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- athena204, on 04/06/2008, -7/+71Cliton needs psychological help. The last thing we need is a compulsive liar in public life. Get out, Hillary, you shameful, immoral, devious, desperate rutheless liar.
- Turambar, on 04/06/2008, -2/+43correction: last thing we need is -another- compulsive liar
- GregR, on 04/06/2008, -1/+1or at least another president that is totally out-of-touch with reality.
- RoroCo, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2The one we have now is not a compulsive liar to this etreme. I really think he believes what he is saying. I just think he is just a compulsive idiot.
- NightVortez, on 04/06/2008, -13/+6I'm sick of reading this *****, bury if you must, but EVERY politician lies out of their teeth, it's part of the credentials, yes even Obama, the only difference with Clinton is that she gets caught, not much different from Bill and he's considered (by democrats) to be a good president. This psychological ***** is starting to get to me, I hardly prefer to insult someone or use profound language but what the ***** is wrong with some of you people? "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills."
If you want to not vote for someone, please let it be their political positions not some ***** smear campaign.- aigulf, on 04/06/2008, -8/+2a coherent thought....what the hell are you doing on digg?
- smacksaw, on 04/06/2008, -1/+18I'm sick of people like you with the "everybody does it thing" as well. THAT IS NOT AN EXCUSE.
Are all politicians liars? Most of them are. And most of them are just as bad as the other one. But your logic is disgusting. The way you insert Obama's name in there is ***** ***** and you know it. It's like saying "there are evil people all over the world who kill such as Pol Pot, Hitler and Ted Kennedy."
Ted does not belong in the same group as Hitler or Pol Pot because it's not even comparable. But in your logic he does. It doesn't matter if it's genocide or negligence, millions of lives or a single life, a killer is a killer.
If you can't elevate Hillary to Obama's level you're content to drag him down to hers. I, for one am not going to stand for your ***** or of the people like you. Compare Hillary to Bush if you like. Compare Obama to Kucinich. But make it relative and not total fantasy.- travis1982, on 04/06/2008, -4/+2comparing Pol Pot and Hitler to Hillary...psychologically indifferent probably. Hillary isn't just a liar, she seems to be a compulsive liar. What is the significance about lying about her Bosnia trip..seriously. She just pulled that one out of her ass to see if people were actually paying attention to her jibba jabba, what other logical reason could there be. Not only that, but she lied on countless other issues, nafta, her views on iraq etc etc...and so blatantly!! Bill is also a liar, but at least hes savvy about it. You can't even compare Obama with Hillary. She is just some pissed off PMSing woman who is losing..and knows she is losing, or in complete denial which is even more frightening, and using her vicious claws on her way out.
- NightVortez, on 04/06/2008, -3/+1Who said that made it good? No, it's still bad, but it's not something that should be so atrociously taunted as it is on digg.
You honestly think Obama is a huge step above Clinton? I don't want to make this into a debate whether which candidate is better here because everyone has a different opinion on such issues (fyi I like Obama far more then Clinton) and I can respect that, but that is completely ridiculous. Had digg not been flipped to anti-Clinton/pro-Obama mode (and I can comply considering this is what the site is made for) we'd get just as much ***** smear submittions on Obama. An example I could think of at the top of my head, and I'm sure there is a counter to it, but earlier in his campaign he said he doesn't take money from oil companies, well not only is that already illegal, but they were actually his top contributors.
Obama is no God, and he isn't by a nail farther then candidates like Clinton or McCain as far as decency, and certainly hardly compares with Kucinich, or at least as far as I've seen from Kucinich. Once again though, none of those things are even relatively relevant in politics, POLITICAL POSITIONS are and if you're running a smear they should be the focus. I normally do not like to involve myself in Obama/Clinton threads, but come on, you're calling a person psychopathic and insulting them based on your own political view?- travis1982, on 04/06/2008, -2/+1umm...free speech? If you have something against free speech go to one of Bill Clinton's little speeches..fit right in.
- NightVortez, on 04/06/2008, -3/+1What does freedom of speech have to do with anything? I am not any part of the government therefore am not limiting to disrupting it.
With that said, I'm not talking about free speech, I'm talking about respective behavior, I can technically go around digg typing in caps and shouting incoherent spam while insulting people based on my own thought pattern, but I don't, why? It would be an indecent thing to do.
Now I'm I know I'm not going to change your opinion or anything, but can you at least try to be a little more respectful towards these politicians? - travis1982, on 04/06/2008, -3/+1Sorry...free speech told me I can't do that...it also told me that you maaay be a transgendered hippopotamus.
- smacksaw, on 04/06/2008, -0/+5Well, I'm only about 15% through The Audacity of Hope, but compared to It Takes A Village, you see the difference between someone like Obama who walks the walk and someone like Hillary who talks the talk. Hillary says a lot of things and then does something completely contrary. People can say a lot of things, but it comes down to HOW they say it. If you are psychotic (psychopath or sociopath) like Hillary, you can feign human emotions, but people who have real emotions can smell there's something sour.
Obama passes. Obvious things like "practising what he preaches" and subtle things like passing the smell test. Obama has written so many cheques on bipartisanship that if his ass can't cash them, he will be the lamest duck president ever. Hillary has no intent of reforming Washington or removing arch-partisanship from it. Obama has said too many things he can't take back without losing all credibility.
- Murdats, on 04/06/2008, -0/+5whats to say that all her policies arent lies awell? we have solid proof that she will lie about anything, why not that?
the others we can only speculate they lie, here we have proof.
- sanman, on 04/06/2008, -0/+7Clinton Lie #1: "I didn't inhale!"
Who the hell talks like that? - ophello, on 04/06/2008, -0/+4Cliton?
was that a typo or...? - Sbebo, on 04/06/2008, -3/+1I don't disagree with you, but in this case Hillary didn't know she was 'lying'. She had heard this story from someone who had heard it from someone else. Some details where mixed up/lost in the exchange. Though I have to say, she and her people should have checked the facts before retelling someone else's tragedy.
- theaceoffire, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2Then maybe she should stop saying things that she doesn't know is true.
- theaceoffire, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2Then maybe she should stop saying things that she doesn't know is true.
- 3sicasity, on 04/06/2008, -10/+41.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means ‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.
13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ‘08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.
18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn’t write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.
21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.
25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.
27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.
30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.
31.) I Didn’t Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.
32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn’t.
33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.
34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.
35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.
37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.
38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
39.) I Don’t Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.
40.) I don’t Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.
43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other people’s words.
44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.
45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.
46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it.
47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.
48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won’t wear a flag pin and you don’t put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.
49.) My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife’s words follow lock-step in the vain of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.
50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn’t Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quater of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.
51.) Treehouse Is A Small Company - LIAR, the CEO of Treehouse last year, made more than the CEO of Wal-Mart, according to public records.
52.) University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair - LIAR, your wife’s pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years. They overcharge blacks VS whites for services, and overcharge everyone in general by 538%!
53.)I Barely Know Rezko - Only 5 Billed Hours - LIAR, you have known him for 17 years, and decided to do a real estate deal with him during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you divided your property and had them take off $300K before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko’s wife buys the lot beside it that you can’t afford, saving you $625,000.
54.) My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly - LIAR, you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko ($150K) their money when publically called on their involvement in your campaigns.
55.) My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church - LIAR, your church is so extreme, the pastor who married you, Rev. Wright, just got done blaming the US for 9/11 and named Louis Farrahkan their person of the year.
56.) I Disagree With My Church All The Time - LIAR, you still have yet to repudiate Wright, who married you and your wife, and you still donate large sums of money to assist the church in furthering its message - hatred and revenge. You donated in 2006 alone, $22,500 to the church that you so terribly disagree with. That is nearly $500 PER WEEK - that sure is disagreement, Senator Obama.
57.) I Have Clean Connections Despite Rezko - LIAR, you are not only connected to Exelon and Rezko, you are also connected to Hillary PAC supporter Mr. Hsu, AND an Iraqi Billionaire of ill repute, Nadhmi Auchi, who ripped off people in the Food For Oil, Iraqi deal. Seems Mr. Auchi may have helped Obama buy his million dollar property long before Obama had millions of dollars. Wonder what favors Mr. Auchi expects, when Obama leaves Iraq free to be taken over by special interests such as him.
58.) I never heard sermons like Rev. Wright’s, that have been in videos all day, You Tube - LIAR! 3 days later during your Mea Culpa BS speech you said “Did I hear controversial statements while
how do i counter this? help plz http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ArJUe ...- christophelyon, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2"48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won’t wear a flag pin and you don’t put your hand over your heart during the Anthem."
OMG, is THAT being patriotic ? Are you so ***** dumb ?
- christophelyon, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2"48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won’t wear a flag pin and you don’t put your hand over your heart during the Anthem."
- nonsapiens, on 04/06/2008, -2/+6Just to nit-pick, but Swahili is a Bantu-Arabic language - the Swahili tribe used to be enslaved by Arab merchants. Because of this, the languages fused, and became the lingua franca of East to Central Africa. There are lots Arabic words, sayings and meanings in Swahili. The further towards Kenya's coastline you travel, the more like guttural Arabic and the less like Swahili it sounds.
Take the well-known Swahili proverb, "Haraka, haraka haina baraka", which translates to "hurrying has no blessing." Another example would be "malaika", from the Arabic "malak" (meaning "angel"), and can also be found in Hebrew as "mal'ach"
Anything else in your above statement that may have been lost in translation, eh? Turns out the Osama's name is, in fact, 100% Swahili. English too has Arabic words, things like "alcohol", "algebra" to name just a two in the list of thousands. Are we too then Arabic? A name does not a person make.
/Ex-Kenyan now living in South Africa: ninapenda afrika ya kusini. - iainc, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1She lies. Pathologically. She needs help, not the Presidency.
- Turambar, on 04/06/2008, -2/+43correction: last thing we need is -another- compulsive liar
- COecobabe, on 04/06/2008, -1/+27It's not that I don't admire Hillary for blazing a trail, I just wish she wasn't so callously, calculatingly political about it. The 'win at any cost' streak that emerges -- her ability to lie, manipulate, and spin -- is done in a soul-less way. (Because we all know that all politicians lie, manipulate and spin -- I just wish that somewhere behind it all, the manipulator was doing it for someone other than herself.) I think folks are right to defend to right to stay in the race. But one would hope that she might do an un-Clintonesque thing and look at what her continuation is doing to us all -- goodness knows I'm showing signs of battle fatigue!
- Jibberwalk, on 04/06/2008, -7/+1You know, I would never vote for Hillary... but I'm absolutely in love with her from a case-study perspective. She is magnificently political. Hillary is the embodiment of The Prince and The Discourses. And for that, I find her incredibly fascinating.
- themonkman, on 04/06/2008, -0/+4And incredibly sickening.
- Jibberwalk, on 04/06/2008, -7/+1You know, I would never vote for Hillary... but I'm absolutely in love with her from a case-study perspective. She is magnificently political. Hillary is the embodiment of The Prince and The Discourses. And for that, I find her incredibly fascinating.
- CicurateGroup, on 04/06/2008, -2/+14Shameful!!! Complete and utter diarrhea of the mouth bull *****! This lady (Hillary) is a sick, sick person. A sociopath with no shame, morals, compassion or remorse. How is it that people are blind to her lies?
- PhilLesh69, on 04/06/2008, -1/+1She is only taking a play out of her husband's playbook. Even Bush has done it, and Al Gore did it as well.
It's the old trick of pointing randomly out into the crowd, and then creating a false story about some imaginary person to support whatever you are talking about in your speech at that moment.
Bill Clinton invented this political posturing lie. He'd point out into the crowd, and say "just like Marjorie Tragiclife, a single mother who takes the bus for 6 hours at 4 in the morning to get to her job that pays 20 cents an hour, so she can pay the medical bills of her 3 year old daughter who has malaria and diptheria" and "let's not forget Billy Smackmybottom, the 6 year old who took up a paper route, delivering newspapers in 27 feet of snow so he could help pay for his mother's toe cancer treatment".
It's a political ploy designed to pull at the emotions of intellectually dull people.- SpeedSteamBoat, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2Eh, I think the difference here is she wasn't just making up a hypothetical story, she was lying about someone who really existed. There's a pretty big morality gap there.
- phazon88, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1Don't forget the paper kid had to ride uphill both ways and he couldn't afford any clothes so he had to ride naked in the snow.
- PhilLesh69, on 04/06/2008, -1/+1She is only taking a play out of her husband's playbook. Even Bush has done it, and Al Gore did it as well.
- CicurateGroup, on 04/06/2008, -2/+6I know they say this about various politicians from time to time, but she is the Antichrist. I am certain of it now.
- okto, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1Yeah, I think lying about healthcare is the second seal.
I heard she's going to have Marine One turned into a locust with a breastplate of iron and teeth like the teeth of lions.- PhilLesh69, on 04/06/2008, -0/+4That's funny. Your mention of Marine One reminds me of a story told to a reporter by one of her aides, where she was getting on Marine One, and walked directly over to the only black guy standing on the lawn, and said "Here are my bags. Make sure they get on the helicopter. I need these bags to arrive at the same time as I do."
The black guy responded, "Maam, I am a Colonel in the United States Marines. I am not a bellboy."
Hillary stared at him, unable to comprehend that the only black person among a bunch of uniformed white people could possibly not be the baggage handler.
There were several other stories like that, where she wasn't outright racist, but had an inclination to assume that the black person in the room was a servant or at least of lower rank than the white people.
- PhilLesh69, on 04/06/2008, -0/+4That's funny. Your mention of Marine One reminds me of a story told to a reporter by one of her aides, where she was getting on Marine One, and walked directly over to the only black guy standing on the lawn, and said "Here are my bags. Make sure they get on the helicopter. I need these bags to arrive at the same time as I do."
- socialpromotion, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1Hillary can't be the AntiChrist. The AntiChrist is supposed to fool the masses. Hilliary doesn't seem to be fooling anyone.
- CicurateGroup, on 04/07/2008, -0/+1Exactly! She has fooled us into believing she can't fool us. If you think her lies are dangerous, imagine what's going to happen if she told the truth. Fire and Brimstone baby!!!!
- okto, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1Yeah, I think lying about healthcare is the second seal.
- Pyehole, on 04/06/2008, -2/+10What I'd really like to know, is Hillary an abberation in politics, or is she just a victim of not realizing that the rules have changed because of the internet and the digital age? It's fair to assume that future politicians (at the coaching of their advisers) will use this campaign cycle as an example of what to avoid doing in the future.
- scottc, on 04/06/2008, -0/+5I don't think Hillary is an aberration - she is a typical politician of this age. Obama is the aberration. He's honest, he doesn't shy away from tough issues, and he hasn't (so far) sold out to corporate sponsors. While his campaign is more adept at using technology than the others, the root of his success is good old-fashioned politics: listening to the people, understanding what's important to them, providing direction, and inspiring them to participate in solving their country's problems.
- smacksaw, on 04/06/2008, -1/+2Hillary is an elitist, period. The symbiotic relationship of power creating the elites and elites perpetuating their hold on power are embodied in people like her.
The rules have not changed. We're just questioning the rules. But if the rules had changed, Ron Paul would have been the GOP nominee. He would have had fair coverage, opportunity to debate and all of the access and privileges that the establishment candidates enjoyed. There was an incredible wave of support that was suppressed by the elites of politics and it was a huge task. While they focused on that, Obama quietly slipped through. In my mind, I think Ron Paul is very responsible for Obama's success because there was a lot more effort and focus on suppressing Paul while at the same time Obama would have been scrutinised into oblivion, but he was not. By the time the media turned to Obama he already was unstoppable and with no one left to put the screws to, it fell to Clinton.- PhilLesh69, on 04/06/2008, -1/+2It's sort of funny that just about the time Ron Paul dropped out of the Race, Obama made a speech that propelled him into the front-runner space, or at least made him the powerhouse he has become.
In that speech, he spoke to many of the things that Ron Paul campaigned on. I wish I could remember the speech, where it was, what he said, exactly, all I remember is that when I heard him give that speech, I was actually sort of considering supporting him because it was like he had read the things that Ron Paul supporters had been posting on blogs and comments all over the internet. I think it was the genesis speech of his "Yes We Can" campaign slogan.- smacksaw, on 04/06/2008, -0/+4I think Obama has been saying a lot of things like that...it's almost like Kennedy's "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" speech. I mean, that's right out of the libertarian playbook. Libertarian-leaning Republicans would eat that ***** up if Goldwater had said it.
I think a lot of Paul and Obama speeches were probably very close, since both made it part of their platform to remove influence and corruption of Washington. Where they diverge is that I don't think Paul would have passed legislation. He would have used restraint and encouraged it. And I think Obama agrees, but he's still a left-leaning legislator, and if corrupt partisan influence cannot be purged, I think he'd abridge the "freedoms" these people enjoy by making it difficult for them to operate. - PhilLesh69, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2Smacksaw, I don't know if either candidates could have done anything to break the hold of corporatists and special interests, but I applaud your knowledge and level of being informed.
I only wish there were more people who thought this way. It doesn't matter who you support, as long as you support that person with an informed and realistic perspective.
Unfortunately, even for those of us who try hard to be informed, it is difficult to know if what we believe is "informed" is actually truthful, or just what a candidate wants us to believe in order to support them.
God help the people who vote based on "I'd have a beer with him" or "I like the way he speaks", or "I don't like blacks/women/old people in office" or whatever other shallow judgements. God help those people who spend 15 minutes every 4 years in deciding who they want to support. God help those folks who are too dumb to figure any of this out.
- smacksaw, on 04/06/2008, -0/+4I think Obama has been saying a lot of things like that...it's almost like Kennedy's "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" speech. I mean, that's right out of the libertarian playbook. Libertarian-leaning Republicans would eat that ***** up if Goldwater had said it.
- PhilLesh69, on 04/06/2008, -1/+2It's sort of funny that just about the time Ron Paul dropped out of the Race, Obama made a speech that propelled him into the front-runner space, or at least made him the powerhouse he has become.
- SuperWinner, on 04/06/2008, -3/+9What a lying slunt.
- greenlight2001, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1Well, that's a new one... at least to me.
- Jibberwalk, on 04/06/2008, -3/+1Slunt... slut and *****?
I can grasp the angle of calling her a "*****," but I'm having difficulty understanding why she's a slut. I can understand calling her a whore... but slut doesn't make much sense to me.- SuperWinner, on 04/06/2008, -0/+3slore?
- theaceoffire, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1slitch?
- SuperWinner, on 04/06/2008, -0/+3slore?
- loganhuddleston, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1It's a REALLY bad word.
- soot, on 04/06/2008, -1/+12She definitely has a persistent problem with embellishing the facts.
- themonkman, on 04/06/2008, -0/+3Embellishing is just another way of lying. When it comes to Hillary, I'm not surprised at all.
- JAHred, on 04/06/2008, -0/+4She never checked the records, instead she hears what she wanted to hear, and told the American public what she wanted them to hear.
- brownrecluse888, on 04/06/2008, -18/+2Great, another anti-clinton story.....remember all these ***** stories where your watching press conferences with president McCain.....
- ophello, on 04/06/2008, -1/+11Your: possessive: your coat
you're: contraction: you are watching
learn the difference, or look like an idiot. - smacksaw, on 04/06/2008, -1/+5Where: location: Where you are
When: time: When you are
Notice, it's "you are" and not "your", though ophello only got half of it. - lgm1213, on 04/06/2008, -2/+2you guys obviously understood what he was saying so, why be such tight assholes about it. Grammar nazis
- PhilLesh69, on 04/06/2008, -2/+2It doesn't hurt to point out that the person writing his opinion already has questionable intelligence regarding grammar and spelling.
Granted, we all slip up. I type at around 70 wpm, and of course I can do things like type "I neevr maek mistakse", and since I have my 15.4" laptop monitor set to 1920 x 1200 and sit about 4 or 5 feet back from it, the text is really small and I don't always catch my misspellings. And I am really bad with the "I before E except after C" rule when typing on the fly. But in the case of brownrecluse, these aren't just mistakes, these are examples of being a little bit less proficient with the english language.
I'm just saying. Usually you can tell the difference between a mistake in typing and a person who doesn't know any better.
Like Bush saying "Newkular". An example of someone who learns words by hearing them, as opposed to reading them. Like the people who say, "For all intensive purposes", they obviously learned that phrase by hearing others speak it, and misconstruing it. Anyone who learned that phrase by reading it will know that it is "for all intents and purposes". - GliTCH82, on 04/06/2008, -2/+3When you're looking for fault in someone's argument, grammar mistakes do stand because they point to a vulnerability in that person's intelligence. If you can't grasp the basics of grammar and language, maybe you have no business making higher level judgments about a person's character or their faults.
- lgm1213, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1Vulnerability in a persons intelligence? Are you Serious? You rank someones intelligence, by typos and internet comments, WOW. Congratulations you have just lowered the intellectual state of an individual based on something he wrote on the internet. The world's largest free speech and expressive medium ever built, with no formal writing guidelines. The internet. So let me guess when you are looking up porn on the internet do you also trash sites that may misspell certain words on purpose. Attacking a person is a cheap way to head on an argument it shows you have no real intellectual basis for a rebuttal and are basically saying a comment like "look at his clothes, the stuff he wears is ugly, he can't possibly intelligent"
- PhilLesh69, on 04/07/2008, -0/+1lgm1213, there's a difference between a typo and not knowing the difference between "your", a possessive adjective, and "you're" a contraction of "you are".
"remember all these ***** stories where your watching press conferences"
The use of where, I'll admit is a minor error, but it is still an indication of someone who misunderstands the english language, or is incapable of writing clearly. Okay, I dated a copy editor when I worked at a personal finance magazine, so I may be a little more sensitive to this sort of thing, but what does the writer of the above sentence mean? remember the ***** at the place showing the press conferences? or remember the ***** where you are, watching press conferences?
The joke copy editor geeks like to tell is...
Q: "How many copy editors does it take to screw in a light bulb."
A: "That depends, do you mean change a light bulb, or have sex in a light bulb"
Not exactly the same thing, but you get my point. Being able to write so that it is clear what you mean is important.
And, yes, there are formal writing guidelines "on the internet", because the internet is not some new world with new rules. If you are writing in english, the rules of english grammar and spelling still apply. If you write in chinese, those rules apply. Same with french, or italian, or farsi. It is not like they changed the rules of grammar and spelling moving from books, to magazines, to the internet. If you want to be understood, and taken seriously, you have to be able to communicate properly.
- PhilLesh69, on 04/06/2008, -2/+2It doesn't hurt to point out that the person writing his opinion already has questionable intelligence regarding grammar and spelling.
- youreh, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1we should ignore when clinton lies? it isn't like this is just a made-up story. it's also on cnn:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/06/cl ...
- ophello, on 04/06/2008, -1/+11Your: possessive: your coat
- dualboy24, on 04/06/2008, -8/+3Does huffingtonpost get their stories from whats popular on Digg or something?
- pbd1637, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1Huffington is so biased it is nauseating. Before Obama took a lead, Hilliary was the savior of the party. The first woman, and a Clinton back in the White House. Now that Obama is winning, Huffington wants nothing to do with "Billery". They want her to go away so all the democrats can concentrate on smearing McCain.
- xenosteel, on 04/06/2008, -1/+5OMELET PREVIAL
- okto, on 04/06/2008, -0/+3PORKSLOPE TURKEYHANDLE
- travis1982, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1random...or I am just not getting something.
- PhilLesh69, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2It's stoner speak.
Like "Christ in a bottle" or "Is it quicker to new york, or by bus?"
Basically, it was a game we played in High School in the 80's. A bunch of guys driving around, stoned. It would be really quiet just after finishing off the 4th bowl. Then someone would say something like "I went to school and found out my pants were dry cleaned by an asian." Then someone else would say, "Really, that's funny because the last time I had a vasectomy, I had to buy 23 peaches and shave my armpits". Then someone else would say "That's nothing. I bought a dozen bottle caps and they named me king of the supermarket" and someone else would say, "I shot the king of the supermarket, and they told me that you couldn't convert pesos into deutsche marks without buying a waffle from the taxi driver".... and it would go on like that until someone busted out laughing or couldn't continue the gibberish conversation.
Consider it "ad-libs" for stoners.
- PhilLesh69, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2It's stoner speak.
- xenosteel, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1Perhaps this will enlighten you
http://digg.com/nintendo/Super_Smash_Bros_Lyrics_I ...
- travis1982, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1random...or I am just not getting something.
- MrKrinkleDude, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1With bacon, please.
- okto, on 04/06/2008, -0/+3PORKSLOPE TURKEYHANDLE
- headzoo, on 04/06/2008, -13/+3C'mon now.. I'm the furthest thing from a Clinton supporter, but I really don't think this is a big deal. Who cares? So she told a story that highlights the dangers of not having a public health care system. At least with this lie, the ends justify the means. I have no doubt that this story is all too real for some people living in America today.
- smacksaw, on 04/06/2008, -0/+4I take it you're fine with the War in Iraq then. Transitive logic, such as it is...
- mbraynard, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2The problem with what you are saying is that not only is the story a lie, the possibility of the circumstances for the story are also a lie. Just ask any Mexican about what ER turns them down for healthcare.
And then the third lie is that her proposed solution would do anything to help the problem. The only person running for Pres with a real solution to this issue was Mitt Romney. - themonkman, on 04/06/2008, -1/+1The reason I don't believe this story is even practical or really possible is that most all states have laws that if you visit the ER, you must be treated regardless of your ability to pay. They bill you afterwards, anyways. Most all states also have programs to help pay the bill after your treated if you claim financial hardship. My fiancee had to do that one time. This is the reason why many ER's are strained because you have tons of uninsured and a lot of illegal aliens visiting it as if it where the office of their primary care doctor. This is also why it takes 5-8 hours to be seen, especially when many hospitals are closing down their ER's due to the problem and financial losses to them.
- themonkman, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1If your going to digg me down, at least have the mental capacity to argue your point or tell me why you don't agree.
- Enron1985, on 04/06/2008, -17/+2Apparently my preacher has some pretty strong and well developed viewpoints on a few things, I don't agree with these viewpoints and this is the first i've heard of it in 20 years of being a member of this church, Vote here!!!
- travis1982, on 04/06/2008, -0/+4i killed your god
- Gathalimay, on 04/06/2008, -1/+2How can you kill that which does not exist?!
- theaceoffire, on 04/06/2008, -1/+1How can you kill that which does not have life?!
- fletcherrr, on 04/06/2008, -1/+1Shut up.
- Gathalimay, on 04/06/2008, -1/+2How can you kill that which does not exist?!
- travis1982, on 04/06/2008, -0/+4i killed your god
- faizal5k, on 04/06/2008, -13/+5Clinton is ***** messed up and sick in the head! ***** HILLARY!
http://fizzel89.com/hitlary- Jibberwalk, on 04/06/2008, -2/+1Alright. From hence forth: Godwin.
I called it. It's in action. I wish I had done it at the start of the Bush presidency. Let's think of something new... it's so dated to compare someone to Hitler.
- Jibberwalk, on 04/06/2008, -2/+1Alright. From hence forth: Godwin.
- MikeFallopian, on 04/06/2008, -4/+5As Jon Stewart said, "too much democracy... killing Democrat party..."
- spyres, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1There is no "democrat" party. That's Rush Limbaugh's retarded way of denigrating the 'Democratic Party"
- jbeardsl, on 04/06/2008, -1/+9I think she's just trying to promote better health care coverage for sniper victims, what's the harm in that?
- dattaway, on 04/06/2008, -6/+27Q. How do you tell when Senator Clinton is lying?
A. Her mouth moves.- themonkman, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1I am compelled to digg up any occurrences of this joke. It's almost like having OCD.
- JosephStalin, on 04/06/2008, -1/+1Q. How do you tell when a politician is lying?
A. Its mouth moves.
- diplo, on 04/06/2008, -10/+2wow the ten millionth anti-hillary story on digg. Remember when every second story on digg was a pro-ronpaul story? funny how all those went away so quickly. Can you say "bunch of frickin sheep"? Knew ya could.
- travis1982, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2whore
- theaceoffire, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2(For those who can't see it, the irony is the Hillary supporter calling other people sheep)
- gluecode, on 04/06/2008, -3/+6Hillary Clinton is a serial liar. She is on par with the Bush government. She is also capable of lying us into war.
- kofijr, on 04/06/2008, -5/+1OMG!!!! Again????????
- scottc, on 04/06/2008, -0/+7A more complete story about this is here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us/politics/05wo ...
In that story is this gem from a Clinton spokesman: "If the hospital claims it did not happen that way, we respect that.” - madroneDorf, on 04/06/2008, -2/+2It almost seems that Hillary Clinton has a troubled relation with the truth
- omnithought, on 04/06/2008, -1/+13"I remember, back in the 'Nam when I won the Medal of Honor carrying Abraham Lincoln through a hail of bullets and then fed ice cream to all the children in the world. I was wearing my Miss Universe crown at the time and had just finished climbing the Statue of Liberty to apply some paint touch-ups. What? Oh no, not LITERALLY or anything...I kind of misspoke..."
- Aethirig, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1Thank you for the funny post. Almost makes me feel like Riverdancing. :awesome:
- 47f0, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NTNh8bKSmh8
- Sbebo, on 04/06/2008, -5/+3The last thing I'd like to do is help Hillary, but it seems that she was simply told this story by someone who heard the story from someone else. Something just got lost in the 'game of telephone'. True she should have checked the facts, and true it's kind of wrong telling these personal stories of someone's tragedy whom you don't know, but you can't really call her a liar. She couldn't help it. She's ***** crazy.
- themonkman, on 04/06/2008, -0/+4While I'd love to digg you up for calling her crazy, I had to digg you down because your being an apologist for Hillary. There is no excuses for her lies or embellishments. It's ***** like this that led us into Iraq. I sure as hell don't want her answering the red phone at 3am. You never know how twisted the story of what happened during that call will be when it hits the public, if it even gets that far.
- Jovensdesciple, on 04/06/2008, -11/+4How come when Obama lies it doesn't make digg? You know, like when he said he wasn't a muslim.
- okto, on 04/06/2008, -1/+4He's not. He's a Christian, it's well known what church he attends, everyone knows his pastor's politics, blah blah blah. Even if he was a devout Muslim, who cares? It's not like he's going to get sworn in (on a Qur'an or otherwise) and then turn around and issue six fatwas.
I can't wait 'til Daoists or Zoroastrians are the wild-eyed religious/political xenophobic fantasy du jour.- Jovensdesciple, on 04/06/2008, -5/+2He is a muslim. And if you are an infidel you should be very worried.
- travis1982, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2Even if he is Muslim...isn't he from Africa...I think there is a big difference in Muslims from the middle east and the ones from Africa. Don't see many black Muslims taking up jobs as suicide bombers.
- Jovensdesciple, on 04/06/2008, -4/+3Ever heard of Darfur?
- travis1982, on 04/06/2008, -1/+3yea...but he is from Kenya?
- theaceoffire, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2@travis1982
Where the giraffes are? - okto, on 04/06/2008, -1/+1I think you mean lions. As in, where can you see lions, only in Kenya, come to Kenya we've got lions, Kenya believe it?
- okto, on 04/06/2008, -1/+1Do you have any proof that he is a Muslim, or do you 'just know' that he is?
- travis1982, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2Even if he is Muslim...isn't he from Africa...I think there is a big difference in Muslims from the middle east and the ones from Africa. Don't see many black Muslims taking up jobs as suicide bombers.
- Jovensdesciple, on 04/06/2008, -5/+2He is a muslim. And if you are an infidel you should be very worried.
- themonkman, on 04/06/2008, -2/+5 You. Yeah you. Out of the gene pool! Anybody that thinks he's Muslim, especially after the whole Rev. Wright stupidity, is a royal idiot. Again, even if he was, who the ***** cares? This is America, remember. You can be whatever religion you want.
- pbd1637, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2Except in public schools, court rooms and other government offices. It is amazing when and where religion counts and when it doesn't.
- kiubo, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2I'm sorry did you say something? I couldn't make it out because of all the ***** in your mouth. I don't mind people giving arguments to the contrary but they have to be just that... arguments. Not ***** xenophobic alarmist drivel with no base.
- okto, on 04/06/2008, -1/+4He's not. He's a Christian, it's well known what church he attends, everyone knows his pastor's politics, blah blah blah. Even if he was a devout Muslim, who cares? It's not like he's going to get sworn in (on a Qur'an or otherwise) and then turn around and issue six fatwas.
- PHiZ187, on 04/06/2008, -1/+2I'm tired of the *****, folksy stories she keeps telling. If I wanted some folksy ***** I would have voted for Bush in the past elections (I didn't).
- lndmn01, on 04/06/2008, -4/+4Why don't we just accept that all politicians lie? Obama said he was conceived at Selma but was born 5 years later. Obama said he never heard the "hate filled" sermons of Rev. Wright after 20 years at the church then later says he would have left the church had Wright stayed. Obama claimed that "lobbyists won't work in my White House" but it was found that they WOULD in his own written plan.
Why don't we just accept that all politicians today lie instead of bashing one and pumping up another? - raybury, on 04/06/2008, -6/+3I have to give Hill-dog a partial pass on this one; politicians use 3rd-party anecdotes all the time, so I don't regard her as a pathological liar in this instance. I regard her as a bad manager in this instance, not making sure her people were vetting this stuff. Meanwhile the I-ducked-snipers story does count toward pathological liar status.
Do people miss checkups because of high medical costs, and thus potentially miss life-threatening conditions? Yes. Worse, people with the means -- insurance and enough money for co-pays and deductibles -- often neglect preventative medical care. But the latter does not justify John Edwards-style arrests for not going to your doctor, and the former does not allow us to ignore the free-rider effect and other perverse economic issues of any sort of health-care "liberalization."
My hero continues to be someone I am also jealous of: The guy who got my long-time best friend pregnant and who not only stepped up right away, but gave up his high-rate consulting in favor of a full-time job with full medical insurance. In the meantime a close relative has teenagers and an unhealthy wife yet has never had good medical coverage, preferring his consulting rate yet wasting most of his money on weed. - manningbowl135, on 04/06/2008, -4/+1The hate on Hilary on Digg is amazing.
- theaceoffire, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2She is very good at earning it.
If Hate was money, she wouldn't be in debt anymore.
- theaceoffire, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2She is very good at earning it.
- nsanidy, on 04/06/2008, -0/+5Description rules to follow:
1. Proper grammar is used.
2. One exclamation point (!) per exclamatory statement.
3. Don't make stupid jokes.
4. Incorporate "meow" at some point. If you reach ten "meows", you might drink from a saucer. - mbraynard, on 04/06/2008, -1/+3This is only the kind of thing you care about when it's the OTHER guy doing it. If it was your guy, you would probably rationalize it ('she is telling the story third hand', 'it's for a good cause', etc.)
- richizzle, on 04/06/2008, -2/+5LEAVE HILLARY ALOOOOOOOOOOONE!
- rento, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1I am crying too!!!! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
- usgovterrorists, on 04/06/2008, -6/+1It would be easier to ask which politician doesn't lie.
United States Government are terrorists, war criminals, and horrific liars.
9-11 was an inside job! What happened to building 7?
Depleted uranium is a weapon of mass destruction!
Play Wall Street like a PONZI SCHEME! - shoguner, on 04/06/2008, -5/+0Hillary Rotten *****
- yaywowyay, on 04/06/2008, -8/+3What a *****.
- RevoFM, on 04/06/2008, -2/+1Under fire? I distinctly remember sniper fire. Now to RTFA.
- facelesscoward, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2I have to say, I don't see the big deal here. She wasn't being intentionally deceitful (delusional?) like she was with the Bosnia story. She just heard a story and relayed it to people on the campaign trail without checking it first. I'm sure everyone on here has done the same thing privately. Yeah, it's a bit more embarrassing to be called out on it when you're traveling around the country telling it on stage, but it's not a lie. It's just a mistake.
Now, if she continues telling the story and/or doesn't admit her mistake, that would be lying. Right now, this about ties with Obama is not a Muslim "as far as I know" in terms of Hillary Clinton non-issues that Diggers are blowing out of proportion.
Also, if you live in Pennsylvania, remember to go out and vote for Obama on the 22nd. If Clinton loses there, we can finally consider this nomination race over. - beauTL, on 04/06/2008, -3/+1Title should be *Clinton Under Sniper Fire Over False Story Of Health Care"
- PlaztikJeezus, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1hahahahaha!!
- graystar, on 04/06/2008, -2/+1Is Hillary turning into Forest Gump?
- MrViklund, on 04/06/2008, -1/+3I see the Obama FUD spreading community is working today to. You behave like kids you know. The only thing I see are these Clinton bashing articles every day. How much does Obama pay you?
- theaceoffire, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1It doesn't help that she lies about past events, about people who support her, about her opponents, and about things she supports.
- nsanidy, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1Obama pays me in Euros, he knows what's going down.
- averagejoesgym, on 04/06/2008, -1/+1What an idiotic statement: "If the hostpital says it did not happen that way, we respect that". Of course you respect that. If you don't, hospital personnel are gonna get more pissed and embarrass you even more by providing some evidence. What a bunch of clowns. It's like if I was outside a store and said, "I didn't steal anything". Then, store security lifts up my shirt in front of a cop and out falls some merchandise. Then, I look over to the cop and say, "If store security seems to think I stole something, I respect that". How silly the Clinton team is.
- KDX200rider, on 04/06/2008, -3/+0She is a far left liberal, of course she is a compulsive liar. This happens when the mainstream media gives you the pass for years, then suddenly they start calling you out.
- Risktaker, on 04/06/2008, -5/+1I won't be voting for obama or might even vote for McCain thanks to these Digg Obama bots. Obama is more to the left than Hillary KDX try again.
I'll vote McCain
or
I'll stay home
I hate the fact that you guys push propaganda on this site more than the nazi's did in germany. - bluezombie, on 04/06/2008, -1/+1I totally respect the McCain faction. My question for them ... when are you shipping out for Iraq? Because it would be in your best interests to volunteer now before it gets really bad.
At this point, Hill has lied so often that it doesn't really matter HOW she came to lie in this instance. She did. - Jerrbear1, on 04/06/2008, -2/+0Every five links on digg is about how
Hillary and McCain suck and Obama rules. While I agree it's getting really annoying- youreh, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2if you really don't want to hear about the election, you can always customize (link at the top of the screen) and remove the elections 2008 stories. that will get rid of a lot of it.
- URnotheonly1, on 04/06/2008, -1/+1the reality is that Obama, Hillary the entire democrat party is run by Muslims. Bill Clinton himself has been paid millions by them.
- derekivey, on 04/06/2008, -0/+4Whats up with the "Also do you really believe she met and got a handshake from MLK Jr.s at 14?!!? Vote here!!!!!" in the description? I don't even see anything about that on the webpage...
- nsanidy, on 04/06/2008, -0/+2Thank you! I had to comment on it as well above you. Stuff like that is completely unnecessary while detracting from the subject matter at hand.
- DiggJonDough, on 04/06/2008, -1/+1I don't like the whole lot of 'em. I think someone running as an independent could have a shot at this election if it were the right person. I bet Al Gore could win (again) as an independent.
- mrmudgeon, on 04/06/2008, -0/+0I can tell who people support just base on the comments here. Hillary supporters are willing to overlook any lie told by their candidate.
My answer to those people is that that if your person is really to win the Whitehouse, some actual honesty should be involved. She was specific about the person and the hospital. Facts which were incredibly easy to check up on. The fact that she could not actually find a "true" story to rely on is telling.
My question to the Clinton supporters out there is simpy this.
Is it OK with you that your candidate lies and distorts so much? This is one in a long series of lies that do not seem to be matched by other people in the race. - StrawberryMacaw, on 04/06/2008, -0/+1http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/05/clinton-u ...
A Clinton spokesman, Mo Elleithee, said candidates would frequently retell stories relayed to them, vetting them when possible. "In this case, we did try but were not able to fully vet it," Mr. Elleithee said. "If the hospital claims it did not happen that way, we respect that."
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It's three AM and your children are safe and asleep, but there's a phone in the White House and it's ringing. A voice says there's something happening in the world. Would Hillary check it out first, or would she just believe whatever the voice said and push the button?
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