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- Conspiracy20, on 07/26/2008, -2/+14They've had enough U.S. "help" to last lifetimes! So have Americans.
- avengingturnip, on 07/26/2008, -2/+7Stuff I am hearing from Europe is that they are absolutely in love with the guy.
- insurgente, on 07/26/2008, -0/+2Depends who you ask. The liberals (bourgeoisie, who are a minority) probably like him, while leftists of all kinds (the vast majority) aren't that enthralled by him.
- avengingturnip, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1For me it is friends of relatives or distant relatives who are just run of the mill Germans. The hoi polloi seem absolutely enthralled. Of course, they all hate George Bush.
- insurgente, on 07/27/2008, -0/+3I, as a Swede, don't know many who are "believing" in Obama. It might be because of the sort of people I usually hang around with (trade unionists, syndicalists, anarchists, communists and the like).
Let's put it like this instead. If Obama were to run in Europe on the same platform as he is running on in the United States, he shouldn't count on getting many votes.
The only ones here, in Sweden, who are bigging him up are the liberal newspapers (Dagens Nyheter, Expressen), the Liberal Party and it's youth organization Liberal Youth of Sweden, the Moderates (another liberal party) and it's youth organization, the Moderate Youth League.
The Liberal Party and the Moderates only got 7.9% and 26.2% of the votes in the 2006 general election, respectively. They won the general election only by forming an alliance with the Centre Party and the Christian Democrats. Since the installation of the alliance government, the support for both pro-Obama parties have dropped a great deal, with support for the Liberal Party at 7.5% and support for the Moderate Party at 25%. This is due voting for surveillance laws, attacks on the rights of the working class and trade unions, on healthcare, etc, etc.
On a pretty unrelated note, I wouldn't trust Expressen, ever. They called for the re-colonialization of South America, Africa and Asia. Just great, isn't it?
- insurgente, on 07/26/2008, -0/+2Depends who you ask. The liberals (bourgeoisie, who are a minority) probably like him, while leftists of all kinds (the vast majority) aren't that enthralled by him.
- angeladtao, on 07/26/2008, -2/+4Bushwacho has lost us the goodwill of most of the world. He rode in on a tide of
smoozing and enthusiasm, too. Why should the Europeans believe Sen. Obama
is anything different? Only time will tell if he is the real deal. I believe he is. They
have a longer history of dealing with despots and tragedies than we do. They might
take a little more convincing.- JagPop, on 07/26/2008, -2/+4"real deal" what?
Real deal opportunist politician?
Was NEVER for withdrawing troops in Iraq, he has been
an enabler straight down the line.
Did NOT vote against empowering Bush to attack Iran vis-a-vis the Sept 2007 Kyl-Lieberman amendment.
Gave a fawning speech before AIPAC.
Told us he would demand certain things from the FISA legislation and then when the nomination was sewed up he...WHAT did he do? --
the Real Deal? - insurgente, on 07/26/2008, -0/+2Depends on what you define as "the real deal". No follower of the American ideology (neo-liberalism) is at any date likely to win the support of the Europeans.
Most Europeans, even the bourgeois liberals, are in favour of "de-Americanization", that is to say less reliance on the United States and strengthening ties to South America, Africa and Asia, but also increased self-reliance.
- JagPop, on 07/26/2008, -2/+4"real deal" what?
- Shiftgood, on 07/26/2008, -1/+6"In Germany, politicians in front of large, shouting crowds evoke images that nobody wants to see repeated."
I smell hidden agenda.
Any Euro-Diggers want to help shed some light on this subject? it would be much appreciated.- Vinceres, on 07/26/2008, -2/+5America is heading into an overtly fascist state.
Hope that clears everything up for you, son.- Shiftgood, on 07/27/2008, -2/+1the uhh... "fascists"... that run the country HATE obama.
- Vinceres, on 07/27/2008, -0/+3the uhh.... "government" ...that owns you don't hate any of their political puppets.
- Vinceres, on 07/26/2008, -2/+5America is heading into an overtly fascist state.
- roosevans, on 07/27/2008, -3/+3I really think Obama should have not given a public speech in Europe. He is after all just the presumptive Democratic nominee for President, not the President. His public speech smacks of arrogance. As an American, I was turned off by his public speech in a foreign country. Americans need a good President, not an emperor.
- actorboy, on 07/27/2008, -1/+2"As a Bob Barr supporter, I was turned off by his public speech in a foreign country"
Fixed it for you.- roosevans, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1Thanks actorboy (chuckles)!
- actorboy, on 07/27/2008, -1/+2"As a Bob Barr supporter, I was turned off by his public speech in a foreign country"
- MarkEarhart, on 07/27/2008, -1/+2Why the Hell would anyone like Obama?
- insurgente, on 07/27/2008, -1/+1They would be even less supportive of Ron Paul.
- Kangalanatolian, on 07/28/2008, -1/+2I remember Ron Paul winning a world internet poll.
I think they would actually prefer dollars to be worth gold. Pretty sure, yeah.
Anything wrong with removing our soldiers from their country? Wrapping up the empire and minding our own business?
Just what would they have against Ron Paul?
- Kangalanatolian, on 07/28/2008, -1/+2I remember Ron Paul winning a world internet poll.
- insurgente, on 07/27/2008, -1/+1They would be even less supportive of Ron Paul.
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