Bill Moyers interviews the Reverend Jeremiah - FULL VIDEO watch!
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- tcbishop12, on 04/26/2008, -28/+91Finally something more than deviously edited soundbites. Truth and humanity. Refreshing.
- JimmySpaza, on 04/26/2008, -45/+21Bullcrap! Wright has shown himself to be a supremacist, racist, and anti-American bigot. He spews far more of his own opinion than does he proclaim the Bible.
How can you apologists explain this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4WMqlfiQKo
Wright's "truth and humanity" has been exposed for all to see.- l0k0, on 04/26/2008, -18/+20Took you longer than I expected to make your biased rant.
- Doomxeen, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2First off. I actually enjoyed his "god damn america" bit.
But..
I'm tired of hearing this same thing come out of a lot of black leaders(the youtube video). I think they are living in the past as much as the relatively small number of full-blown racists left. The sooner black leaders just be PEOPLE, the sooner we can actually move past the problems of the past.
However, none of that was racist in any way.............................. None of it seemed to have anything to do with "black surpremecy" in any way. Anyone that could actually say they felt like he was on a racist, black supremecist rant in that video is really, really stupid. Not that we all don't know how stupid jimmyspaza is already.
- Doomxeen, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2First off. I actually enjoyed his "god damn america" bit.
- qwerter, on 04/26/2008, -8/+17Wright hasn't said anything racist. If he did, you would be able to point it out for us to see. He didn't, so you can't, and you won't--it's easier just to declare that he's racist and repeat it over and over. Besides, if Wright is so racist, how do you explain a white Catholic priest coming to his defense?
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Catholic_Priest_ ...- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -13/+10Father Michael Pfleger is one sorry ass priest. He used to "room" with another African and that man got caught raping one of the black children his church had adopted. The Catholic church tried to remove Father Michael Pfleger after the event occurred but they could not because he is like Jessie Jackson....a black fanatic and they said they would burn down the church. He is NO Catholic....he has the church by the balls....they have disowned him and what was left of his church after the rape.
I'm in Chicago with the rapist....so where are you that you would post a story about the rapist and use him as proof of anything good?- qwerter, on 04/26/2008, -6/+7Also Chicago. So what?
Your comment doesn't make sense--is Pfleger a rapist, or is the man he roomed with a rapist? Can you prove either allegation, or would that destroy your title of "King of Unfounded Ad Hominems"? - RepubOperative, on 04/27/2008, -5/+8"Father" Michael Pfleger calling for John "R-i-g-g-i-o", the owner of a Chuck's Gun Shop (along with "legislators" who don't support citizen disarmament) to be "snuffed out"....then saying he didn't know that snuffing out meant to kill. What a joke.
http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2007/05/snuff-out-mi ...
The Chicago Sun-Times is reporting that Cardinal Francis George has issued a statement about comments made at an anti-gun rally from Rev. Michael Pfleger, a well known activist priest. The two priests have openly disagreed on many issues.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/274630/ca ...
As far as the rape conviction on his "partner" it happened in the 1970's and I didn't see it so ***** YOU LIBERAL do your own research. - mrsteveman1, on 04/27/2008, -7/+4You are a troll.
- RepubOperative, on 04/27/2008, -7/+4Removal Of Father Michael Pfleger
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/removable-of-fath ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffHlGgsezyo - mrsteveman1, on 04/27/2008, -4/+5Irrelevant, you are grasping at remote connections to criticize a presidential candidate, attacking a priest for defending another priest who happens to have been barack obamas pastor.
Thats grasping at straws. - qwerter, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2[RO:] "As far as the rape conviction on his 'partner' it happened in the 1970's and I didn't see it so ***** YOU LIBERAL do your own research."
You made the allegation. It's up to YOU to prove it. And (surprise!) you can't, just like 95% of everything you say.
As far as "snuffing out" is concerned, do you honestly believe anyone would go up in front of a group of people, with POLICE and REPORTERS present, and call for murder? Please. That phrase has a lot of definitions, but of course you jump to the worst and most irrational possibility. I followed your links, and here's what I found:
"...the reporters and police that were present at the rally did not interpret his statements as a suggestion for murder. He explains that he was only talking about exposing gun shop owners and politicians that supported them."
- qwerter, on 04/26/2008, -6/+7Also Chicago. So what?
- flip2trip, on 04/26/2008, -7/+7One more addition to what RO said, sort of like the cherry on top if you will, Pfleger looks up to Farrakhan as well--thinks he is a great American. That, in and of itself, should be a clue to the character of the man.
- Xiou, on 04/26/2008, -11/+3The church got mad because they saw it as the black man not knowing his role within the church. It clearly states in the Catholic Doctrine that only white priest get to rape children....
- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -13/+10Father Michael Pfleger is one sorry ass priest. He used to "room" with another African and that man got caught raping one of the black children his church had adopted. The Catholic church tried to remove Father Michael Pfleger after the event occurred but they could not because he is like Jessie Jackson....a black fanatic and they said they would burn down the church. He is NO Catholic....he has the church by the balls....they have disowned him and what was left of his church after the rape.
- mikepictor, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Thanks for posting that.
You know what...for the most part, JW is right in everything he says there (yes a couple of facts were flawed). Being frustrated at the level of white privilege in north america (and much of the world) does not make you a racist. He does not want to suppress whites, he just wants the privilege of being white to go away, for black children to have every opportunity, and every level of treatment as white children.
- l0k0, on 04/26/2008, -18/+20Took you longer than I expected to make your biased rant.
- lunarcanary, on 04/26/2008, -17/+2Above is an example of an especially useful digg comment that was dugg up. It added to the conversation and delivered true intellectual progress to the subject matter.
Tcbishop: You're discourse and commentary is refreshing.- naterpoke, on 04/26/2008, -2/+1your*
- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -36/+21Did the US government create and then give the AIDS virus to blacks? Did the US government import maryjane and cocaine to give to blacks? Then ***** Braack Obama and Jeremiah Wright are racists of the worst kind. ***** BARACK OBAMA!
If Baracka Obama disagreed with what Rev. Jeremiah Wright was saying then why did Baracka Obama "a typical black person" give $27,500 to the church ($22,500 in 2006 and $5,000 in 2005) to Africanzied Trinty United Church run by a man of the past, the black supremacist, conspiracy theorist and racist who infects the younger generation with racial prejudice and animus and then say he came unto us to transcend racism? Sounds like Baracka Obama got caught in another big lie. Maybe you haven't heard everything that Wright said:
YouTube - Best of Jeremiah Wright's Sermons Pt. 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=617eK2XIaLk
YouTube - Best of Jeremiah Wright's Sermons Pt. 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vaNBzU6iryo
YouTube - Israel is responsible for 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnI431s1r6s
YouTube - Jeremiah Wright - Hillary Clinton ain't never been called...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM- nycmac247, on 04/26/2008, -12/+17watched him and ....what if he's right?
- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -25/+13Did the US government create and then give the AIDS virus to blacks? Did the US government import maryjane and cocaine to give to blacks? Then ***** Braack Obama and Jeremiah Wright are racists of the worst kind. ***** BARACK OBAMA!
- Xiou, on 04/26/2008, -6/+9The US government might not of created and given AIDS to the blacks but the US government did give them Syphilis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_experiment
If that link doesn't work for you here are a couple more
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762136.html
http://www.tuskegee.edu/Global/Story.asp?s=1207586
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9705/16/nfm.tuskegee/ind ...
If you need more links just let me know....- DarkShroud, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3The only problems are that the US Government did not create Syphilis and Wright didn't say Syphilis he said Aids.
- InnerRayg, on 04/27/2008, -4/+2Yes RepubOperative, yes they did. Not like a constitutional amendment doing it, but you can easily funnel the massive amount of drug trades that go on here in the US into the lower-class districts, easily. Pablo would have loved that, I should think.
You think this is something new? Remember that little Reconstruction thing, where black people actually ran the Government better than Whites? How do you think they went from full citizens to non-voting pieces of trash that were segregated that they were until the 1960s? Certainly not the newly Democrat-controlled Government, by God's no!
and the Aids virus, oh yeah, that came from monkeys. I swear. Like seriously. What possible reason could we have for lying about that? Oh wait.
- sublingo, on 04/26/2008, -5/+6RepubOperative, you are a child.
- timyjl, on 04/27/2008, -2/+4That's an insult to children everywhere.
- TubaTechno, on 04/28/2008, -1/+2I guess it's easier to name call than have an intelligent conversation.
- timyjl, on 04/27/2008, -2/+4That's an insult to children everywhere.
- nycmac247, on 04/26/2008, -12/+17watched him and ....what if he's right?
- fluxion, on 04/26/2008, -6/+10i wonder how many people who claim to be so interested in wright's character and obama's relationship with him will bother to watch this
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -11/+5Remember that one of the campaign slogans for Obama was “Judgment to Lead”. Obama himself opened the debate over his judgment. Now that people want to start asking about his judgment, he wants to label it a “distraction”. But without it he has nothing else to offer except three undistinguished years as a backbencher in the Senate and some very questionable associates such as terrorist bomb-maker Ayers and racist Wright.
- fluxion, on 04/26/2008, -3/+8its a distraction because everyone knows the sounds bites, everyone's heard the insinuations, everyone's heard obama and wright's response, and they keep throwing it out there like it's some brand new development that still requires our undivided attention. WHAT ELSE ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO? and can you honestly NOT understand how someone like obama can find himself in a situation like this without being an anti-american black supremacist? seriously?
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -5/+5Unless you are Ed Morrissey himself, you should credit him with your post.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/25/judgment-now ...
- jcm267, on 04/26/2008, -13/+6Deviously edited? ***** you, racist apologist.
- joaob, on 04/26/2008, -6/+6No, ***** you. And a Digg down.
- jcm267, on 04/26/2008, -10/+6So it's okay to be racist so long as you're black?
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -10/+6Doncha know, blacks can't be racist!
- InnerRayg, on 04/27/2008, -6/+2Because when they say the white man is keeping them down, they're usually right.
- jcm267, on 04/27/2008, -3/+6Give it up, Rayg. The "white man" isn't keeping black people down. Just look at Obama.
- jcm267, on 04/26/2008, -10/+6So it's okay to be racist so long as you're black?
- joaob, on 04/26/2008, -6/+6No, ***** you. And a Digg down.
- brodycentral, on 04/26/2008, -4/+7Truth and Humanity? Was Wright asked about government created AIDS virus? What a joke.....
- deanlowe, on 04/27/2008, -3/+3Despite what he says, Obama is just a politician. That's why he won't stand by Rev. Wright.
- DarkShroud, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Except for the period of time that Wright was a member of his political staff.
- chassach, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Listen to the interview and Wright's comment on this. They are much more nuanced
- DarkShroud, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Except for the period of time that Wright was a member of his political staff.
- dairien, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Don't be fooled, even this video is edited for your viewing pleasure.
I wonder what they snipped out at 1:37 left in the first video. Rev. Wright motions his hands to illustrate several things Dr. King said in speeches he gave shortly before his death. PBS cut out the really controversial comments of course. - plmaclar, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Too many assume that RACISTS are raving loons that howl at the moon and scream into microphones. Take a listen to the references of when he says the word "our." His "our" is not to humanity as a whole, it refers only to the black community. "Our community" "Our music" Christianity, as I have heard it, is that it is supposed to promote love and concern for all people. I don't see how putting "unashamedly black" in a church welcomes anyone but those that are black. The interviewer is totally sympathetic to the guy because he comes from the same denomination and is eager to picture the guy as a good guy. I mean who wants to promote that their denomination embraces racists??? Soft spoken logic and truth mixed with a bite of racism is still racism.
- queotic, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1Of course you don't understand. You have no idea what it's like for your skin color, hair, music, culture, traditions, speech, EVERYTHING to be looked down upon as the epitome of all that is wrong with the world. Wright is a pastor who is trying to help black people regain their self respect. His explanation of "unashamedly black" was perfect - it means, "I am not ashamed to be black," which is how many black people in this country feel because of all the hatred they get coming their way. For example - for decades, black women were banned from the Miss America pagaent. Imagine what it was like for a little black girl to grow up and see "the most beautiful women in the country," and no black women are there? Year after year. Decade after decade. It does something to your psyche. Wright is one of those people that tried to install a sense of pride in being black. But see, that's the problem - when black people embrace their blackness, embrace their culture and music and traditions, they get accused of "black supremacy." Sorry, it doesn't work that way. "White supremacy" is when a white person hates anyone who isn't white. "Black supremacy" seems to be defined as "being proud to be black."
- queotic, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1I've been defending Wright from the get-go, so when I watched this interview on PBS, I thought WOW! Finally, a real journalist sits down to have a real interview and Reverend Wright showed how pious, patriotic, intelligent, insightful and caring he is. But after I saw the Press Club interview (I think), my jaw dropped. I could not believe that Wright would go up there and mock white people's voices, adding fuel to the already outrageous fire going on. I wholeheartedly agree with lambasting our government for its failures, but I just do not know what Wright thought he would accomplish by his statements. Jeremiah - you should have stopped at the Moyers interview.
- JimmySpaza, on 04/26/2008, -45/+21Bullcrap! Wright has shown himself to be a supremacist, racist, and anti-American bigot. He spews far more of his own opinion than does he proclaim the Bible.
- bluevillage, on 04/26/2008, -28/+64Bravo to Bill Moyers. I always thought his show would be the best place to deal with this in full. Rev. Wright is clearly a reasonable and compassionate man, and has done much more good in the world than his enemies in the media. I'm glad Moyers played the larger context of Wright's comments, especially on 9/11. I had seen that sermon before on Youtube, and cried when I heard it. I cried again seeing it this time, as he calls out the sins our government has committed.
- Bhima, on 04/26/2008, -14/+23Bill Moyers has been producing a steady stream of intellectually investigative interviewing and news reporting for decades.
- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -31/+9Moyers is a communist sympathizer.
- smithchr, on 04/26/2008, -5/+9And you're a republican operative. I don't know what tipped me off...
- qwerter, on 04/26/2008, -5/+11RepubOperative is a pedophile.
Ad Hominems are fun!
- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -31/+9Moyers is a communist sympathizer.
- JimmySpaza, on 04/26/2008, -24/+16"Rev. Wright is clearly a reasonable and compassionate man" expect when he is denigrating white people. Did you know that Wright said that Jesus was black? If anything, Jesus looked like a modern day Israeli.
- kraant, on 04/26/2008, -8/+19Uh, no...
If anything, Jesus looked like a modern day Palestinian.- flip2trip, on 04/26/2008, -16/+4Jesus, when he was on earth, was a Jew--so He looked like a Jew--Jimmy's right.
- petrodollar, on 04/26/2008, -1/+7This guy is Jewish: http://www.aaronfreeman.com/
- flip2trip, on 04/27/2008, -6/+2Is he 2,000 years old?
- boredrph, on 04/26/2008, -13/+0I believe that is spelled J-O-O
- toxicshok, on 04/26/2008, -2/+5actually a Palestine was a territory created by the British empire. He would look like a semitic person
- keltin, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3Wrongo, toxic. The term Palestinian was in use for over a 1,000 years. Britain and France just messed around with the borders, but the area's descriptor doesn't really change, at least in the vernacular.
- flip2trip, on 04/26/2008, -16/+4Jesus, when he was on earth, was a Jew--so He looked like a Jew--Jimmy's right.
- petrodollar, on 04/26/2008, -11/+4I almost care what jesus looked like.
- pgm_01, on 04/26/2008, -3/+11Actually Jesus would have been darker than the current inhabitants of the Middle East but not as dakr as those from Africa.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3958241.stm- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -10/+5"And Jesus probably did have some African links - after all the conventional theory is that he lived as a child in Egypt where, presumably, his appearance did not make him stand out."
The article is flawed and not by just a little but by a huge part. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus was born in or lived in Africa for any major part of time....that I know of. Jesus was born in Bethlehem and that is in Israel....not Africa. He was not black.- petrodollar, on 04/26/2008, -3/+4He was the son of God though. Can you prove that God isn't black?
- flip2trip, on 04/27/2008, -2/+4petrodollar---God is spirit and if he has a color it doesn't matter.
- kraant, on 04/27/2008, -1/+7"The article is flawed and not by just a little but by a huge part. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus was born in or lived in Africa for any major part of time....that I know of. Jesus was born in Bethlehem and that is in Israel....not Africa. He was not black."
Matthew 2:13-23
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthe ...
"13And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
14When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
..."
Geez... - Jlaugh, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1...
- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -10/+5"And Jesus probably did have some African links - after all the conventional theory is that he lived as a child in Egypt where, presumably, his appearance did not make him stand out."
- beakerwimp, on 04/27/2008, -3/+4JimmySpaza: How does saying that Jesus was black equate to denigrating white people? I'm a nerdy white guy and I don't feel "denigrated" when watching Wright's sermons in context. As a matter of fact, I get a similar feeling watching Wright's sermons to the feeling I get watching a good George Carlin bit. Human beings often feel angry when they are criticized. Important question: Why anger? Regardless of whether a criticism has merit, the reaction of the person being criticized says volumes about the person being criticized.
- JimmySpaza, on 04/27/2008, -3/+3"How does saying that Jesus was black equate to denigrating white people?"
It doesn't. Just pointing out a blatantly inaccurate statement given other peoples' belief that Wright tells the truth.
"I'm a nerdy white guy and I don't feel "denigrated" when watching Wright's sermons in context. As a matter of fact, I get a similar feeling watching Wright's sermons to the feeling I get watching a good George Carlin bit. Human beings often feel angry when they are criticized. Important question: Why anger? Regardless of whether a criticism has merit, the reaction of the person being criticized says volumes about the person being criticized."
True. So, why does Wright feel the need to go on talk shows and interviews? And why not go on ANY and ALL media outlets? Why just the sympathetic liberal ones like Moyers'? We can see Wright's character even more now that he's in damage control mode.- beakerwimp, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2JimmySpaza: I am trying to get to the bottom of your arguments. You seem to dislike Rev. Wright and you are posting comments about how he "denigrates white people" in a public forum. I questioned your statement. My comments are probing you to present a real argument against the man and to consider why you might have bad feelings toward him. I dislike Rev. Wright myself and I am eagerly awaiting some valid reasoning out of you, but I would hardly say that claiming Jesus was black makes someone a bad person. I would also hardly say that doing an interview with Bill Moyers makes someone a bad person. I doubt everything that George Carlin says is factually accurate, but when he touches a nerve it can affect people in a positive way. Wright seems pretty foolish and selfish to everyone at this point... Obama supporters, Clinton supporters, Republicans, etc... but then again most people (myself included) are foolish and selfish to some degree. How is Wright actually a bad person? Do you believe that in the man's heart he has bad intentions for the United States of America or do you really just agree with me, with most Obama supporters, and with most other people in this country that Wright is not the smartest bulb in the box but there are bigger issues to be talking about this election season?
- keltin, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1It doesn't matter where in hell a person lives, as far as what skin colour or other genetic makeup a person is. It's the parentage. Jesus' parents were Semitic, and Mary was known to be of a lighter than normal caste.
Why do black churches often depict Jesus as black? When you're a slave and you have a saviour, you want that saviour to be as much like you as possible. There's a psychological need to have that comfort you believe the object of worship knows you and your situation.
- JimmySpaza, on 04/27/2008, -3/+3"How does saying that Jesus was black equate to denigrating white people?"
- kraant, on 04/26/2008, -8/+19Uh, no...
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -15/+9Moyers could care less about Wright. Moyer's has one agenda only and that is to live off our tax money while he tries to trash America. Watch the O'Reilly Factor show on Monday night. Moyers will be skewered and thrown out with the trash.
- InnerRayg, on 04/27/2008, -2/+5So would anyone who tried to strike up an intelligent conversation.
Cut the mike baby, cut the mike.
- InnerRayg, on 04/27/2008, -2/+5So would anyone who tried to strike up an intelligent conversation.
- JettaMan, on 04/26/2008, -10/+4Why is it Socialists will criticize religious people until they become attached to one of theirs, like Obama, and then religious leaders are just okey-dokey?
- JimmySpaza, on 04/27/2008, -10/+4Because to them morality is relative to how they feel. Whatever feels good to them becomes proper and legitimate. Hypocrisy, thus, can be seen daily with the really left-leaning liberals.
- OoO3xOoO, on 04/27/2008, -2/+5You are just so smart. Tell me more about my morality
- BlackBob, on 04/27/2008, -2/+4JimmySpaza pointing out hypocrisy in others!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Now that's funny. Please, do tell us more.
- JettaMan, on 04/27/2008, -2/+2Very true Jimmy. They also *feel* only they are allowed to point out flaws with the opposition, but it is wrong to point out their own.
- cronian, on 04/27/2008, -1/+4Jesus was a communist, and that is too radical for most socialists.
- smotpoker, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3Obama is not a religious leader, he's religious and a leader.
If you want to understand the difference, check out this speech:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid35 ... / ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tdoQr3BQ1g )
- JimmySpaza, on 04/27/2008, -10/+4Because to them morality is relative to how they feel. Whatever feels good to them becomes proper and legitimate. Hypocrisy, thus, can be seen daily with the really left-leaning liberals.
- keltin, on 04/27/2008, -4/+3Bill Moyers is as biased a Liberal as I've seen for years. He makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing Paragon.
- Bhima, on 04/26/2008, -14/+23Bill Moyers has been producing a steady stream of intellectually investigative interviewing and news reporting for decades.
- imgstacke, on 04/26/2008, -8/+26Funny seeing Rev. Wright and Bill Moyers standing behind LBJ... Who knew they had the same boss...
- JointVenture, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3Well they are members of the same church, whats your point?
- KLBP, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1Um no, this had nothing to do with it. Bill Moyers was on LBJ's staff and Rev Wright was a Navy corpsman at Bethesda Naval Hospital and was part of the medical team that conducted surgery on President Johnson in 1966. So, Bill Moyers and Rev Wright appearing in that photo together was just an ironic coincidence. See: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped0404wri ...
- keltin, on 04/27/2008, -3/+1Left wing, ruthless and corrupt...that about says it, JV.
- JointVenture, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3Well they are members of the same church, whats your point?
- tonino30, on 04/26/2008, -24/+80Context, Context, Context. How many times will the American public let the MSM fool them? Wake the Hell Up!
- insomniac8400, on 04/26/2008, -4/+2I am sorry but there is no context in which religion is good.
- pgm_01, on 04/26/2008, -35/+32Rev. Wright is smart and told the truth and both of these things are hated by the fundamentalists trying to finish their takeover if the country. The truth is that the CIA has killed more people than the terrorists. The truth is we don't even know the truth about what are government has been doing. Our country raped children, actually raped children, as a way of obtaining information. Maybe we should be damned.
- JimmySpaza, on 04/26/2008, -19/+21Is there anyone other than pgm_01 who believes this nonsense?
- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -18/+17Don't forget you are on Digg....anything antiAmerican is possible.
- malex, on 04/26/2008, -9/+7Well, to be fair, Omar Khadr (15 year old Canadian citizen) was only repetitively *threated* with anal rape. So I suppose that's a comfort.
- pgm_01, on 04/26/2008, -8/+10Nonsense?
"Basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys/children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. The worst about all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror it's going to come out."
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/14864
The CIA Coup that started the mess in the Middle East
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/3/stephen_kinze ...
The CIA coup in Chile
http://www.democracynow.org/2003/9/11/sept_11_1973 ...
You can't hide from the facts, even if you don't like them.- pgm_01, on 04/26/2008, -6/+4If you can't trust afterdowningstreet, how about Boingboing
http://www.boingboing.net/2004/07/20/evidence-for- ...
- pgm_01, on 04/26/2008, -6/+4If you can't trust afterdowningstreet, how about Boingboing
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -9/+8The O-man is squirming right now. And it is going to get worse when this racist pastor speaks at the upcoming Reporters Dinner. Sweet!
- jcm267, on 04/26/2008, -11/+6The truth is that you need to move out of your mother's basement and get a ***** job, and stop blaming the Bush administration for your troubles.
- Observant1, on 04/26/2008, -5/+6would that be the job that doesnt exist because the administration handed out corporate welfare so manufacturers could leave the country? corporate welfare like that is economic treason commited by administration but oh, you said a ***** job, so maybe youre advocating prostitution? I dont think anyone wants sex with ya, so go ***** yourself (LMAO)
- keltin, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1I do have some major issues with the Bush administration, and I'm a lot further to the right than most other people I know. Lack of Border Control, Plan to Ruin the Economy and the Dollar to make the Amero acceptable to the people, his family's globalist agenda ties...that's more than good enough to call him a traitor and drive his approval numbers below 30, and that's not mentioning the war, a real distractor for what is most important.
- JimmySpaza, on 04/26/2008, -19/+21Is there anyone other than pgm_01 who believes this nonsense?
- chubbybubba, on 04/26/2008, -16/+44The video was very "eye opening" and gave an honest perspective of Rev. Wright. I can see where he's coming from. HOWEVER,
Barack was right about Wright. Clearly in Wright's Time, and in his experience his words are valid. The problem stems from Wrights perspective that things can not change and have not changed. You can't look at a white guy who's just trying to make a living and blame him for the injustices of his ancestors. You can't say to America, "You owe me for taking my great great grandfather as a slave." Times HAVE changed, but Rev. Wright has not.- Ethiope, on 04/26/2008, -12/+25Rev. Wright does not look at an average white guy trying to make a living and blame him for injustices of his ancestors. He's blaming the GOVERNMENT of the U.S., not the average U.S. citizen.
- dan.stryker, on 04/26/2008, -6/+13The US of KKKA????
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -6/+6Blames the government and not the average white guy? That's Bull *****. He blames the people who supported and voted for the government over the past 20 years. And who do you think that is? The average white guy.
- marabout40, on 04/26/2008, -1/+5By the average white guy, do you mean the demographic that the Clintons are so conveniently in love with, i.e., lower income, uneducated, rural working class white male? I didn't say it, the media's been flaunting in the the american people's face for the last couple months. This specific demographic have now become demigods in the eyes of the Clintons and the MSM. I wonder why? Truth be told, if I fell into that demographic, I'd be downright insulted.
- jbenson2, on 04/27/2008, -2/+5By average white guy, I mean anyone who voted for anyone who ended up in political office. If you voted for Nixon, Carter, Bush Sr, Clinton, or Bush W or any of the state positions, then you are just as guilty in the eyes of Wright.
- InnerRayg, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3One could argue a lot of the Government in our time has not been dutifully elected by the people. Nixon was manufacture by J. Edgar Hoover, Bush came into being just because of Reagan, and Reagan came into power because of the flashy times and his excellent ability to win over a crowd without substantial information and a promise of cutting down government (Which he did, much to our chagrin). I don't know the circumstances of Clinton, but I'm sure everyone could agree that W. Bush's election had some eye-brow raising portions to it. So I don't necessarily assume Wright accuses the people of these things anymore than I do when I denigrate the same government.
- marabout40, on 04/26/2008, -1/+5By the average white guy, do you mean the demographic that the Clintons are so conveniently in love with, i.e., lower income, uneducated, rural working class white male? I didn't say it, the media's been flaunting in the the american people's face for the last couple months. This specific demographic have now become demigods in the eyes of the Clintons and the MSM. I wonder why? Truth be told, if I fell into that demographic, I'd be downright insulted.
- keltin, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Ethiope, WE are the government, at least our money is what supplies the government. If you can't see that Wright's diatribes against the government is only a short step away from race-baiting and hate-speech against whites. Methinks you've never been to a black church? Or, if you have, you support the Black Church's Separatism movement?
- dan.stryker, on 04/26/2008, -6/+13The US of KKKA????
- Yatata, on 04/26/2008, -6/+8if it's rev wright being lynched in the media for comments rooted in sociology and factual history - and not the white pastors of the bible belt who's deplorable racist statements are being ignored and therefore validated, I would argue that things haven't really changed at all.
- pettdog78, on 04/26/2008, -9/+2The extreme "white" pastors in the bible belt are not affiliated with anyone who may become President. If they were they would be squirming under the magnifying glass just like "Reverend" Wright. The only white candidate who could have had any affiliation to a racist or bigotted group was Huckabee and he's all done.
As for Obama it's totally justified to question his relationship to Rev.Wright as the man is clearly a Black supremisist who condones racism.
- keishax, on 04/26/2008, -2/+8That is not true. Jerry Fallwell, Hagee and Parsley have all been associated with the Republican party. Hagee and McCain also have relationship in which McCain sought his endorsement. The issue still remains, If a white minister criticizes the government then he is being critical, the same cannot be said of African American ministers. Somehow any critique becomes separatist. Also if you watched the video, the you would see that your comment regarding him as a Black supremists is incorrect and you probably should stop watching Faux News.
- marabout40, on 04/27/2008, -1/+7Excuse me, you need to get your facts straight. Why don't you google Hagee and McCain and see what you come up with.
- keltin, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Ahhh, Ya Tata wears combat boots.
- pettdog78, on 04/26/2008, -9/+2The extreme "white" pastors in the bible belt are not affiliated with anyone who may become President. If they were they would be squirming under the magnifying glass just like "Reverend" Wright. The only white candidate who could have had any affiliation to a racist or bigotted group was Huckabee and he's all done.
- BrendanSheehan, on 04/26/2008, -2/+3I couldn't disagree much more chubby.
- Doomxeen, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Best post I've read so far...
- chubbybubba, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1@ BrendanSheehan... Dugg. While we disagree, I appreciate the fact you disagree without having to resort to any anger or meaness.
- Doomxeen, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Best post I've read so far...
- Ethiope, on 04/26/2008, -12/+25Rev. Wright does not look at an average white guy trying to make a living and blame him for injustices of his ancestors. He's blaming the GOVERNMENT of the U.S., not the average U.S. citizen.
- AntiMud2008, on 04/26/2008, -16/+37You must go beyond saying that Moyers has done a great job to protect and uphold journalistic integrity. You must share this video with everyone you know. You must hold the MSM accountable for their poor reporting and opinion journalism. All the major news outlets are beginning to spin like Faux News. Enough is enough. We can not stand for this any longer.
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -7/+2Stay tuned for the O'Reilly Factor show on Monday. Moyers will be skewered and thrown out with the trash.
- Vermifax, on 04/26/2008, -1/+1Pay me one million dollars. Then, I'll watch Bill O'Reilly.
- jbenson2, on 04/27/2008, -5/+2OK, you can stick with pansy-waist Bill Moyers who looks lovingly at pastor Wright.
- Vermifax, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Moyers served in the LBJ admistration.
O'Reilly is a sex pervert and a bigoted racist.
- Vermifax, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Moyers served in the LBJ admistration.
- InnerRayg, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Right, everyone knows real reporters are the ones who do the talking, they don't ask other people for their opinions like some of those so-called journalists. Bill's a really good reporter by those standards.
- jbenson2, on 04/27/2008, -5/+2OK, you can stick with pansy-waist Bill Moyers who looks lovingly at pastor Wright.
- Vermifax, on 04/26/2008, -1/+1Pay me one million dollars. Then, I'll watch Bill O'Reilly.
- JointVenture, on 04/26/2008, -2/+2Hey, psst, did you miss the part where BILL MOYERS said he was a member of the same church?
Do you know anything about Bill Moyers?
stfu.
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -7/+2Stay tuned for the O'Reilly Factor show on Monday. Moyers will be skewered and thrown out with the trash.
- parkerparrot, on 04/26/2008, -22/+36He's a brilliant, honorable man who was maligned for political gain. If in fact it was Hillary's campaign who unearthed this and started the avalanche, she is worse than I thought. How can you live with yourself after you do that to another person?
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -10/+5Brilliant and honorable?
Words mean something.
“Goddamn America!”
Just words?
“AmeriKKKa!”
Just words?
Barry’s chickens are coming home to roost. - KDX200rider, on 04/26/2008, -7/+5"He's a brilliant, honorable man"....you are being sarcastic right?
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -10/+5Brilliant and honorable?
- AntiMud2008, on 04/26/2008, -18/+61Wright is not Obama's problem. The distorted MSM is Obama's problem. Hold them accountable!!!!
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -9/+3Wright is definitely the O-man's problem, along with the Ayers problem, along with the Dohrn problem, along with Rezko problem.
- SaperKain, on 04/26/2008, -1/+3Benson, Benson, Benson. Why are you so bitter?
- jbenson2, on 04/27/2008, -5/+2I would not say bitter, but disappointed might be a better description. I thought the democrats would stand up for their beliefs, but no, they want to nominate a very bad man. The truth about the O-man is that he is not a good man.
Good men don't turn a blind eye to unrepentant ex-terrorists; support vile, anti-American bigots; lie about their core beliefs; and look down on traditional Americans. Most significantly, good men don't allow beautiful babies -- the least among us -- to be discarded like refuse and die miserable, lonely deaths in dark utility rooms. In fact, if we cannot call Obama a bad man, there is no such thing as a bad man.- Mejari, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Good thing Obama hasn't done any one of those things that you say would define him as a bad man.
Obama turns as much of a 'blind eye' as the American Government that you love so much that acquitted Ayers, I think it's pretty obvious that Wright is pretty anti-anti-American, considering if he didn't like us he'd probably gtfo, plus you know, the years of service as a member of this nation's military, defending us from our enemies, he doesn't look down on 'traditional Americans', whatever the hell that means, he simply understands and acknowledges their reality, something the current administration and Hillary and McCain have refused to do, and as for 'discarding' beautiful babies, I'd like one example where he's tossed a newborn into a hall closet.
- Mejari, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Good thing Obama hasn't done any one of those things that you say would define him as a bad man.
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -9/+3Wright is definitely the O-man's problem, along with the Ayers problem, along with the Dohrn problem, along with Rezko problem.
- stealth68, on 04/26/2008, -13/+24Folks we really should take 'reporters' to task... There were two different things going on here... Some reporters simply 'parroted' the views presented by other 'journalists' with nefarious objectives without first examining the story. the man or his message... They exhibited similar behavior when presenting the case for the war in Iraq. Other than the administration themselves the media helped define the case for the war and we need better from our free press... Or we will have even more damaging consequences...
- cctoronto05, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1You're talking about the same reporters who never took George W Bush to task for his lies, right?
- marabout40, on 04/26/2008, -15/+44Factor in his military duty: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped0404wri ...
This man has done more good for this country he supposedly hates than any of those snot-faced pundits and MSM newcasters.- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Which episode of what show were you watching when you saw snot on a pundits face ? Words can be taken as literal or figurative. Wrights comments were not tempered. He spoke them with hateful passion. Of couse, in the light of day - and the embarrassment of the media spotlight he tones down the rhetoric. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were both correct to denounce his bigoted comments. Yes - even Obama denounced them - leading the Rev Wright to say that Obama took the 'political' way out of the heat. (read easy)
- seanieb, on 04/26/2008, -16/+46The FCC should force the corporate media to broadcast this interview as penance for their crimes against journalism.
- Infidelcastr0, on 04/26/2008, -9/+8Best idea I've heard in a while.
- JimmySpaza, on 04/26/2008, -12/+8Yeah, we'll just carve out a portion of the 1st Amendment to make you racist Wright apologists feel better about yourselves.
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -10/+3Watch the O'Reilly Factor show on Monday night to get the real story on Moyers and Wright.
- Vermifax, on 04/26/2008, -1/+4O'Reilly Factor? Real story?
Dude, where's your "sarc" tag...!?- jbenson2, on 04/27/2008, -6/+2Not needed. The viewership for O'Reilly's show on Monday will make Moyer's audience look like chump change.
- Vermifax, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2A million people eating Hostess Twinkees doesn't make that snack healthy.
Besides, I already have the real story from Rev. Wright himself. "Loofah-Boy" from "Inside Edition" isn't going to add anything useful to this.
- Vermifax, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2A million people eating Hostess Twinkees doesn't make that snack healthy.
- JimmySpaza, on 04/27/2008, -5/+1Ratings don't lie, sweetums. O'Reilly's commercials get better ratings than Moyers' whinage.
- Mejari, on 04/27/2008, -1/+3Wait, so you're saying that whoever has the most people watching, or 'voting for' someone, they should 'win'? I agree! Lets go let Obama know he's won the nomination!
- Vermifax, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Ah, James.....ratings don't lie and since "Papa Bear" is falling behind Olbermann, I wouldn't be so quick to preach the false Gospel or Ratings.
Moyers served in the LBJ Administration.
Wright served in the USMC and the US Navy. Wright also administered health care to LBJ.
O'Reilly was the subject of a sexual harassment suit and was genuinely surprised that Black people were actually ...(*gasp*) civil in public restaurants.
I'm just saying...
- jbenson2, on 04/27/2008, -6/+2Not needed. The viewership for O'Reilly's show on Monday will make Moyer's audience look like chump change.
- Vermifax, on 04/26/2008, -1/+4O'Reilly Factor? Real story?
- cronian, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2I think the MSM need their licenses revoked. Next, TV licensing should be determined by a vote. Non-profit organizations, and corporations should be able to compete. To create diversity, the top 10 vote getters should each get a station, and new elections should be held frequently.
- citizenfury, on 04/26/2008, -16/+24Thank you Bill Moyers for introducing America to the man behind the soundbite. But who knew he would be so intelligent?
- JimmySpaza, on 04/26/2008, -17/+9Please. Anyone can be made to look intelligent if they choreograph and plan an "interview" with media consultants and marketing specialists. Don't be deceived.
- petrodollar, on 04/26/2008, -6/+8Why is it so hard for you to look intelligent though?
- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -13/+6Always have to go to personal attacks....have nothing to say then why don't you shut the ***** up liberal?
- petrodollar, on 04/26/2008, -4/+8Does it hurt?
- toxicshok, on 04/26/2008, -2/+8irony, complaining about personal attacks, through personal attacks.
- JimmySpaza, on 04/27/2008, -4/+1Ad hominem attacks are all the libs have at the end of the day. No surprise there.
- Mejari, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Personal attacks are the only ones that will get through the haze of Bush Administration ***** that you protect yourselves with.
- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -13/+6Always have to go to personal attacks....have nothing to say then why don't you shut the ***** up liberal?
- petrodollar, on 04/26/2008, -6/+8Why is it so hard for you to look intelligent though?
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -8/+3Anyone can be made to look intelligent if all Moyers does is throw his softball questions to Wright and look at the pastor with dewy eyes.
- SaperKain, on 04/26/2008, -2/+4Not even Fox News can make Bush look intelligent. Why are you so bitter Benson?
- jbenson2, on 04/27/2008, -4/+2Not bitter, just telling the truth.
- KDX200rider, on 04/26/2008, -4/+1You seem very naive. He went on a show where he knew no one would hit him with the tough questions. Not very difficult really.
- bluevillage, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2I wasn't surprised. Obama told us he was a Biblical scholar. He's widely respected and a much-requested speaker around the country.
- JimmySpaza, on 04/26/2008, -17/+9Please. Anyone can be made to look intelligent if they choreograph and plan an "interview" with media consultants and marketing specialists. Don't be deceived.
- dumpyhumpy, on 04/26/2008, -19/+69I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH REV WRIGHT NOW
- ziptnf, on 04/26/2008, -1/+3CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
- pintomp3, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3it's amazing what context can do.
- Barbarino, on 04/26/2008, -8/+5So you agree we invented HIV??? Wow.. Digg really does drink the cool aid.
- nancy971, on 04/26/2008, -17/+25Amazing. The truth prevails every time. The Rev. is thoughtful and intellectual yet down to earth. The MSM are vile for defaming him.
- flip2trip, on 04/26/2008, -6/+5So you just excuse him for saying whites created aids to commit genocide against the blacks? What about THAT truth?
- SaperKain, on 04/26/2008, -2/+2What about it? Nice cross you have there. I bet you want to burn it.
- flip2trip, on 04/26/2008, -4/+1You don't know me moron, but I'll excuse the comment.
- pintomp3, on 04/26/2008, -3/+4stop spreading lies. he didn't say "whites created it". he said governments lie:
“The government lied about the Tuskegee experiment. They purposely infected African American men with syphilis. Governments lie. The government lied about bombing Cambodia and Richard Nixon stood in front of the camera, ‘Let me make myself perfectly clear…’ Governments lie. The government lied about the drugs for arms Contra scheme orchestrated by Oliver North, and then the government pardoned all the perpetrators so they could get better jobs in the government. Governments lie. The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. Governments lie. The government lied about a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein and a connection between 9.11.01 and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Governments lie.”- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -4/+3AIDS reference....HE SAYS IT RIGHT HERE. The following does and it is approximately 40 seconds in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=617eK2XIaLk - flip2trip, on 04/26/2008, -5/+2"They purposely infected African American men with syphilis."
That's a lie right there--they didn't infect them--they conducted a study of black men ALREADY infected and the one of the main reasons the program was able to continue, even after penicillin was discovered to be an effective treatment, was the fact that the BLACK nurse who was with the program from the beginning never stepped up and said anything to stop it. I'm not condoning what they did but this was one of their own people, she should have been crying holy hell, but she didn't.- Mejari, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Because a black woman working for a largely white male group should definitely raise a ruckus if she wants to keep her job.
- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -4/+3AIDS reference....HE SAYS IT RIGHT HERE. The following does and it is approximately 40 seconds in:
- SaperKain, on 04/26/2008, -2/+2What about it? Nice cross you have there. I bet you want to burn it.
- flip2trip, on 04/26/2008, -6/+5So you just excuse him for saying whites created aids to commit genocide against the blacks? What about THAT truth?
- kinseyincanada, on 04/26/2008, -20/+83are you kidding me1 this entire time no one ***** interviewed this guy to get the other side of the story? my god America media sucks
- chaosium, on 04/26/2008, -8/+15Soundbites, man.
- masterm1nd, on 04/26/2008, -13/+11It's was wrights choice not to be interviewed until then, not the American media.
- BrendanSheehan, on 04/26/2008, -3/+6That's not entirely true, do your homework.
- pintomp3, on 04/26/2008, -3/+3source?
- masterm1nd, on 04/26/2008, -6/+4Are you guys stupid? It's not even logically possible for the biggest media cash cow at the moment (Wright) to not get an interview by the media despite Wright wanting an interview. Drrrrr, not to mention Wright would probably be the one who gets to decide to do an interview or not.
- Mejari, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1durrr. It probably took a while for someone who wright was comfortable enough with to trust that he wouldn't just be quoted in soundbites and could actually get his story out. You think Cap'n Truth O'Reilly would have let the Rev. speak more than 5 words before cutting his mike?
- mcool119, on 04/26/2008, -13/+24I'm so glad we have a candidate for president who is willing to talk to us like adults about race. Jeremiah Wright is a product of his times, just like everyone else, and he's a true patriot. Obama standing by him was the reason I first became interested in Obama. While the politically safe thing to do would have been to disown Wright's influence, Obama trusts that we have the maturity to understand Wright as a man, instead of hearing the MSM soundbytes and immediately branding Wright as a racist, and by doing that, Obama proved that he isn't just another political schill. And Wright is worth listening to in and of himself. He has so many more insightful things to say than all of those megachurch bigots.
- petrodollar, on 04/26/2008, -3/+11Obama's speech on race was also carefully crafted to avoid any phrases that could be chopped up into soundbites. He structured it so that the only way to listen to any of it required you to listen to a good size chunk of it. That's a good mark of intelligence and a damn good way to counteract the MSM's tendency to boil down this entire issue into 5 second soundbites.
I think Republicans are kind of freaking out now too because the Wright controversy doesn't seem to have hurt Obama all that much. Weeks after the story broke he still manged to cut Hillary's PA lead in half and nationally his approval ratings are still as high as ever.
On a side note, the latest Newsweek poll shows only 25% of Americans thinking Obama "looks down on them" and 65% think he doesn't. Looks like Republicans are going to have dig up a whole lot more than the "bitter" comment to make that meme stick- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -4/+3"I think Republicans are kind of freaking out now too because the Wright controversy doesn't seem to have hurt Obama all that much."
Wait until the Republicans are running directly against Obama....they will have the clear shot. Then the 527's will run day and night against Obama....and he will swim in it.- petrodollar, on 04/26/2008, -0/+6Why should it work any better when some shady 527 is running it instead of the 24 hour news networks though? If anything, the fact that it will be promoted by a group with an open agenda and not some talking head newsdude should detract from its credibility.
- Vermifax, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2Pastor Hagee = clear shot.
In BizarroWorld....
- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -4/+3"I think Republicans are kind of freaking out now too because the Wright controversy doesn't seem to have hurt Obama all that much."
- flip2trip, on 04/26/2008, -8/+4He did try to disown him and he threw his grandmother under the bus in the process.
- petrodollar, on 04/26/2008, -3/+1link?
- mcool119, on 04/26/2008, -2/+2He said he disagreed with what Wright said (although I wish he hadn't. I've heard more insightful things from Wright than McCain), but that he couldn't disown him. He gives us the respect of trusting us to understand Wright as a product of his times, as mature adults. But apparently Obama has overestimated America.
- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -4/+1Yep threw grandma under the bus and called her a 'typical white lady' ... harkening back to his white race-hating days (mentioned in his first book). Just disgusting.
Hey everyone- lets stop talking about ME and talk about race. And now for my next trick ...
- KDX200rider, on 04/26/2008, -4/+0Is Rev. Wright a "typical" black person?
- mcool119, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3Yeah, we should judge our candidates by their slight missteps in wording, ***** what they're actually trying to say.
He isn't an entirely exceptional member of "typical" black society, but how could you expect him to be? He's done the best he could have, for the society that he grew up in. Nobody can totally erase effects that their culture has had on them, and Wright grew up during segregated times. You can't expect that to have had no effect on him.- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -3/+1Nor would you vote him into the presidency. The problem is there are too many apologists for OBAMA's bigotry and felony drug use. If you stuck it up your nose - you cannot be my president. I can still like who youve become, what you've made of yourself. But your testimony, your authenticity, your trustworthiness went up your nose too - everytime you could afford it Mr. Obama. No. I didn't vote for you. I wont vote for you. But I do like how you've turned out. Put the lessons you've learned to better use than a selfish grab for the presidency of the land. Something you havenet earned - and gave up the right to pursue when you first hated your white brother.
- Mejari, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Wait, so "I can like you, but I can't vote for you because you were a real person and made some mistakes in your past, you weren't born in a suit and tie and have always sucked from the teat of political normalcy"
So do you believe that no one who has ever done drugs can ever do anything productive with their lives?
- Mejari, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Wait, so "I can like you, but I can't vote for you because you were a real person and made some mistakes in your past, you weren't born in a suit and tie and have always sucked from the teat of political normalcy"
- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -3/+1Nor would you vote him into the presidency. The problem is there are too many apologists for OBAMA's bigotry and felony drug use. If you stuck it up your nose - you cannot be my president. I can still like who youve become, what you've made of yourself. But your testimony, your authenticity, your trustworthiness went up your nose too - everytime you could afford it Mr. Obama. No. I didn't vote for you. I wont vote for you. But I do like how you've turned out. Put the lessons you've learned to better use than a selfish grab for the presidency of the land. Something you havenet earned - and gave up the right to pursue when you first hated your white brother.
- mcool119, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3Yeah, we should judge our candidates by their slight missteps in wording, ***** what they're actually trying to say.
- petrodollar, on 04/26/2008, -3/+11Obama's speech on race was also carefully crafted to avoid any phrases that could be chopped up into soundbites. He structured it so that the only way to listen to any of it required you to listen to a good size chunk of it. That's a good mark of intelligence and a damn good way to counteract the MSM's tendency to boil down this entire issue into 5 second soundbites.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 04/26/2008, -39/+22Bill Moyers is a hack, if this involved a conservative he'd be doing an investigative report in a heart beat to bolster the claims of racism/extremism.
- Infidelcastr0, on 04/26/2008, -13/+12That was the closest thing to honest journalism I've seen in a long time. It is you sir, who are a hack.
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -6/+5If you consider honest journalism to be softball questions from Moyers and his dewy eyed look at the Pastor.
- Mejari, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1Now you're against 'softball' questions? Where were you when Stephanopolis was asking about Obama's patriotism and his connection to a terrorist that includes 'was on the same charity board', which generally means that they sat in the same room maybe 3 times a year along with dozens of other people?
- dbs1221, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Loud and rude doesn't mean hard,
he asked more challenging questions than Hannity did in his interview.
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -6/+5If you consider honest journalism to be softball questions from Moyers and his dewy eyed look at the Pastor.
- JimmySpaza, on 04/26/2008, -11/+13Exactly. This was a disgusting planned media ploy using a known leftist doing the "interview". Obama's campaign is doing damage control. Nothing more.
- nycmac247, on 04/26/2008, -10/+6Bill Moyers is a hack
--- wow, arguing against someone trying to help you. Supposed you think the Pentagon Papers were faked, right?
Or do you not even know Bill Moyers' background?- NonLeftistDiggr, on 04/26/2008, -5/+13help me? I've heard the guy talk, if he had his way my paycheck would be given to the state who would then redistribute it equally amongst us all. No thanks, I didn't grind through college to do that.
- Stevanoski, on 04/26/2008, -6/+10Hack who, if not illegally then at least unethically, transferred millions of PBS funds to start his son's web site Moveon.org.
- Stevanoski, on 04/26/2008, -7/+13Bitter old man who like Jimmy Carter hates America because Americans did not fall to their knees in adoration of them.
- KDX200rider, on 04/26/2008, -1/+3I couldn't agree more. The drum beat would be far greater if this involved a conservative. Even the digg droids would have to admit that is true.
- azpat, on 04/26/2008, -4/+2*****. Robertson said basically the same damn thing, but in different words, in a past tense, and regarding 9-11 not Iraq. Nobody has called Robertson an anti-American.
Robertson: God lifted his protection from her. Her = America, God = God, Lifted his Protection = damn.
Damn: transitive verb1: to condemn to a punishment or fate; especially : to condemn to hell
When God "lifted his protection" he condemned America to a fate! He Damned America, according to Pat Robertson.
Wright said the same thing, except he was saying that if we continue to act in this way (waging Wars preemptively) God WILL damn America.
so there you have it: Robertson: God Damned America. Wright: God (will) Damn America.
Now who's beating the friggin drum?
- azpat, on 04/26/2008, -4/+2*****. Robertson said basically the same damn thing, but in different words, in a past tense, and regarding 9-11 not Iraq. Nobody has called Robertson an anti-American.
- Infidelcastr0, on 04/26/2008, -13/+12That was the closest thing to honest journalism I've seen in a long time. It is you sir, who are a hack.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 04/26/2008, -37/+26I got cutoff by digg..... but anyway, I'm white, so you all know I have to get back to improving our next version of HIV to release into the inner cities.
- nblsavage, on 04/26/2008, -18/+17Digg didn't cut you off, they're still experimenting with the douchebag filter.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -18/+17It's obviously not working if yours made it through.
- ironhide, on 04/26/2008, -8/+2 R
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -18/+17It's obviously not working if yours made it through.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 04/26/2008, -13/+9funny, I'm getting worse ratings than the guy who said that originally... what else is new on digg
- SaperKain, on 04/26/2008, -3/+6There goes another manufactured political distraction out the window. What you republican Nazis going to do next? I almost feel sorry for you. To have to defend retard in chief for 8 years and now pretend that you love John McCain must be hard to swallow.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -8/+3Do you ever say anything that Obama's campaign hasn't fed you?
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 04/26/2008, -5/+2What wright said, being considered offensive was manufactured??? WTF, seriously, WTF, Liberals don't give a ***** about racism or prejuidice unless political capital is at stake. What the guy said was FKed up, but you don't care, because it's obama we're talking about.
- Doomxeen, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1I don't necessarily like Wright. I don't care one bit about his religious interpretations and I think that his rehashing of the past is unnecessary and counter-productive. However, I don't see how you can find it so offensive. I mean there are some things that he has said that seem pretty radical, but he's a preacher for gods(lol) sake. He can talk about god breathing into dirt to give us life and you're saying his claiming that the government spread AIDS purposely is ludicrous? I mean, at least we know about pox blankets and can agree that it's at least something that's been done in the past. He's a preacher, nothing more, I just think it's unfortunate that we can't get a candidate that isn't part of a religious organization.
Also. He's a hell of a lot better than Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson ect.
Also Also. Do you think GW did meth off of Ted Haggard's wang?
- nblsavage, on 04/26/2008, -18/+17Digg didn't cut you off, they're still experimenting with the douchebag filter.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -38/+25Only in la-la liberal land is quoting someone a "crime against humanity". This guy is a hater and preaches hate.
- nblsavage, on 04/26/2008, -12/+18and you're any different? I could write a book with the vile filth you've posted on digg. Hypocrite.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -18/+15I'm not the pastor and close adviser of someone who's running for President. :/
- nblsavage, on 04/26/2008, -10/+13Doesn't matter. you're accusing someone of something you're guilty of. That makes you a hypocrite.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -13/+14I'm the pastor of a church and I get up there on Sundays and preach 'down with Whitey'?
- nblsavage, on 04/26/2008, -11/+11Don't split hairs with me douchebag. You know perfectly well what I'm talking about.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -13/+13wtf, i ain't no mind reader. If you can find a quote of me saying 'the Black man invented meth to genocide the white people', then you got a point. I talk in truth and facts. Wright, Obama's pastor and close spiritual advisor of 20 years, preaches racism and black nationalism.
- nblsavage, on 04/26/2008, -11/+11You accuse Wright of "hating". You seem to have plenty of that to spare.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -14/+10I disagree with you. I don't hate you. Hating people for disagreeing with them is primarily a liberal phenomenon. Oh, I get it. You were projecting your own hate for people who disagree with you (like I do) onto me. Sorry to disappoint.
- nblsavage, on 04/26/2008, -10/+11Really. So if I look at your digg history I won't see you calling anyone "fags" for disagreeing with you?
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -11/+10Why do you automatically equate homosexuality with hate? Do you hate homosexuals too?
- nblsavage, on 04/26/2008, -8/+10So i can assume you think you were complementing the people you responded to like this? -
"What are you guys, retards?
Germany does some accounting tricks to look good, you guys jizz your man-panties, meanwhile net global greenhouse gases increase. Thats the problem with you people. You don't actually want to solve anything, you just want to be able to feel good while doing it." - p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -10/+8Why do you insist that to disagree is to hate?
- nblsavage, on 04/26/2008, -6/+9You can disagree with people without epithets and insults. Unfortunately I am as guilty of that as you.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -11/+5Hypocrite!
- nblsavage, on 04/26/2008, -4/+8at least I can admit it.
- petrodollar, on 04/26/2008, -4/+8I can affirm that p0s3r has proudly announced his support for racists and white supremacists on this site. He even lied about living in Alabama in order to emphasize his undying support for Jeff Sessions, one of the most openly racist politicians in modern US history.
He has zero credibility on this issue. None whatsoever. Racists like him only want to portray black people as dangerous militants who want to make white people suffer. This is standard operating procedure for white supremacists like p0s3r. - p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -8/+6Bully for you.
- petrodollar, on 04/26/2008, -4/+10Note also p0s3r total inability to refute my claim. Most right wingers, if you accuse them of being racists, will claim that they're actually not. They'll offer up some kind of thin intellectual justification for their opposition to things like the voting rights act or civil rights.
p0s3r, on the hand, make no such excuses for himself. Point out his white supremacist beliefs and he raises his hand and says "yep, that's me!"
This message brought to you be petrodollar: revealing Digg's KKK sympathizers, one lonely, jobless redneck at a time. - p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -8/+4@petrodollar
If "Jeff Sessions 3...2...1... GO" can lead you to those conclusions, could you just imagine what you could conclude had I sat in Jeff's church for 20 years? Or if Jeff baptized my kids? What if Jeff inspired the title of one of my books? Or I donated over 50k in the last 2 years to his church? Holy crap, that would be SO damaging! Just think of what conclusions you could draw if I appointed Sessions onto one of my Presidential campaign committees? It would be damning! DAMNING! - petrodollar, on 04/26/2008, -3/+8It's obvious that you're just trying to shift the discussion away from your past statements, p0s3r. Nothing that Obama said or did changes the fact that you held up Jeff Sessions as a paragon of virtue.
Why'd you do that, p0s3r? There are 40+ other Republican senators you could have named, but you had to pick the guy who is probably the most vile, openly racist of the bunch.
Why?
And why such a self-effacing moniker? Normal people consider that label an insult. Why are you so ***** weird? - p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -7/+3How am i shifting when I quoted my past statement? Could you imagine your outrage had I sat and listen to Jeff preach for 20 years?
- petrodollar, on 04/26/2008, -2/+7I don't have to imagine anything. You're pointless hypotheticals are obviously intended to obscure the truth of the matter, which is that you dishonestly claimed that Jeff Sessions was your senator because you thought he was a swell guy.
If you want me to draw an analogy, that would be like Obama claiming that Wright was his pastor even though he never actually set foot in his church. That goes one step beyond guilt by association - in your case, it's guilt by FANTASIZED association.
If you merely went to hear Jeff Sessions preach for 20 years, it might be a stretch to say that you regard him as a model figure. You didn't just happen to live in the state he represents. No, you jumped six states over and singled him out as your favorite guy! You see p0s3r, it's the very fact that you claimed him as your own, even though he really isn't, that makes your statement so ***** damning. - p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -7/+3"Jeff Sessions 3..2..1.. GO!" It's damning! DAMNING!
Could you just imagine what you could conclude had I sat in Jeff's church for 20 years? Or if Jeff baptized my kids? What if Jeff inspired the title of one of my books? Or I donated over 50k in the last 2 years to his church? Could you imagine how damning it would be if I appointed Jeff Sessions to my White Outreach Presidential committee? - petrodollar, on 04/26/2008, -2/+7Yes, I can easily imagine all those things. Because I already have you on record pointing to Jeff Sessions as your ideal politician.
So yes, if Jeff Session were a pastor I can imagine you trucking all the way on over to Alabama to sit in his congregation. If you had a job I could imagine you donating money to his reelection campaign. If that job were political I could imagine you putting Jeff Sessions in a position to represent your views on race. If you could ever find a woman who was willing to have sex with you I could imagine you choosing Jeff Sessions to compound her embarassment by declaring her to be your wife.
I can imagine these things because you've already made abundantly clear your political loyalty to Jeff Sessions, a man who hurls racial insults at the blacks in his presence, a man who openly supports the KKK. - p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -5/+2You have me on record as pointing to Jeff Sessions as a politician that wouldn't be connected to Bill Ayers.
- petrodollar, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2The funny thing is, p0s3r, that I've given you more than ample opportunity to denounce Jeff Sessions. On dozens of occasions now I've pointed out the fact that you told a bold face lie, claiming that he was YOUR senator, that he represents YOU, and that you regard him as a paragon of virtue, in contrast to Obama, whom you excoriate for his association with Jeremiah Wright.
And yet not once have you stepped forward and denounced Sessions' views. You haven't made the faintest attempt to distinguish your views from his. You blow smoke, you obfuscate, you tap dance your gay little ass off trying to divert attention from the issue, but you have absolutely REFUSED to disclaim your loyalty to him.
Don't bother trying to wiggle out of this one now, p0s3r. I've nailed you, and nailed you good. You're finished.
- whiskerlickins, on 04/26/2008, -3/+6Why do you use "liberal" like it's a dirty word? You're a conservative, I'm a liberal and we have very different viewpoints on how this country should be run, but I don't think our "titles" make us terrible people. If we all agreed on everything, we'd live in a very boring world.
The personal attacks from both sides are getting tiring, but you guys are definitely not helping. Yes, maybe I'm living in a fantasy world that we can all get along but geez guys, it needs to start somewhere, so why not here?
- nblsavage, on 04/26/2008, -10/+13Doesn't matter. you're accusing someone of something you're guilty of. That makes you a hypocrite.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -18/+15I'm not the pastor and close adviser of someone who's running for President. :/
- Infidelcastr0, on 04/26/2008, -13/+12La La Liberal land? Dyou ***** republican idiots ever stop and listen to yourselves talk? Ooh look at me I am a principled conservative, I believe it's ok to murder, rob, oppress and exploit people to further my own ends. I believe in Jesus so I'll go to heaven and not have to face the consequences of what I've done. Why should we care or help anybody, the world isn't perfect, right? So why should we try to be? Let's go murder some more people and steal their oil. Anyone who doesn't like it is just a whiny spoiled brat with their head in the clouds. Damn Liberals we should shoot them all. Along with the darkies and the queers.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -13/+11Liberal Meme Checklist:
War for oil ... check!
Religious zealotry ... check!
All Republicans are religious ... check!
All Republicans are selfish ... check!
All Republicans are homophobes ... check!
All Republicans are racist ... check!
Good one, you managed to squeeze almost every retarded liberal meme into one post! Interestingly enough, you failed to explain how quoting someone's words is slandering that person.- Infidelcastr0, on 04/26/2008, -3/+6Creative editing to push a false negative image of somebody is slanderous enough to me. And as far as the "retarded liberal memes" Let's see... what is this war about again? When you go into a store, point a gun at the clerk and demand cash from his register that is stealing, if you shoot him when he resists that is murder. Iraq/Iran have oil, we want oil so we send in the troops. what am I missing here? Think about it. Zealotry? Using religion to justify murder and oppression is worse than mere zealotry, it goes against the fundamental message of Christianity. And as for the rest of it. For goodness sake. If you vote for and legislate greed, racism, and homophobia, that makes you a greedy racist homophobe. These are the principles the republican party pushes, sorry but they are, and if you vote for a republican you support these things. Old school conservatism died along time ago. Turn off the propaganda channel and wake up.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -7/+6Please point out which are the laws that legislate greed, racism (other than Affirmative Action), and fear of homosexuals?
If we went into Iraq for oil, why didn't we just attack Norway? They got more oil and probably would've easier to conquer.
Please point out who's using religion (other than the moslems) to justify murder and oppression? - Infidelcastr0, on 04/26/2008, -2/+5Greed?
Corporate Deregulation. The military-industrial complex that EISENHOWER (republican) Warned us about, and privatization of the military, health care, education etc.
Racism?
Same reason we're attacking Iraq and not Norway. To get rid of those pesky Muslims. And let's not not forget immigration laws, drug laws etc. I personally don't support affirmative action that costs anyone a job or education they deserve, just equality. But the fact is white people have more opportunities regardless. And an over privatized education system leads to this.
Homophobia?
Ever heard the term "sanctity of marriage"? What If you weren't allowed to marry the person you love?
Norway would be much harder to attack. That is a line western Europe would not allow us to cross.
And if you wanna know who's using religion to justify murder and oppression? They're called the Evangelical christian base who want to get rid of Islam and force their beliefs upon the American people. - p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -5/+3Please point out the laws you were referring to. Not your hyperbolic talking points.
- Infidelcastr0, on 04/26/2008, -2/+5I'm referring more to political positions than laws, such as calls to ban gay marriage, creationism being taught in science classes, anti-immigrant sentiment etc. Some of these positions haven't become law but are constantly pushed by the republican party. Then there is government policy. I shouldn't have to explain the inherent conflict of interest that is the Bush administration's foreign policy and contracting. As far as actual laws I already mentioned Drug laws (there is no need for me to be more specific here, the war on drugs is by nature racist and oppressive.) I don't feel like spending all day hunting down bill number's etc. Do some research for yourself.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -5/+3"If you vote for and legislate greed, racism, and homophobia, that makes you a greedy racist homophobe."
"I'm referring more to political positions than laws,"
*****. All you got is ***** propaganda. I ain't going to research your ***** for you. - Infidelcastr0, on 04/26/2008, -2/+4K, whatever have fun under your bridge.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -5/+2Grow up and make up your own mind. You're getting played by your mind masters like a 2-bit hooker. Unbelievable that you would so passionately accept that kind of bigotted propaganda without the slightest critical thought.
- nblsavage, on 04/26/2008, -1/+4"mind masters"? You sound like a ***** troofer l0s3r.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -7/+6Please point out which are the laws that legislate greed, racism (other than Affirmative Action), and fear of homosexuals?
- wacomwacoff, on 04/26/2008, -2/+5Quoting someone's words out of context to change their essential meaning is slander under any definition.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -4/+2Must not be under the legal definition because he would've filed a civil case against them, right?
- Infidelcastr0, on 04/26/2008, -3/+6Creative editing to push a false negative image of somebody is slanderous enough to me. And as far as the "retarded liberal memes" Let's see... what is this war about again? When you go into a store, point a gun at the clerk and demand cash from his register that is stealing, if you shoot him when he resists that is murder. Iraq/Iran have oil, we want oil so we send in the troops. what am I missing here? Think about it. Zealotry? Using religion to justify murder and oppression is worse than mere zealotry, it goes against the fundamental message of Christianity. And as for the rest of it. For goodness sake. If you vote for and legislate greed, racism, and homophobia, that makes you a greedy racist homophobe. These are the principles the republican party pushes, sorry but they are, and if you vote for a republican you support these things. Old school conservatism died along time ago. Turn off the propaganda channel and wake up.
- SuperFarStucker, on 04/26/2008, -2/+7Clearly you don't understand the nature of trolling. It's highly unlikely that someone who takes these sort of views would make use of a 'news' aggregator like this. Rather, someone who engages in trolling aims to disrupt for their own enjoyment. It's fun to hyperbolically engage in 'taking the other position' when you are able to hide behind the pseudononymity the internet provides.
It's essentially a sport and 'feeding the trolls' implies you don't get it. Of course some people misunderstand the whole ordeal and their minds have warped to such a degree they're capable of fomenting only spittle. They shouldn't be treated any differently.
Detecting trolls and their sock puppets, a complementary sport, call it 'spotting the fisherman' if you'd like, is quite fun. On sites like digg they're quite overrepresented and mostly obvious. A more respectable place gives elbow room which allows for subtlety in their endeavors.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -13/+11Liberal Meme Checklist:
- jayfarer, on 04/26/2008, -2/+9It's funny cause "America's chickens have come home to roost" was Jeremiah Wright quoting an ambassador.
- queotic, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1That's right. Edward Peck, the US Ambassador to Iraq.
- wacomwacoff, on 04/26/2008, -1/+5Did you watch the video? No, of course not. You're too closed minded.
- nblsavage, on 04/26/2008, -12/+18and you're any different? I could write a book with the vile filth you've posted on digg. Hypocrite.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -30/+17"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."
This is what Wright preaches. This is what Obama believes. White America is their enemy.- dan.stryker, on 04/26/2008, -15/+12Liberals just want to put their blinders on and stick their heads in the sand with what this guy preaches so that it doesn't hurt obama's little chance of winning the nomination... The "bitter, gun-toting" bible thumpers will vote this guy down in Nov...
- nycmac247, on 04/26/2008, -7/+2LOL if you were born black you would be him
- JimmySpaza, on 04/26/2008, -9/+9How dare you post actual text of Wright's speech here? Don't you know that the leftist Obama apologists are working hard to suppress Obama's racist associations? They need all the help that they can get.
- malex, on 04/26/2008, -3/+8Translation: "I already know everything that's possibly worth knowing from youtube clips, so listening to the man speak directly would only confuse and enrage me."
- oldhick, on 04/26/2008, -3/+2Thats all you've got? I watched the whole video, big deal.
- sublingo, on 04/26/2008, -2/+3How do you know what Barack Obama believes? I've read/heard both of his books, read much of his other writings, followed his story since before the 2004 DNC speech, and somehow your determination has escaped me.
You are of a certain emotional opinion and nothing will dissuage you. Not even a lack of facts.
- dan.stryker, on 04/26/2008, -15/+12Liberals just want to put their blinders on and stick their heads in the sand with what this guy preaches so that it doesn't hurt obama's little chance of winning the nomination... The "bitter, gun-toting" bible thumpers will vote this guy down in Nov...
- DaDrake, on 04/26/2008, -23/+16I watch the interview and it seemed like he dodged a lot of the questions.... overall, nothing really significant.
What is significant is Colan Powell attended one of his service and left it because he was offended... and this was 7 years ago. Jeremiah Wright may love Africa and be a product of his time.... but he is also is a racist and pushes stereotypes that have no basis in facts. Obama should have distant himself away from him a long time ago.- seanieb, on 04/26/2008, -4/+4You may think he's dodging the question, but maybe its just that you aren't an intellectual power house and just don't understand the answer?
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -5/+3Not only did he dodge them, but Moyers threw them as softballs and then waited with baited breath for the response.
- JointVenture, on 04/26/2008, -1/+2You forgot to mention Oprah left the church.
- DVmaker, on 04/26/2008, -11/+21Finally a fair and balanced piece of news.
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -6/+1Catch the real Fair and Balanced reporting on the O'Reilly Factor show tomorrow night covering this farce of an interview of Wright by Moyers.
- SaperKain, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3O'Reilly Factor? Nobody is watching this propaganda any more. Why are you so bitter Benson?
- jbenson2, on 04/27/2008, -4/+1How would you like to put a little wager down on the audience number comparison between O'Reilly vs Moyers?
Crickets chripping .......
Yeah, I thought so.- pushmouse, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1The majority of the people are kinda dumb?
- InnerRayg, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2Well the question is, do we count the over-70 crowd or not? If it's no, then you just lost that contest.
- jbenson2, on 04/27/2008, -4/+1How would you like to put a little wager down on the audience number comparison between O'Reilly vs Moyers?
- sublingo, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3jbenson2, is that a joke, or are you actually suggesting O'Reilly is fair and balanced? Please tell me it's just a gag. I want to have faith in humanity. I really do.
- SaperKain, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3O'Reilly Factor? Nobody is watching this propaganda any more. Why are you so bitter Benson?
- SaperKain, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2I think Bill Moyers gives too much credit to republican party and right-wingers in general. For truly Fair and Balanced reporting watch Countdown with Keith Olbermann.
- sublingo, on 04/26/2008, -1/+0Look, I enjoy the wittiness and commentary of Keith Olb. as much as many, but the guy is slanted, hard-core. It's opinion news, not news.
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -6/+1Catch the real Fair and Balanced reporting on the O'Reilly Factor show tomorrow night covering this farce of an interview of Wright by Moyers.
- Zlorp, on 04/26/2008, -10/+25so whens someone going to start railing mccain for HIS pastor, who is about 1000000000000 times more evil and brainwashed than Rev Wright? they saving that for the big race?
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -14/+9Because Hagee is not McCain's pastor?
- pintomp3, on 04/26/2008, -2/+4you are correct. rod parsely is his spiritual advisor:
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/200 ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tViqufbk7I8- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -3/+3Lets just say for the hell of it that the Bible is the oldest document we have on marriage. I don't know of anything older. So if "God" declared that marriage was between a man and a woman, how is the pastor wrong. Looks like he is right.
Note. I will not be back to get an answer from you....I'm going of to do something else.... I want you to know that I am not a Christian. I am an atheist. I also believe that marriage should be solely between a man and a woman. We/You should be calling a lesbian or homosexual affair something else.....NOT marriage.- wacomwacoff, on 04/26/2008, -1/+5Pastor Parsley might believe he is right because he believes in a certain belief system. That doesn't make it right for all of humanity, no matter how loudly he says it.
As a homosexual man, however, I believe that the government and the Church should be separate on this issue. If the gov't wants to call two gay men cohabitating who share bank accounts, kids, a mortgage etc. a "civil union", OK, that's fine. If those men's church wants to call it "marriage", that's up to their pastor. I'm not going to niggle about semantics -- it's action that's important, not being stuck with 2000 year old laws. - pintomp3, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2you start of with a premise based on ignorance. the bible is not the oldest document on marriage. there are many older religions with scriptures on marriage. if you want to start dictating your life based on scripture written during the bronze age, that's up to you. don't impose it on everyone else.
- wacomwacoff, on 04/26/2008, -1/+5Pastor Parsley might believe he is right because he believes in a certain belief system. That doesn't make it right for all of humanity, no matter how loudly he says it.
- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -3/+3Lets just say for the hell of it that the Bible is the oldest document we have on marriage. I don't know of anything older. So if "God" declared that marriage was between a man and a woman, how is the pastor wrong. Looks like he is right.
- pintomp3, on 04/26/2008, -2/+4you are correct. rod parsely is his spiritual advisor:
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -5/+1Zlorp - Probably because you fell for the left-wing tripe. You have no idea who McCain's pastor is.
- wacomwacoff, on 04/26/2008, -1/+6True, Hagee isn't his pastor. But since he endorsed McCain, and McCain has said he supports the man's views, we have to assume McCain agrees with his wacked-out ideas...
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -5/+1But of course, how dare we, even remotely apply the same standard to Obamessiah (pbuh)
- wacomwacoff, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Because Obama has clearly stated that he disagrees with Wright and has distanced himself from the man, while McCain has openly embraced both Hagee and Parsley as spiritual advisors.
ps, thanks for the chuckle on the (pbuh), very clever :) - Mejari, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Difference:Obama rejects and denounces Wright's hateful comments, while McCain embraces and accepts Hagee's.
- wacomwacoff, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Because Obama has clearly stated that he disagrees with Wright and has distanced himself from the man, while McCain has openly embraced both Hagee and Parsley as spiritual advisors.
- InnerRayg, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1Well, we still can, the problem I think you're hitting is that some of us agree with him anyway. I can dig the fact that American intervention in the Middle East brought retaliation more than I can white supremecy.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -5/+1But of course, how dare we, even remotely apply the same standard to Obamessiah (pbuh)
- pintomp3, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2mccain's spiritual adviser is rod parsley:
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/200 ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tViqufbk7I8
- wacomwacoff, on 04/26/2008, -1/+6True, Hagee isn't his pastor. But since he endorsed McCain, and McCain has said he supports the man's views, we have to assume McCain agrees with his wacked-out ideas...
- Risingashes, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3Never. The media doesn't go after white Christian pastors. Only blacks or unestablished sects.
- p0s3r, on 04/26/2008, -14/+9Because Hagee is not McCain's pastor?
- bsbdeb, on 04/26/2008, -20/+14That was a little like watching an owner pet his favorite dog after it bit someone. Ohhhh poor poochy bit that bad wittle Amwerica. It's okay poochey. It's okay. We undewstand don't we? Yes we do. You're not a bad poochey at awl. We wove you. Yes we do.
- noahsawyer, on 04/26/2008, -7/+2What We Well?
- mcool119, on 04/26/2008, -2/+6I didn't think the interview was apologetic at all. I don't know anything about Moyers' political views, but I do know that he knows how to ask questions and then shut up and let Wright answer them. Just because he doesn't cut Wright off, tell him to shut up, or insult him, like O'Reilly, doesn't mean he's being apologetic.
- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -5/+4Moyers is a communist sympathizer.
- Mejari, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4Days of the Cold War are over, you can come out of your bomb shelter now. Actually, you know what, why don't you stay in there and turn off your internet connection. After all, it's the work of the devil, amiright?
- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -1/+1I saw it as extraordinarily apologetic - and then your follow-up confirms. Just OWN UP to what you say. Whatever happened to personal responsibility !
- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -5/+4Moyers is a communist sympathizer.
- mcool119, on 04/26/2008, -2/+6I didn't think the interview was apologetic at all. I don't know anything about Moyers' political views, but I do know that he knows how to ask questions and then shut up and let Wright answer them. Just because he doesn't cut Wright off, tell him to shut up, or insult him, like O'Reilly, doesn't mean he's being apologetic.
- noahsawyer, on 04/26/2008, -7/+2What We Well?
- whatthefu, on 04/26/2008, -10/+19Bill Moyers is awesome: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Moyers#Regarding ...
- KDX200rider, on 04/26/2008, -6/+0Moyer is a liberal goon.
- mrhaines, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1 w
- cmzenise, on 04/26/2008, -7/+26Don't just rail against MSM on the message boards. Donate to your local PBS station.
- Oheson, on 04/26/2008, -9/+18Good to see a real interview and not the yelling shows (Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh). This should not have even been a story. The right wing Lunatic Fringe is taking over this country.
- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -12/+7Even Harvard says the Liberal media has taken over....wake up dumb *****!
Media Bias Is Real, Finds UCLA Political Scientist
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is ...
The Liberal Media: It's No Myth
http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/barro/fil ...- InnerRayg, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3Sure it's biased when you leave the Wall Street Journal and every Talk Radio station out there off the list of things you study.
But we all know facts have a well known liberal bias anyway :P
- InnerRayg, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3Sure it's biased when you leave the Wall Street Journal and every Talk Radio station out there off the list of things you study.
- Bhima, on 04/26/2008, -1/+4Judging from the comments the right wing Lunatic Fringe is taking over this thread.
- KDX200rider, on 04/26/2008, -4/+0Sorry friend, the leftist digg droids still rule the day here. Though there is hope....
- Mejari, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2So you're fine with crazy radicals ruling the land as long as they agree with you?
- KDX200rider, on 04/26/2008, -4/+0Sorry friend, the leftist digg droids still rule the day here. Though there is hope....
- RepubOperative, on 04/26/2008, -12/+7Even Harvard says the Liberal media has taken over....wake up dumb *****!
- DavidinBoston, on 04/26/2008, -5/+11And ALL the MSM got out of it was that Wright referred to Obama as a "politician." Is anyone at all surprised that this was all that the MSM spoon-fed the masses who watch their cable shows?
- runCMD, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1There were plenty 'bites that can be capture to frame the spirit of the light hearted conversation that took place. I look forward to seeing how much data mining comes out of the interview.
- soot, on 04/26/2008, -8/+33Jeremiah Wright is a former United States Marine and a pastor of many years. He serves his country with honor and distinction, and has done plenty of good for his community and members of his congregation.
To JamesSpaza and everyone else calling him a racist and a bigot, I would bet money any one of you has used the word "*****" or made some derogatory or inflammatory remarks in your lifetimes that are no less on par with what he said in those films. He is a product of his time just like every one of us is, and his perspectives on race and culture as an African American male coming of age in this country during the middle of the twentieth century are probably a lot different than yours.
Secondly, your comments aren't worth their salt, because I know your political agendas slant whatever you come here to say about him or Barack Obama regardless.- timewarp424, on 04/26/2008, -7/+2And how do your biases towards Barack Obama make your comment anymore legit than those that have biases against?
- flip2trip, on 04/26/2008, -11/+2Let me explain something to you--this man is the pastor of a "Christian" Church who supposedly believes in the teaching of Jesus Christ, and yet uses his pulpit to spew this vomit out to his congregation---The government created aids to cause the genocide of blacks, The government gives drugs to black people then arrests them and throws them in jail. Now he's referring to whites in these comments which De facto makes him a racist. In addition, he has rewrote the Bible and says that Jesus was a black man. Huh? Jesus was from the line of David and was born of a Jew. That makes him Jewish, not African.
- Mejari, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2He's the racist because you automatically correlate 'government' with 'white men'?
- jbenson2, on 04/26/2008, -9/+2Soot says: I would bet money any one of you has used the word "*****" or made some derogatory or inflammatory remarks in your lifetimes.
You are 100% certifiable if you think the typical American has said any of these racist comments while preaching in church and been videotaped countless times saying it.- wacomwacoff, on 04/26/2008, -1/+5Except that he didn't make any racist comments, so I'm not sure what you're referring to.
- jbenson2, on 04/27/2008, -4/+1I guess you forgot to put batteries into your hearing aid this month.
“Goddamn America!”
Just words?
"Government sponsored HIV for blacks"
Just words?
“AmeriKKKa!”
Just words?
Barry’s chickens are coming home to roost.- Mejari, on 04/27/2008, -0/+2None of those are racists, FYI. Simply because you accuse others of racism doesn't make you a racist.
- jbenson2, on 04/27/2008, -4/+1I guess you forgot to put batteries into your hearing aid this month.
- wacomwacoff, on 04/26/2008, -1/+5Except that he didn't make any racist comments, so I'm not sure what you're referring to.