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Bill Vs. Barack

newyorker.com — When Hillary Clinton ’s Presidential campaign was launched, in January, 2007, her supporters feared that Bill would overshadow her, as he had when they both spoke at the funeral of Coretta Scott King, a year earlier. Now the constant fear is that he will embarrass her.

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kithogan, on 04/28/2008, -46/+3BILL CLINTON WANTS A THIRD TERM IN THE WHITE HOUSE SO BADLY HE'LL DO OR SAY ANYTHING TO PUSH HIS LYING WIFE OVER THE FINISH LINE FIRST. NO WONDER HE DISLIKES OBAMA. OBAMA IS A NICE GUY. THE CLINTON TAG TEAM HAS TO BE STOPPED BY THE VOTERS. VOTE OBAMA
- ziptnf, on 04/28/2008, -5/+18CAPS LOCK MAKES YOU SOUND INTELLIGENT. KEEP TYPING WITH IT. NO, REALLY.
  - je12u, on 04/28/2008, -4/+1YOU CAN HEAR SOUND BY READING COMMENTS?
    - hittnrun, on 04/28/2008, -6/+1You Obamalickers do remember that we grownups, ie: Republicans, warned you idiots about the Clintons but you told us to fvck off. Here we are again and you've all got your lips on yet other loser. Why not be smart this election year and vote with the grownups. Otherwise, 4 years from now, we'll be doing this all over again. You libs will never learn.
      - je12u, on 04/29/2008, -1/+0 Now whats your grownup explanation for GW's actions?
- chrissku, on 04/28/2008, -1/+12WHY ARE WE YELLING?
- brstilson, on 04/28/2008, -1/+15I DONT KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOOOUT!!!
  - longbow486, on 04/28/2008, -4/+3Is this angry yelling or busted hearing aid yelling?
    - daimposter, on 04/28/2008, -1/+2it's steve carrel yelling
- poiuytrewq44, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1WUUUUUT?!? YES I HAVE KIDNEY FAILURE!!!
ElAssoWipo, on 04/28/2008, -22/+17LOUD NOISES.
- uaioe, on 04/28/2008, -1/+4I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE SHOUTING ABOUT
scottfarner, on 04/28/2008, -8/+15The Clinton's have brought disgrace to the Presidency with their campaign tactics. However, the shamefulness of their behavior has been largely ignored by mainstream media and the general public. The populous just doesn't seem to care.
- runCMD, on 04/28/2008, -5/+1Do you have something new that hasn't been negated already ? .. speak up. I do want to hear - if there's anything new.
- daimposter, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1you don't watch the news, do you? The major news programs have talked plenty about the 'negative campaign' that the clintons have run. whether it's true or not, that is what is on the news every week.
lpmiller, on 04/28/2008, -5/+40MY CAPLOCK KEY IS BROKEN AND I AM UNABLE TO MAKE A DECENT STATEMENT WITHOUT LARGE, YELLING LETTERS. ALSO, MILDLY RETARDED.
- uaioe, on 04/28/2008, -0/+8CAPS LOCK IS LIKE CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
  - pyro789x, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1EVEN WITH CRUISE CONTROL YOU STILL HAVE TO STEER
- widgetmaker, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1i CAN MAKE CLICHÉD GENERIC COMMENTS TOO!
- bernlin2000, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1THAT YOU ARE! IS THIS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO MENTION THAT OBAMA, CLINTON, AND/OR MCCAIN ARE ALL FASCISTS AND WILL NUKE EVERY CITY IN THE WORLD AND WE WILL ALL DIE IN A HORRIBLE BALL OF FLAME!!!!11!!!11ONE
nickcozy, on 04/28/2008, -23/+5Obama's body language still looks a bit fake.
- ziptnf, on 04/28/2008, -4/+23This is what pisses me off about American voters. Some of you ***** pay so much attention to retarded details like his body language and whether or not he puts his hand over his heart during the national anthem. Don't vote.
  - 1gunners4, on 04/28/2008, -11/+10What about those of us who are scared that a "President Obama" would begin massive regulation of financial and international trade markets, put in a whole-sale homeowner buyout, and increase taxes to the point that the economy tumbles into oblivion?
    
    I love that he wants to make the government transparent once more, while holding everyone in the old administration accountable for their actions, yet every time he opens his mouth about the economy and regulation and buy-outs, it makes me cringe.
    - mcquitty, on 04/28/2008, -10/+11Be careful, you brought up issues. Bringing up issues may cause you to get dugg down.
    - MrErr, on 04/28/2008, -2/+3What about our budget deficit and the falling value of the dollar? I would rather have some regulation and higher taxes if they could balance the budget and prevent the dollar from falling. I think if the government only spends the money they have, then people will hold the government responsible for its policies, because any dumb policy will cost tax-payer. But with a budget financed by borrowings from China, the Government feels it can do as it pleases.
      - 1gunners4, on 04/28/2008, -1/+3I'd be curious to hear how he plans to balance the budget while buying out the risky home-owners, closing free trade markets, regulating the financial markets, and raising taxes in a recession. Last debate he got nailed when he said he would raise the Capital Gains tax and it was pointed out that revenue went up when it was originally lowered, and we very well could be in the same situation. Limiting spending and boosting the economy works far better for cutting into the deficit than increasing taxes and increasing spending (withdrawing from Iraq will cost more than staying there currently does, so pulling out of Iraq won't save money until about 5 years, meaning that can't be counted on).
      - mcquitty, on 04/28/2008, -1/+4I am all for balancing the budget. In looking at Mr. Obama's energy positions, all I found was spend, spend, spend.
        
        His goals are laudable. I can't figure out where he is going to get the billions needed while not creating a tax burden on the middle class. He lists several goals, but most are going to cost billions. Nine of his energy policies require new spending and new government programs. Why should the federal government try to create locally owned bio-fuel centers? I want efficiency. I don't care if it is owned by a local man or a corporation. Inefficiency is bad.
        
        He wants to tax energy companies. Ok. Nice. Who pays those taxes? ExxonMobil? Nope. The average citizen pays the taxes for every corporation. This will be a tax on the middle class. The only difference is ExxonMobil and Chevron will be collecting it.
        
        He wants tax overhaul. Great. Who thinks he is going to get it? Let me see, there's this large government agency, called the IRS, who will oppose it. How about CPAs? Intuit? H&R Block? Tax attorneys?
        
        I want pork spending to stop. But he doesn't address it. He wants farm subsidies, but only to small farmers. I am sorry, if farmers can't compete, then don't compete. If you can't plant something and make money off it, then don't. And don't ask the government for money to not grow something, either.
- willywong, on 04/28/2008, -1/+7You're saying he's a robot?
  - theaceoffire, on 04/28/2008, -0/+2Never trust robots.
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=tb2Pzl1U0sY
- chrissku, on 04/28/2008, -1/+6Where you watching Obama's body movements while Hillary was in the background telling you her Bosnia story? Great measure of a President is now "body language"? Wow.......
drmangrum, on 04/28/2008, -3/+17Sometimes I wonder if Bill is being passive aggressive. He's "helping" her out to appear the good husband but subtly sabotaging her campaign because he knows she wouldn't be a good president. If that's the case, keep on truckin' Billy boy.
- NSResponder, on 04/28/2008, -0/+3"subtly sabotaging her campaign because he knows she wouldn't be a good president. "
  
  I don't think that's why he's sabotaging her. Yeah, he knows she would be a lousy president, but I think it's more personal than that.
  
  -jcr
  - FearlessFreep, on 04/28/2008, -0/+4More like jealousy that she would be president and not him?
    - drmangrum, on 04/28/2008, -4/+3Why would he be jealous? He had that position for 8 years. He did a damn good job at it. He had his problems to be sure, but if you look back over the last 30 years, he's the best of the bunch.
      - NSResponder, on 04/28/2008, -1/+2"He did a damn good job at it."
        
        Nope. He had the good fortune to have a congress that wouldn't do what he wanted, and the market was able to adapt to the status quo. If he'd succeeded at any of his major policy initiatives, he'd be just like Jimmy Carter.
        
        -jcr
stonewaljacksn, on 04/28/2008, -8/+12Clinton ruled as a President, and anyone who disagrees should not be voting for Barack Obama. You are a blind hypocrite if you do. Who gives a ***** what people say, Bill Clinton actually WON the damn thing and we got to see his actions. Barack is a the kind of middle way/moderate Democrat that Clinton was and is. So go ahead, keep talking all your ***** about Bill Clinton, but if you are voting for Barack and doing so I can only imagine that you were born in 1990 and have no clear recollection of the Clinton administration, and thus get caught up in seeing him as some vague Darth Vader type villain. Give it up kids, a Clinton-esque Democrat is who you will be voting for either way come November, so you probably shouldnt be hating on the guy.
- 1gunners4, on 04/28/2008, -4/+5Obama is modeling himself as a moderate-democrat, this doesn't mean he necessarily is one. In 2007, he ranked 99 in the Senate for casting the most liberal votes (100 is most liberal, 1 is most conservative). Independents who really look into his voting record don't see a moderate, which is what he needs to convince people of, especially when going up against McCain (who's record supports his claim).
  - apetrie, on 04/28/2008, -4/+5You are ignorant to what "moderate" means. Please educate yourself on the actual political scale, not the screwed up rightist insane scale that has been invented in the U.S. You don't have a a clue what liberal even means. If he is the MOST "liberal" senator its because you don't actually have any "liberal" senators.
    - 1gunners4, on 04/28/2008, -4/+5I like how I provide numbers and you provide ad hominem attacks. Obviously, your oratory skills are only matched by your comprehension.
      - apetrie, on 04/28/2008, -3/+4The numbers are completely irrelevant to my response. Also, "oratory skills" means public speaking skills, so you might want to edit your little form letter style response. It doesn't quite make sense as it doesn't apply to a written response and I haven't made any speeches. You should work on it a bit so the next time you want to make yourself look intelligent with an insult and someone else look dumb, it'll be more effective. Good luck with that.
      - 1gunners4, on 04/28/2008, -1/+1Yet your ad hominems matter more than numbers? How so? Obama has the most liberal voting record in 2007 aside from one other Senator. The very definition of the Moderate is someone who either works with both sides or tends to vote either way. Obama does not do that. If you wish to argue semantics more, at least provide your own support.
  - vertexoflife, on 04/28/2008, -0/+2That study, by the National Journal, was incredibly flawed. Obama more liberal then Ted Kennedy? Yeah. Right.
- jcrenshaw, on 04/28/2008, -2/+10I do remember the Clinton's and Bushes, and Regan and LBJ, I was six when JFK was assassinated, So don't preach to me that pious let's all go worship at Holy Mount Clinton. The fact of the matter is both Bill and Hill will say and do anything to win back the Whitehouse, Both are masters of the flip flop, When Hilary started this campaign she said many times that the people should decide. Now she thinks that the Super Delegates should over turn the popular vote and AWARD her the Whitehouse. Do I really want this person answering the phone at 3:00am. Hell NO! This women's moral compass is so off base I would be surprised if should could find her Ass with both hands and a GPS.
  - plhearn, on 04/28/2008, -0/+2Yes she should just give up the race even though she still has a chance at winning through the super delegates. I'm sure thats what you would do if you were running for president. I'm sure all her supporters would agree.
    - hittnrun, on 04/28/2008, -1/+1She needs to stay in until the very end in case another one of Obama's mistakes rears its ugly head and ends all of your little dreams. It could happen. Fasten your seat belts, children. Drink your koolaid.
- NSResponder, on 04/28/2008, -4/+4"Clinton ruled as a President,"
  
  That's the problem. US Presidents aren't supposed to rule, they're supposed to serve.
  
  -jcr
- jjmelch, on 04/28/2008, -1/+5God, you were probably seventeen years old when he was president and don't remember what an ass he turned out to be. Please read something besides the funny pages and find out how he trashed a healthy economy essentially laying the groundwork for what we have now. Read how his foreign policy led to today's problems in the mid-east.
- ncnavguy, on 04/28/2008, -1/+3"Clinton ruled as a President, and anyone who disagrees should not be voting for Barack Obama."
  Good thing this is America and I can vote for who I want and for whatever reason I want . I could explain that society and people evolve over time and that I don't agree with what the Clinton's have evolved into. Or on the other hand ***** You!
- JulyZerg, on 04/28/2008, -1/+1What he did in the past isn't important. He's acting like an ***** now, and that's all that matters.
- stonewaljacksn, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1YOU ARE VOTING FOR A PARTY NOT A CANDIDATE. Just because you all have your pride wrapped up with Obama you refuse to realize that he is ALL FOR THE SAME PRINCIPLES AS THE CLINTONS.
chrissku, on 04/28/2008, -3/+23It really upsets me that the media is portraying this as a close race. Hillary CAN'T catch Obama in the popular vote or the pledged delegate count. The only thing she is doing is hurting her own party. The media is aiding her effort by trying to convince voters that this race is still up for grabs. It's not.....Obama has won the nomination. This whole thing is turning me off from politics.
- stonewaljacksn, on 04/28/2008, -0/+7You must have missed out on the 2004 Democratic Gang-rape of Howard Dean.(BEFORE the scream).
  That's pretty much where I lost all faith in the Democratic Party.
  - MrErr, on 04/28/2008, -0/+3I remember that. It was awful. I think the media has really screwed us over. I am glad for the internet. Hopefully when we have a whole generation that grew up with the internet as their news sourse, then maybe the media will really think about doing its job.
- PopcornDave, on 04/28/2008, -0/+2I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's in the media's best interest to keep this going as long as they possibly can because it's the juiciest story they've got to sell ADVERTISING TIME and that, unfortunately, is what most all the media is about anymore.
- plhearn, on 04/28/2008, -1/+2You are wrong. Obama has not won the nomination. Clinton can still win through super delegates. Also, Obama can't beat McCain in the general election.
  
  http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/A ...
  http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps ...
runCMD, on 04/28/2008, -7/+6blah blah blah ... : ) I see your lips moving, but all I hear is blah blah blah blah ( I saw this on a t-shirt )
Hey - for a change, say something positive about your own candidate instead something trashy about people supporting mine : )
You CANT have run out of nice things to say about Obama yet - can you : )
- stonewaljacksn, on 04/28/2008, -10/+5Perfect example of why Hillary supporters put Obama supporters to shame.
  - Aensland, on 04/28/2008, -1/+4"Perfect"? In what world? Put down the bong.
  - stonewaljacksn, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1Perfect in the sense that you just made an ***** comment in support of Obama, while two comments above is a kindly worded hillary supporter comment asking you to stop trashtalking them.
Jwoey, on 04/28/2008, -1/+3May 5, 2008?
- MacEnvy, on 04/28/2008, -0/+3Like Time and Newsweek, the New Yorker dates its articles based on the edition in which they appear. This is from the May 5 edition.
  - Jwoey, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1Ahh, thanks.
- bernlin2000, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1I think the date usually refers to the last day of circulation, which is usually the day before the next edition is going to come out
usgovterrorists, on 04/28/2008, -8/+6How do you embarrass a neocon?
Deceit is their mode of operation, when caught in a lie, they're happy to tell you another lie.
- ender7074, on 04/28/2008, -1/+1Funny how you manage to ignore all of the lies out of the Stalinists a.k.a. liberals. Hell, Clinton got in front of Congress, swore to tell the truth, then lied through his teeth. Guess thats ok though right? Seems like Deceit is the default lib mode of operation too.
  - usgovterrorists, on 04/28/2008, -4/+1I consider Clinton, Obama, and McCain are all neocons! The elites own all the horses in the phony elections.
  - MrErr, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1OK so they all are liars. I would like to see a change of that kind off politics.
- TRScheel, on 04/28/2008, -0/+2You're an idiot if you think one political group is the only to use deceit
  
  Get used to the idea that they all lie
groone, on 04/28/2008, -3/+2blay yawn blah blah yawn yawn
frostbyt, on 04/28/2008, -2/+2Who cares?
chrissku, on 04/28/2008, -1/+5Someone needs to Rickroll a Hillary Clinton campaign speech. Nothing would please me more.
Ne007, on 04/28/2008, -0/+6I just want a president that doesn't annoy the ***** out of me. Obama is the only one that doesn't other than Ron Paul.

If Hillary gets the nomination then I am definitely writing in Ron Paul.
- chrissku, on 04/28/2008, -0/+3If Hillary gets the nomination I'll make sure I take part in the wide spread protests that will occur in black neighborhoods in every city throughout the united States. At this point she would have to steal it from Barack. (not that I would put it past her)
  - Ne007, on 04/29/2008, -0/+1I wish Ron Paul would steal it from McCain tho...
    
    Corruption never works in the favor of the good guys unfortunately.
flink405, on 04/28/2008, -8/+3Go, Hillary, Go!

Why is Obama afraid to debate Hillary? What better way for the whole country to see why he should be President by debating her 1-on-1. No moderators. Just Hillary vs. Obama.
- ender7074, on 04/28/2008, -5/+1Because the man can't speak off of teleprompter. Thats why. Oh and the fact Hillary mopped the floor with him last debate. You Obama people better pray that they don't make him debate. You will see what a pile of crap he is then.
- chrissku, on 04/28/2008, -1/+2Afraid? No....you see they have had 22 debates already. The voters know where they stand. Lets get this charade over with now. The sooner Hillary drops out the sooner the Democrats can actually prepare for the real election in November.
- MrErr, on 04/28/2008, -1/+2Because Hillary does not debate policies or government. She likes distractions.
- PopcornDave, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1Obama *should* take the debate if only to ask Hillary why she always wears pant suits and does this make her think she's more able to compete in the masculine world dressed like that.
  There's no reason for Obama to debate her, no matter what the Clinton supporters say. The person in the lead decides when and where they're going to debate. It's not just Obama, it's every political candidate known to man.
- plhearn, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1Obama has lost to Hillary in every debate thus far. He knows he can't beat Hillary in a 1v1 debate so his camp will just keep making up excuses as to why a debate isn't important. Quite frankly, its obvious that Obama's campaign is going downhill fast. He couldn't deal with Hillary picking on him before and now that the media has him targeted its more pressure than hes able to handle. Hillary has been ruthlessly hounded up until this point and it hasn't slowed her down one bit. Its a good thing these candidates get scrutinized by the media because the weaker candidates like Obama need to be weeded out.
ender7074, on 04/28/2008, -3/+5Awwwwww, darling Bill is not the big lib savior anymore? How fast you guys change your tune and turn on your own. Its great to see how the libs operate.
- mlrigsby, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1Bill Clinton is not and never was a liberal savior. He is and always has been a moderate conservative posing as a Democrat. I blame Bill Clinton for much of the huge rightward swing in American politics in the last 10 years.
- 222good, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1right, because every conservative who voted for bush still supports him.
Homerr, on 04/28/2008, -2/+5It's all about the integrity, stupid. The Clintons have none.
jjmelch, on 04/28/2008, -6/+3It really is about integrity and unfortunately neither of these buffoons have any for two reasons: 1) They are politicians, 2) They are Democrats.
- chrissku, on 04/28/2008, -2/+2...and the Republican party is full of integrity right? Like for example Bathroomstahlhomosexual Gate? Was that an example of Republican integrity?
JointVenture, on 04/28/2008, -2/+3I'm actually starting to believe that there is a part of Bill Clinton who doesn't want his wife to be president. It may be in there real deep but on perhaps a sub conscious level there is a part of him that doesn't want the legacy of his presidency to be mixed up with hers.
TinternAbbot, on 04/28/2008, -1/+3He often embarrassed the country as President, why should this be a surprise now? I do thoroughly enjoy how quickly the Democrats eat their own, though.
aenima987, on 04/28/2008, -3/+2barack is such a badass name, he sounds like a ninja
- RRJackson, on 04/28/2008, -3/+1Yes, an Islamic Ninja Jihadist. Someone James Bond would kill in the third act of the next EON Productions franchise installment.
- hittnrun, on 04/28/2008, -2/+2Barry is his real name. lol
  
  Barack is the sound my azz makes in the morning. lol
- Laughsatyou, on 05/01/2008, -0/+1Baraka from Mortal Kombat
RRJackson, on 04/28/2008, -4/+3Bill's a hero to the nation according to the Left until someone younger with minority cred comes along. "He's young and he's black! I touched his skin, he's really black!!! Screw that old white man!"
- hittnrun, on 04/28/2008, -1/+3If he was a Republican, can you imagine the names he would be called by the diggkids????
bernlin2000, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1I don't think this campaign has helped Bill out too much, in the long run. He has come across has gaffe-prone and an overall deterrent to Hillary winning the presidency. I think the media has overblown and exaggerated as usual, and I'm sure he's done a lot of good in the background. We just haven't seen it
nocash23, on 04/28/2008, -1/+0Hillary is doing a good enough job embarrassing herself i really dont think she needs any help.
BrendanSheehan, on 04/29/2008, -1/+1This idiot has to be getting paid by Bill to write this *****.
ecrunner, on 04/29/2008, -0/+0I expected more with a title like that, but i am always up for a Clinton bash.... They suck.
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