sort of arbitrary-attribute 'pride'.

        ps. I think that racial / gender / class 'pride' is a farce; it's distinctly silly to have pride in something you didn't have to work for. I guess that's what you do when you never accomplish anything of your own.
  • davidg11, on 05/08/2008, -30/+8I'm a Republican, and I find this democrat battle hilarious.
    Neither Obama nor Hillary can win the general election. Why?

    Obama can not win the white, male blue collar vote.Nor the senior citizen vote (he's black..time to admit seniors ARE race biased and have a larger voting block than the 40 and under!)
    Hillary can not win the under 40 and independent vote. And she's so polarizing to republicans, they will come out in swarms against her.

    All McCain has to do is simply choose a young libertarian or moderate minded republican, economically conservative with executive experience, and this election is in the bag for him. But NOT socially conservative. If he chooses a Huckabee type, he's doomed.

    McCain isn't going to choose Ron Paul, of course. However he can choose someone who is an economic conservative who isn't seen as a warmonger. That clinches his victory.
    • zepher5150, on 05/08/2008, -5/+14"More of the Same McCain" is NOT going to win...Even if Hillary cheated her way in the nomination..she would beat McCain. America is way beyond tired to let another Republican brag this country down even further then the Bush Adminstration has....Unless you like paying $4 bucks a gallon, can't afford food at the supermarket and believe war is the answer...and oh yeah..good luck trying to sell a house in today's market.

      No America's had enough....It is time for Change.
      • scubaman5000, on 05/08/2008, -5/+2Agreed, McCain doesn't stand a chance in hell of becoming president. I don't think this country wants another 4 years of Bush.
        • vinnyvenus, on 05/08/2008, -2/+7Polls say otherwise. Maccain is beating Obama in nearly all the key swing states while he is loosing to Hillary in Florida and Ohio.
          • Wartyboskfapped, on 05/08/2008, -4/+4ooh, it's way too early to start being so puffed up. McCain hasn't even been in the ring, yet. Do you really think that little old man who can't remember which raghead is which is going to stand a chance against *any* Democrat once the race settles down? If you do, you probably also thought the Iraq war was gonna go swimmingly.
          • vinnyvenus, on 05/08/2008, -2/+3Wartyboskfapped, were you one of those people who said GW Bush will not get reelected? We all know how that turned out.
          • scubaman5000, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3Once Hillary is out of the way the polls will change dramatically.
          • hobophobe, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2"said GW Bush will not get reelected? We all know how that turned out."

            One need only look at the Democrat's nominee for 2004 to know exactly why Bush was reelected. We all remember how close 2004 was. A stronger candidate would have made all the difference then.
        • yojiffyskippy, on 05/08/2008, -3/+6That's what they said about GW in 2000....... AND 2004. Never underestimate the ability of the Democratic party to self destruct. It's a party of racial division and class warfare that eats itself from the inside out.
    • ProfessorSYM, on 05/08/2008, -2/+6You will find yourself sadly surprised in November.
      • yojiffyskippy, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2I will be sad in November because none of the three are good for the country. But one thing I won't be is surprised.
    • h3lx, on 05/08/2008, -3/+8White, Blue Collar, Gun Fanatic, Marine, and Texan. Fully voting for Obama since Paul's bid went to *****.

      The alternatives are nothing but *****.
      • Clydesdale, on 05/08/2008, -0/+5Hooah bro :) Right there with you, except th Texan part....but I wont hold that against you ;)
      • Julik, on 05/08/2008, -5/+2If you vote for Obama in Texas you might as well just stay home and save your gas.
        • RonBurgundy76, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2Scared much?
        • h3lx, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Clements Bush and Perry are the only three Republican Governors in the History of Texas. We're predominately Liberals. That whole cowboy/ Redneck Nascar ***** isn't really it. We have a bustling tech industry and more paved roads than all the other states combined (mildly exaggerated for effect). As for Skippy's little jib... The alternatives are *****. There's not a viable candidate so you have to put them all in one big steaming pile and go with the one with the fewest flies.

          Who are shilling for McCain? Seriously?... and what party does he actually represent? The "***** this country up even more" Party.
          • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1I always found the NASCAR types to be heavy-handed liberal / libertarian types. It always seems like, "Sure, sure, protect the borders and all, but really; government shouldn't be intertwined with religion, personal liberty, state matters, etc. I don't know about these social programs, but I'm paying taxes anyway, may as well do something useful with it."
      • yojiffyskippy, on 05/08/2008, -3/+6I hate to say this being an ex-Marine but you must be a real idiot. Anyone that could switch from Ron Paul to Obama clearly doesn't have a grasp of their positions because they are from two completely opposite ends of the political spectrum.
        • ooby, on 05/08/2008, -2/+4I disagree. If the deciding issue for someone is the Iraq War, then there is little policy difference.
          Some people may believe that either Paul’s or Obama’s proposed changes are superior to the status quo.
        • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1Paul and Obama speak to two sides of similar goals: to reduce governmental corruption. Paul recognizes that the US government has been corrupted by financial interests and intertwining allegiances. Obama recognizes that it's been corrupted by big buisness and lobby groups. Neither is wrong, but due to their differently identified problem spots, they have different tactics in mind. The war is a red herring here; it is a symptomatic wound in the US economy, and both Paul and Obama see that the wound must be treated and quickly - but that alone only identifies the candidates as competent. The real issue is that of working against internal corruption.

          So, as someone who's switched from Paul to Obama, that's my rationale. If you don't agree, that's cool - but please don't vote for McCain; that man is likely to take that cash hemorrhage and turn it into a horror flick.
    • NonLeftistDiggr, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2choose a moderate republican, so these days, he should choose Clinton, or maybe Bill richardson?
    • PopcornDave, on 05/08/2008, -0/+4McCain's victory is going to hinge solely on his choice of VP. Given his age, I suspect a lot of his voters are going to be looking at who could be president by default rather than who is elected president.
    • RuSTeDs, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1Are you Dr. Evil by any chance? It seems like you're planning on world domination...
      "Yes...yes!! All McCain has to do is this....then he has to a little bit of that...and finally after McCain does this, Obama and Hillary will be destroyed and the world will be mine! MINE!! muhuhuahahahaha!! No.2, how is the nuclear sub coming along?" *pets his cat*
  • zepher5150, on 05/08/2008, -3/+47Thanks for supporting the Democratic Party Hillary...I am white and just want the best person to represent the Democrats in Nov. America can' t afford another Republican to win the 2008 election. So, Hillary, everyone knows you are going to lose the nomination....why try to take Obama down with you...All you are doing now is dividing the Democrats and helping the ignorant right wingers of this country.

    It's time to bow out gracefully and come together for the common good.
    • PabloMac, on 05/08/2008, -8/+2"All you are doing now is dividing the Democrats..."
      Yeah, the Democrats aren't already divided.
      ...and helping the ignorant right wingers of this country."
      Surely the Democrats could have pushed a couple of better (more moderate like 90% of the population) candidates to the top than these two far-lefties. Who's really ignorant?
      • Mejari, on 05/08/2008, -1/+8I'm gonna go with... you.
      • byronne, on 05/08/2008, -2/+3"...two far-lefties"? What the hell are you talking about? Are you even paying attention?
        • PabloMac, on 05/08/2008, -3/+2Yes. Obama and Clinton are further left than the vast majority of Americans they claim to represent. Thanks for asking.
          • zepher5150, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1(more moderate like 90% of the population) candidates ....Like who?
    • NucleaRR, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Amen.
    • AresDiggs, on 05/08/2008, -3/+2"ignorant right wingers of this country"

      ***** you.
    • joatmon07734, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1"It's time to bow out gracefully and come together for the common good."

      It's a little too late for that, don't you think?
      • zepher5150, on 05/08/2008, -0/+0No...in fact hillary supporters need to be encoaurage to stand tall for the Democratic party more then ever. We need to all be in this together, The Right, is going to put up one heck of a fight come Nov. elections....trust me on that one.
    • runCMD, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1Zepher5150 - great post. Idiotic plan.
      I am white as well - and I want the BEST candidate for the office. From the inside out Hillary Clinton is that candidate. Unfortunately, Obama supporters throw vile negativity instead of reasonable contestable arrows at anyone that disagrees. Thank GOD America lets individuals have a voice - and choice in who they vote for. I am sorry you succumbed to the mob mentality and joined in support of Obama, someone I consider to be a bigot on the downlow. Something recently confirmed by the man that has known him as a friend for 20 years. Real choice and real change is what I chose to vote for this election. I prefer to win, but I prefer to do it with dignity intact. The suggestion that bowing out of the race brings the party together is ludicrous IF those yet to have their voices heard through their own votes cast is undemocratic and ultimately un-American.
    • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1I disagree; it's better that as much dirt on Obama comes out now - so that it's useless when the actual Rovians come to play. This race has been less a schism of the Democratic party and much more a cleansing trial by fire for Obama.
  • Ruler4you, on 05/08/2008, -11/+4Democrats have a fundamental problem with the 1 registered voter of voting age = 1 vote definition of "voting."
    Wasn't it the democratic ticket that had the problem in Florida in 2000? Guess who has a problem and where all over again?
    They don't care what wreckage they leave behind as long as they are on top of the heap looking away from the bodies.
    • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1The problem with florida this year is that they jumped the gun in violation of known party rules. That's it. I'm sorry, but I don't think anyone here has any sympathy for self-inflicted wounds - even gunshots.
  • dainfagerholm, on 05/08/2008, -1/+44It seems abundantly clear to me that Hillary truly believes Barack Obama cannot win because he is black. If this is her rationale for staying in the race, I would love to hear her explain it to her dwindling superdelegates. This is the nail in Hillary's coffin. Perhaps its been her tactic all along but she hasn't been as explicit. Not only is the MSM not covering this, but it will be interesting to see if liberal media outlets like Air America, Rachel Maddow, Tom Hartmann, and Randi Rhodes will cover this story.
    I am sure Mike Malloy will address this tonight on his show.

    It's no secret that there is racism in the United States, but I would love to hear how the Democrats (my party) addresses the racism in its OWN party.
    • zepher5150, on 05/08/2008, -1/+8Wow...Hillary is trying to use the white card. Really sad. We need to unite...not splinter into white voters black voters...we need to vote as Americans period. I don't care if Obama was purple...He inspires people and gives them hope that America can be great agian. I don't vote for just party lines...I vote for who I believe is the best person to represent America and after the shame that the Bush adminstration has put us all threw...I want change.
    • mom07, on 05/08/2008, -2/+4I absolutely agree with you. Sen. Obama knew this when he made the Philly speech on race. Hillary & Bill have both tried to sneak the race card in, now she is desperate and doesn't care what she says or does, if she can just get in the white house. Who wants that desperation answering the phone at 3am?
    • abortionsforall, on 05/08/2008, -2/+3She knows he can win, but she is hoping there are enough people out there that would not vote for a African American man. She is pandering to the lowest levels of American society by constantly bringin up race and labeling anyone with an education as an "ellite". it is disgusting.
    • absurdist, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2Dugg for Mike Malloy. Nova M Radio FTW!!!
    • Shabaka, on 05/08/2008, -4/+4Obama isn't black, he's African-American...similar, but not the same.
  • lopwise2, on 05/08/2008, -3/+21It is time that the superdelegates end Hillary Clinton's campaign before she implodes the Democratic Party. This election is not about Hillary Clinton. If the Democratic Party thinks it can regain the White House on the backs of a white only coalition, think again. Any democratic nominee is going to need a coalition to win and I would state that this coalition needs to include African-American voters. Clinton's statement is simply stating the African-American voters don't count. It is a white thing purely and simply.
    • ProfessorSYM, on 05/08/2008, -0/+3The problem is that the uncommitted superdelegates are intimidated by Clinton or scared of a backlash by the voters in their districts so they are trying to hold out until there is a clear nominee.

      Of course, we all know that Obama is that nominee, but as long as the media perpetuates the idea that Clinton still has a chance, they will refrain from making the decision.

      Which is completely the opposite of what they are supposed to do as superdelegates.
    • abortionsforall, on 05/08/2008, -1/+4Most of the superdelegates are looking out for themselves and no one else.
    • abortionsforall, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1Most of the superdelegates are looking out for themselves and no one else.
  • dinot, on 05/08/2008, -2/+42Wasn't it not too long ago that her supporters were accusing Obama and his campaign of always playing the race card? To that, I say "What do you think now, morons? Ever hear Obama say Clinton has a 'black' problem?"
    • yojiffyskippy, on 05/08/2008, -9/+1He doesn't have to say it. It is known. Everyone knows that the VAST majority (75-90% depending on the source) of the blacks are voting for him. And THAT is the problem. The Democratic party is racist and it is finally realizing that Hillary can't win without the black vote and Obama can't win without the white vote. Unfortunately they can't eliminate racism before November.
      • dinot, on 05/08/2008, -2/+7He DOES have the white vote. He just doesn't have the female, white, over-50, uneducated, narrow-minded vote.

        You know who else never really had that demographic? That's right: DEMOCRATS.
      • lukemann, on 05/08/2008, -1/+290% + of the African Americans in NC voted for Obama. If there is even a whiff of white people not voting for Barak then people start screaming racism. Yet he's getting all the African American vote and no one says a thing. So wherever he goes he gets however many % of votes that are African American for free. His problem will be that this isn't going to help him at all in the general election because most African Americans will generally vote democratic anyway. Go ahead and deny this all you want and digg me down, but you'll have to face the facts at some point.
        • dinot, on 05/08/2008, -2/+1"most African Americans will generally vote democratic anyway"

          So do most white democrats who put party before candidate.
        • amida, on 05/08/2008, -2/+4He didn't always have such strong support from the black community, and in the beginning Hillary did. Obama didn't get the black support "for free." Hillary lost that support, Obama won it. Remember? Remember back before the Rev. Wright noise, before "bitter" and "elitist," when the brilliant media analysts were talking about whether Obama was "black enough" to win black support away from Hillary? Remember South Carolina, where Bill helped Hillary lose black support with his Jesse Jackson comment? It wasn't that long ago....
        • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1It wasn't Obama's supporters screaming racism. It was Hillary.

          Meanwhile, I get called sexist for calling Hillary a liar. Apparently, it's not because she lies (like constantly, these days), but because I think women are inferior. Go figure.
  • tboutcher, on 05/08/2008, -2/+11This is outrageous. I figured shes going to stay in this until she can cut a deal for the VP spot or find a graceful way to exit. But after this she can kiss the VP spot goodbye. The Super Del better step in and put an end to this before she cause anymore damage.
    • PopcornDave, on 05/08/2008, -0/+4If Obama has an ounce of brains in his head, he won't even offer the VP slot to Hillary. That would completely blow his "change" message out of the water by bringing in the slime he's campaigning about cleaning out.
    • yojiffyskippy, on 05/08/2008, -3/+3Would all you Obama-bots be willing to put her one heart beat away from the presidency if he gives her the VP spot? What a lovely dilemma that would be. There would be a shortage of crow to be eaten on Digg if that were to happen. Have no fear though, he won't/can't offer and she won't/can't accept.
  • ozymandias2012, on 05/08/2008, -3/+13Too bad she's not a Republican....she'd have to resign.
    • ganymede2010, on 05/08/2008, -2/+11I agree, the MSM is biased against Repbulicans. If Geraldine Ferraro was a Rebublican saying what she said about Obama, she would be one of the most hated women in America. If a Republican said what Hillary said today, he/she would have to resign. And you fellow democrats know this! Hillary has proved that Democrats can play the race card in the media without consequence.
      • Mejari, on 05/08/2008, -1/+4I'm a Democrat and I'm not denying it, nor do I like it. I get outraged when Republicans do that stuff not because they're Republicans but because it's wrong, so when the people I identify myself with pull the same crap it makes me even more outraged when they get off scot free. It's the same sort of hypocrisy that some Republicans engage in when they bash homosexuality while being secretly homosexual, the Democrats come out against racism, and it's obvious that there are at least a few who hold racist views. They should both be treated with the same derision, and should both be shunned.
        • mchinsky, on 05/09/2008, -0/+2Why arent you democrats (90% of Digg crowd) calling the race card due to the fact that Obama is winning 90% of the black vote.

          Forget race, just talk about demographics. Assuming Obama takes 92% of the black vote in november (dems normally get 90%) but 60% of the whites vote for McCain (I'm sure you think its racist for the extra 10% to vote for McCain because he's white but not the extra 40% of blacks voting for Obama because he's black) in a general election, its going to be McGovern all over again.
  • Quick2822, on 05/08/2008, -1/+60Clinton has a delegate problem.
    • PopcornDave, on 05/08/2008, -1/+8And a trust problem, and a truth problem, and a likability problem...
      • anatraj, on 05/08/2008, -0/+3I concur (although the first two might be a bit redundant; how about a consistency problem?).
  • flink405, on 05/08/2008, -19/+7If 90+% of all whites voted for the white candidate and not the black candidate, everyone would be calling white people racists.
    If Obama was white he would not be getting 90+% of the black vote.
    • ozymandias2012, on 05/08/2008, -0/+4Either way.....someone's getting called a racist.
    • briankoenig03, on 05/08/2008, -1/+8If Obama wasn't black, Hillary wouldn't be getting such a high percentage of the white vote in the most racist states in our nation. If Hillary weren't a woman, so many middle-aged uneducated white women wouldn't be voting for her. If Hillary wasn't 61 and the wife of a president, she wouldn't be getting all these votes from old people.
      Exit polls showed that an overwhelming majority of voters who said race was an issue voted for Hillary. People vote for different reasons, many of which aren't sound and have no effect on leadership. Stupid reasons help and hurt every candidate; it's part of politics.
    • mom07, on 05/08/2008, -3/+3Bill Clinton got 90 % of the black vote, is he white?
    • RebeL5K, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1And you base that conclusion on...?

      If Hillary was not an old, white woman she would not be getting 70% of the old, white female vote. Which, by the way, is the largest single demographic in the United States.
    • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1mrr mrr mrr mrr mrr mrrr shut the ***** up.

      First black presidential candidate. Of course black people are going to vote for him. Not because of racism against Hillary, but because of racial pride in seeing one of theirs ascend to the highest office. I have my opinions on the merits of arbitrary attribute pride (more foolish than detrimental), but it's no different than the level of support Hillary gets among middle-aged women.
  • nikomo, on 05/08/2008, -2/+11How low can one possibly go..
    • PopcornDave, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2Wasn't Hillary a limbo champion?
    • Mejari, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3She's like the limbo champion of bad decisions
  • CSBPRS, on 05/08/2008, -3/+32So wait, only white Americans can be hard-working? Is that what I heard her say?
    • yojiffyskippy, on 05/08/2008, -3/+1Did you pull a muscle executing that spin?
      • CSBPRS, on 05/08/2008, -0/+0"...Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again..." Seems pretty straightforward to me. A simple "and" would have cleared things up. As it is there, she just seems like she's race-baiting.
        • bronxelf, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1Adding "and" to the sentence doesn't save it either. It just reverses it- it would indicate "white"= not part of the set that includes "hard working" It's just a terrible sentence. There's no good way to save it.
    • bronxelf, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Oh thank goodness. I thought it was just me who read that in that way.
    • RebeL5K, on 05/08/2008, -0/+4Haha, no, silly! Only WHITE people can be hardworking. Get it straight.
  • Sinaca, on 05/08/2008, -3/+35More proof that the Clintons are willing to throw Obama, the Democratic Party and all of America under the bus to get what they want.

    For anyone to continue to support Clinton after her behavior over recent months is a lot like voting for Bush in 2004: Maybe you didn't know better when it all started but you sure should know better now.
    • kemp34, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Maybe Hillary would rather have McCain than Obama??
  • ninjaface, on 05/08/2008, -2/+12Hillary is only relevant if we talk about her. Lets ignore this fool.
    • NucleaRR, on 05/08/2008, -1/+0I think she would still find a way to snake herself to the lime light.
      • Kyan, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1She'd even swallow a kitten whole to get the limelight.
    • abortionsforall, on 05/08/2008, -1/+0Wishful thinking. She is relevant until the Clinton bank account runs dry and she can no longer buy support or until Bill tells her the gig is up. Money talks in Washington, and she just happens to have a ton of it.
    • Mejari, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Hillary's proven that she'll continue ***** things up, whether we pay attention or not. At least if we keep track of her we can out all her ***** like this that she tries to pull. Plus it makes Obama look better, cause he's not the one saying stupid crap.
  • zenithmbr, on 05/08/2008, -5/+9Hillary Clinton CANNOT win the nomination, if we all just ignore here maybe she'll go away.

    *ignoring
  • manstein01, on 05/08/2008, -3/+25I don't support race-baiting when idiots like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton do it, and I don't support it now. Shut up you moron and admit defeat.
  • wynja, on 05/08/2008, -4/+45Holy hell, please someone pinch me. Tell me this rich white bitch did not just play the race card on a black man........

    /me head explodes.
    • jonohull, on 05/08/2008, -0/+4"My head asplode" is the correct term.
  • ganymede2010, on 05/08/2008, -2/+14Hillary's desperation has reached epic levels! This race proves that Hillary isn't proud to be a public servant. Since she's willing to bring down the DNC, tarnish her Husbands legacy, and incite a quasi race war in-order to secure the nomination.
  • funzo, on 05/08/2008, -5/+12Crazy bitch
  • superfille, on 05/08/2008, -3/+5More signs of the further onset of insanity. I'm sure her non-white supporters will love this.
    It will be interesting to see how the demographics pan out in the next few races. These white folks maybe the only ones she has left, if any, by the end.
  • WCL23, on 05/08/2008, -3/+12Clinton is the most dirty, underhand campaigner i've seen for a while. She tries to ride high with the banner for women, blacks, the poor, the wealthy, but she's doing each of them a disservice and setting women in politics back by her actions.
  • slapded, on 05/08/2008, -4/+26isnt obama half white? does this mean he hates himself? wtf
    • D14BL0, on 05/08/2008, -0/+8No, he only slightly dislikes himself.
    • gherikill, on 05/08/2008, -9/+2He is black. Definition of black is having more than 1% African blood.
      • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1I thought that it was having african facial features and skin darker than can be reasonably explained by tanning?
    • mrmount, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Hey, I commented something like this a month back and got buried! you lucky sucker!
    • runCMD, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2You nailed it WCL23 - he has had an inner struggle with his dual race since childhood. He's showing only a single side to himself in this race. However, Rev Wright outed the other bigoted side in his question and answer session at the NAACP conference. Obama's supporters must have missed that.
    • vvortex3, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1He's Halfrican!
  • hfx392, on 05/08/2008, -4/+18So the ignorant, uneducated masses support Hillary.

    Tell me something I didn't already know.
    • RebeL5K, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2In 2000 and 2004 they were called Bush Fans. Or, more generically, Republicans. When did it become a bad thing for the ***** PRESIDENT of the United States to be, um, intelligent? Does anyone stop to think that maybe if all the educated people are choosing a candidate, there might be a reason for it? Haven't we already tried (and failed) with the "guy next door" President?
  • sbob420, on 05/08/2008, -1/+4ahh the final nail in the coffin. at least i hope so im getting sick of hearing about her
    • Mejari, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2She's already had like 50 'final nails in the coffin', plus several stakes through the heart and kicks in the ass, but she's still crawling along, ruining all in her path, like one of those zombies you cut in half, but it still keeps coming for your chances at election... I mean brains.
      • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1Someone get a shotgun. Everyone knows that the only way to kill a politicia- I mean zombie, is a shotgun blast to the head at close range.
  • chrissku, on 05/08/2008, -2/+12Hillary has a little "delegate problem."
  • ajb2015, on 05/08/2008, -6/+5Inaccurate title. It sounds like she is saying Obama is racist or something.
    • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1When, in fact, she's implying that her own base is racist.
  • theNorthcutt, on 05/08/2008, -9/+2How dare a white person even mention the word "white" or "black" when it pertains to people and can be perceived, in any way, to be racist! If only she was a black comedian.
  • twoheadedboy00, on 05/08/2008, -3/+7We don't want her to drop out until after she wins West Virginia by a ***** of votes. It would look pretty bad if Obama were the nominee, and then goes on to lose WV and possibly KY by large margins against a candidate no longer in the race.

    But seriously, you can't be serious Hillary. . . unless you're trying to derail Obama to make way for a 2012 run on the White House, which I wouldn't completely put past her.

    Poor Eight Belles, time to step aside and let Big Brown take this race.
    • abortionsforall, on 05/08/2008, -0/+0If she drops out, do you really think most media outlets are going to excessively cover the remaining primaries like they have been? Coupled with the fact that the number of voters in the remaining states would drop dramatically since their vote would essentially be worthless.

      As soon as she is out the media is going to instantly start the Obama Vs. Grandpa Munster contest.
      • twoheadedboy00, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1That's true, but I think the GOP press machine will just LOVE it that he lost to someone that dropped out of the race. It's pretty hard to predict media narratives; they are irrational to a fault.
  • Deodar, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1 Now we might get to know the awnser question that has plagued mankind for ages...

    Which minority has more power over the majority....... Female versus Black........ Seriously don't play the minority card if your a minority in the position/job your going for is also against a minority
    • queotic, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Females are over 50% of the population and blacks are about 12% of the US population. Women are not exactly a minority.
  • Tochi, on 05/08/2008, -3/+41Hi! I'm a white guy. I support Barack Obama. I also think Hillary Clinton is a douche bag.
    Thanks for your time.
    • Truckondo, on 05/08/2008, -1/+6Me too!
    • curtisag, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3But the question is, did you go to college? Are you a working class white or a silly egg-head with book learnin'? :)
      • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+2Well, as an Obama supporter:
        I attended college. I did not graduate.
        I've worked jobs from temp labor to secretarial, and presently make a living as a freelance programmer. I don't know what class that puts me in; it's not exactly blue or white collar.

        I do have quite a lot of book learnin'; dropping out of college was probably the best thing for my personal education.
        • runCMD, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2Wow Fordi, your path in life sounds very similar to mine. I am a Hillary Clinton supporter. Isn't America great that even two people with similar backgrounds - that have worked our ways to comfortable spots in the food chain can still be civil and disagree. I love America.
    • runCMD, on 05/08/2008, -6/+4I'm a white guy. I support Hillary Clinton. I make a great living and I think you are a moron. : ) Have a better day.
      • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -2/+3I'm sorry that you're a fool - but you've basically spattered evidence of that all over Digg on a good number of topics, so it can't readily be ignored. I don't know your reasons for supporting Hillary - but I have yet to see you give a compelling argument in your favor. As such, I have to assume that whatever your reasons, they're contrived. As an excuse for what, I can't imagine.
        • runCMD, on 05/10/2008, -1/+5What I've "spattered all over Digg" is my own opinion. I get to have one you know. And speak it right out loud. Now I see Fordi, after visiting your own profile - just how intricate are the sublime inner workings of your mind. It took me a little while to realize your apologist stance. and It's ok. I forgive the ignorance - and leave you to it.
          But don't be sorry Fordi - I'm one happy fool. I eagerly contest irrational argument when there is someone intelligent on the other end of the conversation. You wouldn't learn much from what I have to say. Others do. And I'm ok with that.
          • Fordi, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2Apologist stance.

            Hah. I get your motives now. You're a ***** idiot.
          • runCMD, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2Ahh... insults. This discussion is no longer useful.

            idiot: Noun
            * S: (n) idiot, imbecile, cretin, moron, changeling, half-wit, retard (a person of subnormal intelligence)

            Sorry Fordi - nothing there even comes close to describing me. Thanks for trying, next contestant. If you don't like to be labeled, perhaps you should stop stamping them on others. Brush up on your vocabulary though, I hear that this site can help move beyond cursing. http://wordsmith.org/words/today.html
            ... and I forgive you the insult. It's the least I could do.
          • Fordi, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2The only way you could possibly descirbe me as an apologist is if you somehow apply a rather strange regex to everthing you read. So, either you're instinctively mangling your own input, or you're a complete idiot, and you're just throwing wild accusations into the air in the hope one of them sticks or strikes a nerve or something.

            As for you're little tirade on expanding my vocab - I couldn't care less what you think of my library of verbal tools, nor do I give a half ***** if you think curse words aren't a valid part of expression.

            No, I lie. I could care less, if I really, really tried hard. I could, similarly, commit suicide via the 'awesome'. I am inclined to do neither. No regard for those that merit no respect.
          • runCMD, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2yawn, I don't expect you to get it ... or respond reasonably.
            cat /dev/null > fordi
          • Fordi, on 05/11/2008, -3/+1Eh, good. I'm done with your ignorant ass. Again, no regard for those that merit no respect.
        • runCMD, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2endSUB
  • TTURabble, on 05/08/2008, -3/+11HAHAHAHAHAHA

    Go home Hillary, you're just being "bitter"
  • ozziedog, on 05/08/2008, -1/+9Hillary wants to be president at all costs. Her goal is the Whitehouse. Obama wants to change the country via the presidency. It's your choice America, but Hillary is crazy. She ain't no Margaret Thatcher.
    • Kyan, on 05/08/2008, -0/+3No, kidding. She's a Democrat. Sort of the antipathy of Thatcher, IIRC.
      • ozziedog, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1I was talking about leadership, not party alliance.
  • MasterTroll, on 05/08/2008, -1/+15Everyone stay still.. Her vision is based on movement.
  • D14BL0, on 05/08/2008, -1/+5The 2008 election is kinda like the polls on Slashdot. Always a comedy option. Hillary is this option.

    What scares me, though, is that the comedy option wins the poll sometimes.
  • Gryffydd, on 05/08/2008, -1/+20Translation: "White trash people love me and don't like black people!"
  • bjs3171, on 05/08/2008, -1/+20So why isn't her "much broader base", like, VOTING for her?
    • TremorX, on 05/08/2008, -1/+7When she says she has a broad base, she means her base is made up of broads
  • radink360, on 05/08/2008, -1/+5Where do I stick my fork?
    • PopcornDave, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Do you like thighs?
    • curtisag, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2The posterior is an excellent spot, if you know what I mean...
    • runCMD, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1How about sticking it the remaining humanity you have left. Just despicable.
    • Identity4, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1on that last square inch of her body left...right in the middle of the other 9000 forks...
      • jon30041, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1.... It will then be over 9000?

        ... Damnit. Damn you. I am obligated... IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAND!
  • jessefelder, on 05/08/2008, -7/+0i think obama has a black (knight) problem: http://mybackpagesbyjessefelder.blogspot.com/2008/ ...
  • jjgasp, on 05/08/2008, -5/+9She is a despicable human being.
  • papipablo, on 05/08/2008, -13/+18If it wasn't for predominantly black states like Iowa, Wisconsin and Hawaii, Obama would be nowhere.
    • Quasimoto, on 05/08/2008, -2/+8**head explodes**
    • eth3l, on 05/08/2008, -7/+4You are right, without a caucus states like Iowa, Blackness, and White-Liberal-Guilt barak Obama would e no where.

      Iowa = caucus state; not accurate representation of voters true wishes.

      Wisconsin - figths with Vermont for the lael "Most Liberal"

      Hawaii - seriously ... ?
      • TremorX, on 05/08/2008, -0/+6~~~ < - Joke
        0 < - Your head
      • RebeL5K, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Very acute observation there! And if it wasn't for old white women and racists, Hillary would be losing by EVEN MORE than she already is!
    • Mejari, on 05/08/2008, -1/+6How can Obama only be in the race because of black people when black people only make up 13% of the country? If 13% of the population could choose the president we'd have had an Atheist president by now.
      • Fordi, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1I wonder... does Pod's law apply to political satire?

        Note: Iowa, Wisconsin and Hawaii have less than 5% black population.
    • CannedMango, on 05/08/2008, -1/+4I guess I'm not using my whiteness properly then as I want Obama to be the president.
    • em00guy, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Hey guys, see that wayyy up there, in the clou....never mind, it's gone.
    • ph1sh55, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Hey you forgot the state of Washington, another rabid 'black power' state. As for the people that responded to you with gnashing teeth or disbelief...well they forgot about this 'satire' thing.
  • mrinsanity, on 05/08/2008, -7/+5she's right tho, they're a lot white voters out there for who the thought of having a black president in the white house is uncomforting even if they kno they shouldn't be racists their still gonna vote for thw white chick when their in the privacy of the voting booth and when its the general election there still gonna justvote for whoever theigh feel more comfortable with.
    • Random23, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2I agree, however there are just as many people that do not want to vote for a woman as President. With so many valid reasons not to support someone, well i just find those reasons insane.
      I guess the main difference is that on top of the sexist people, the Clintons have a major ability to get the far right wingers galvanized.
      • csonger, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1I agree, the voter who will not vote for Obama because he's black will probably choose to vote for the white guy rather than the white woman. And as you say: no one can turn out the republican base like Hillary Clinton.
      • curtisag, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Excepting women got the right to vote before blacks. The racism against blacks is much more recent than the prejudice against females. Plus females make up a majority of the total electorate and population.
    • HellDonut, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2It's one thing to say that, it's other to say "hey, whites vote for me and they won't vote for a black man" as a kind of a veiled threat. It's as if Obama came and said "hey, blacks vote for me and they won't vote for anyone else, you can't win the general election without the blacks!". It's divisive and only reinforces the views of people who are already committed to vote for her just because she's not black that what they're doing is fine.
    • warnergt, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Maybe the problem isn't that he's black; maybe it is his difficulty in rejecting black racists.
      • RebeL5K, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Or maybe you're an idiot. I believe he did reject "the black racists", unlike Hillary Clinton who merely "found disagreeable" comments by her Finance Chair Geraldine Ferraro when she said "If Barack wasn't black, he wouldn't be in this race".
        • vision777, on 05/08/2008, -0/+0Great comment you are exactly right she didn't have to come out and totally reject Ferraro for her racist comments but when it was Barrack they just wouldn't let it go. He had to go the extra step to reject the man.
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