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- buickparkave, on 11/05/2007, -52/+194I say ***** the mainstream media because Ron Paul is no where to be seen in any news report even though he is #1 on Digg. ***** the mainstream media paid off lame pricks.
- borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -21/+153the thing that pisses me off the most is that NO media news is saying anything about ABCs major *****. It's just this courttv website, regedit, and of course, digg.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=ron+paul+poll&btnG=Search - rhinocero, on 10/12/2007, -41/+271That's because Digg is not an accurate measure of public opinion or political power!
Seriously, look at the numbers. A large story on digg will get 1000 diggs. The largest story during the key thing got like 20,000. That's only a drop in the bucket in the American electoral system, especially spread across the country.
The mainstream media reports on things of interest to the public at large. Digg is not the public at large. - thecoolestguy, on 10/12/2007, -41/+93I agree that Digg only represents a small percentage of the population at large, but it is a representative sample that reflects people's sentiments. I think people are finally catching on that there is a CONSPIRACY to control the public through big media. These f.uckers need to be hit again and again with these kinds of stories until they're exposed for the shills that they are.
- acex23, on 10/12/2007, -6/+144I'm missing the part where abc admitted they were wrong. anyone have a better link?
- DildoOreilly, on 10/12/2007, -25/+78The Ron Paul media blackout is just another fine example of who the real terrorists are. Its time to boycott the corporations than want to dictate what is "news" worthy and what is not. The corporations own these "news" networks and their affiliates.
American democracy has been hi-jacked by the unbridled corporations. People who only rely on American television for their news coverage are the same people most likely to eat their own feces.
Its gotten pretty pathetic when a society of otherwise intelligent people have to rely on comedians to get any kind of facts these days. - abanana, on 10/12/2007, -5/+41There is a really good documentary on how major networks manipulate interviews and debates, etc, to create the "news". This guy watched a bunch of live satellite feed during the 92 election and compiled a nice amount of footage on how the media systematically discriminated against certain candidates to keep them out of the spotlight. I wish i could think of the name of the doc but it reminds me a lot of what is happening to Ron Paul.
- coolian, on 10/12/2007, -27/+7@buickparkave
Relax. Take a deep breath. Want a cookie? - emjaymj, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=3133938&page=1
Please go to the page and leave a vote for Ron Paul or whoever your favorite candidate may be. - Flashman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22@abanana, you're thinking of the documentary "Spin" by Brian Singer. Watch it here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7344181953466797353
It's worth watching, if for no other reason than to get a look at the surreal backlot operations surrounding the media and politicians. And how a lack of media coverage can effectively kill a campaign. - ckSubs, on 10/12/2007, -14/+58""I agree that Digg only represents a small percentage of the population at large, but it is a representative sample that reflects people's sentiments.""
Sorry, but no it's not. It's a representative sample of computer nerds and 20-somethings. Neither win elections.- logandurand, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I would much sooner entrust the future of our country to computer nerds than to the general public.
- JoshuaH, on 10/12/2007, -40/+9But I still don't see Mike Gravel on this list.
- ckSubs, on 10/12/2007, -8/+106""But I still don't see Mike Gravel on this list.""
He's a Democrat you retard. - goodoldharris, on 10/12/2007, -5/+49"but after a flood of complaints, they were forced admit that they lied and include him in the poll"
And then a link to a discussion board asking people to go to ABC and complain? Where did ABC admit they lied? Amazing how many people are willing to dig up a completely false description that links to more or less nothing. Buried as inaccurate. - SuperMoses, on 10/12/2007, -19/+13C'mon, this isn't a major ***** up. The poll isn't scientific by any means. I just voted for Ron Paul and I'm not an American citizen.
- inrain, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17Yahoo is screwing the public too. All of the major "news" outlets are (Yahoo, MSNBC, ABC News, CBS News, etc.). These outlets put America to shame. No actual candidate should be silenced, especially in something as serious as a presidential race. It's a disgrace to everything we supposedly "fight for" as a country.
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Please Digg to Stop Yahoo:
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NOTE: This was originally posted just for Mike Gravel but please apply it to all who might be missing (Ron Paul, etc.)
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Yahoo_Where_s_Mike_Gravel - h4x0r1ng, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3Could ABC be any more anit-republican? Is that a picture of the devil? oh, no wait, that's Reagan.
- rickytan, on 10/12/2007, -18/+11It's funny hearing people push this "ABC is anti-republican" garbage when months ago they were the best friend of the religious right.
this stupid, insignificant poll where they left out a name and later added it...seriously who gives a *****. we'll see who takes sides in 2008 and by then I'll hopefully still not give a crap. - robdazomba, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34> I agree that Digg only represents a small percentage of the population at large,
> but it is a representative sample that reflects people's sentiments.
Never done any polling or statistics work, I take it? Digg is almost entirely a self-selecting group. Talk to anyone who works in polling or deals with stats. They'll tell that you that that is one of the worst pools to survey as you get wildly skewed viewpoints that utterly do not reflect widespread opinion.
Honestly, do you think Digg's enormous interest in the AACS key is representative of widespread opinion? I have yet to meet anyone in real life who even knows about it. - doctorfungi, on 10/12/2007, -10/+16Digg wouldn't be a good sample at all.
a) I'd estimate that a vast majority (80%ish) of users here can't even vote in a US election. Due to being under age or not a US citizen.
b) Don't forget that elderly people who don't necessarily use the internet vote as well. Most of the time, these people are also conservative. - ElbridgeGerry, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Regedit?
Don't you mean "Reddit"? - bsmang, on 10/12/2007, -14/+5Ron Paul is number 1 on digg? I know I see people ignorantly posting campaign ads for him fairly often, but I don't know if it means that he's #1 on digg.. He's not number one with me anyway - I don't want my kids to be taught religion in school - at least not as if it were remotely related to truth or something.
- chijim70, on 10/12/2007, -11/+7OK, so I read Digg daily but hadn't actually gone to read up on Ron yet (I'm a Joe Biden Fan, who is also running yet getting utterly ignored by everyone but people like Bill Maher, Daily Show, and Olberman). Also I don't watch TV anymore... I mean we can see any show we want including movies almost instantly without commercials... why would I watch TV? To get lied to, misinformed, and told what I should consume? We have high speed connections and computers now... kill your TV. I have a flatscreen and actually use it to watch stuff off my computer... I HAVE basic cable (comes with cable internet) and the cable isn't even connected to my TV lol.
So I read up to understand the recent hubbub on this guy. He seems like a pretty good cat although I'd disagree on a couple things with him where I think Biden is more in line with me. One is that you can't just jump out of Iraq at this point (you can do it damn soon but not just GO like Ron says), and 2 Ron is a pro lifer (not surprising being a guy who delivered 4k babies!) but also something I don't entirely agree with. Otherwise the guy seems pretty cool. I like Obama too but he is so much fluff when speaking that I don't actually know what he stands for or exactly what he would do about Iraq, economy, or constitution so I'm still watching him (need to read more about him). Biden has an easy to explain solution for Iraq that also entails actually going and humbly meeting with neighboring states and getting them on board which we all know this white house administration simply won't do. He advocates the idea of slicing it up in 3 parts but also making certain all 3 parts get their fair cut of the oil revenues etc. This makes fregin sense and comes from a guy who heads the foreign relations committee but of course until recently was utterly ignored. I also like him because he was one of the guys in the investigation committee for why we went to war and I caught him on c-span actually making otherwise ice cool Condoleezza Rice stutter and switch uncomfortably in her seat under his questioning... definitely made me laugh and root for my guy.
Now where I am kind of hung though is this. Ron Paul is gun ho about something I try to tell everyone I can about, and that is that the federal reserve is NOT federal, it is a private banking corporation and it is unconstitutional. It is one reason amongst others that federal income tax is a racket and illegal. Second, he seems to get that our rights are all but gone and wants to fix that stuff which is A OK by me. If I could know he wasn't going to go tramping on women's rights and hear a more reasonable form of withdrawal from Iraq... then he'd have my vote.
It's going to take some more research on my part I suppose to make a decision in the end, but at least digg turned me onto an equally intriguing choice. - asdfasdf, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6"I agree that Digg only represents a small percentage of the population at large, but it is a representative sample that reflects people's sentiments. I think people are finally catching on that there is a CONSPIRACY to control the public through big media."
This would be nice but I doubt it's the case. The way I see it, most people who read digg religiously and engage in the debates, or who actively seek out political news, are open minded to begin with, and already think critically. The people who have their mind set a certain way aren't going to change. Go out into the real world and you'll realize a few things:
It's 2007, and many many people believe in God. Most people will not even know what the word 'athiest' means, nor would have ever heard about Richard Dawkins.
It's hard to meet somebody who knows anything about marijuana. They still believe myths, and say silly things like "I don't do drugs, I drink." or "I get high on life!" Talk about any other drug and you're seen as being a weak-willed drug addict, at best.
On the spot, most people would vote for banning abortion unless it's to save the women's life. They will argue with you nonstop that it's murder.
Nobody has any idea who Jack Abramoff is, and most people still think Saddam/Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
Of course, this all depends the demographic you're surveying. A group of graduate students are more likely to be liberal and informed, but the majority of people are uneducated, and an even bigger majority don't even think critically. Their views are either very easily malleable, or will not change even in light of new facts.
Let's not forget that a good number of people on digg are not even in the US. - Pssdoff, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12It is up us to spread the word to those who do not use Digg. Tells your friends, tell your neighbors, and especially tell your grandmother. Its time to stop this bullsh*t! I will not let the corporate media steal this election too.
RON PAUL in 2008!!! - therightside, on 10/12/2007, -20/+4LOL! Its hilarious watching moonbat diggers rally and get excited like they are going to change the world. Go back to your moms basement with your bong and your 911 conspiracies.
- starlord1, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9@thecoolestguy The digg populous is not a representative sample. Yes its large enough to be statistically significant however consider the barriers to entry to be a member of digg.com
You must own a computer
You must have the knowledge to use the computer
You must own an internet connection
You must have the knowledge to use the web browser
You must have knowledge of this community
Owning a computer with internet is still the preserve of the white middle classes. Computer access in Schools and Public libraries doesn't mitigate this, since in most schools digg.com is blocked.
Digg.com is moderately left leaning, mostly male many users are from middle class back grounds often with a half decent education, the one caveat is an age thing, I'd like to see a distribution of ages, howver I'd bet the model age is early to middle teens whilst the mean could well be late teens to early 20s. Whilst it is an aspirational group it is not a representative one of the national distribution, sorry. - jesushchrist, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2Ron Paul is a ridiculous fantasist, you kids need to put down your Rush albums and join reality.
- caleb4mj, on 10/12/2007, -11/+10That reminds me, the reason the media is walking all over you.. 9/11 was an inside job, WTC7 fell in 6.6 seconds, molten metal found _weeks_ later in the basement. The government needs someone elected who will keep this a secret. Don't let them. Look up the facts for yourself. Then ask them why they omit the facts. And whenever they omit your Representative, post all the 9/11 News they don't want you to hear. When they ignore you, when they laugh at you, when they fight you, POST LOUDER. You will win. Eventually they will have no choice but to talk about the 9/11 = inside job story that EVERYONE is talking about! Want to know more? Look up Marvin Bush and John O'Neil and put options on the airlines and Jeb Bush's preparation to declare martial law on Sep. 7th, and the lies about Iraq from Pentagon insiders, and the fact that steel melts at 2500+ F, weakens at 1100+ F, and it only got up to around 800 F from Jet Fuel, people were standing and jumping out the gaping hole in the side of the building, where everyone says it had to be hot enough to melt steel, etc. If you want them to turn on the News start paying atttention. They can't talk about this story because you can't handle it. When you know what's up, they will have no choice but to address their audience. And by that time you have the upper hand. Please learn the truth, for justice. They will start talking about Ron Paul and all your candidates when you start talking about 9/11, just to shut you up, if nothing else. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about.
- caleb4mj, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4@jesushchrist
You old timers better buy some ammo cuz us kids are gunnin for the truth!
No amount of religion, tradition, polarized political debate or veterans demanding respect are going to get us to vote Republican, conservative or pro-war. In fact anyone who supports republicans, conservatives or war will be lucky to have a job when we're done with you. Anyone currently serving will be lucky to be out of prison. When your lies get people killed people get justice.
Be anti-fascist. With any luck they'll step out of line and give us opportunity to flex our patriotism. - cyn0sure, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12For those diggers who are not or have not taken any poli-sci courses, here is a direct quote from a American government textbook:
"The communications media are among the most powerful forces in the marketplace of ideas. The mass media are NOT simply neutral messangers for ideas developed by others. Instead, the media have an enormous effect on popular attitudes and opinions. Over time, the ways in which the mass media report political events help shape the underlying attitudes and beliefs from which opinions emerge."
Emphasis is mine. - caleb4mj, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3But don't listen to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvfmZvppKKU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUk8tAyVrgg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ktgl0tcsXg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiTGv9Mwff4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vq9BGWTWmY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on6Cjpvz1Po
Anyone want to debate the truth? I'll be here all week. - c0y0t3, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Digg population (who comment) is not a representative sample of America, otherwise, pot would be legal, Ron Paul or Mike Gravel would be elected in 2008, Atheism would be the dominant religion (or Pastafarianism), and Bush would be impeached.
While any of these things COULD happen with a big enough swing in public opinion, it would take no change whatsoever to make these things happen if Digg were truly representative.
Not everyone is as comfortable with the Internets and Googles, some get their news from (gasp) Katie Couric or Bill O'Reilly, instead of John Stewart, yes, as difficult as that is to believe. - sqladmin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1i second that !!
- cypherus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@Pssdoff (#6555433)
I mean this in the nicest way possible...I was under the impression that digg was comprised of mostly liberals...Why is most everyone in love with Ron Paul all of a sudden? He's a Republican right? I'm just really curious to find the answers here. - neodorian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@cypherus: I believe that Digg is more independent than you think. Breaking everything down to liberal/conservative on a scale is kind of like that scene in Donnie Darko where he's made to rate every action on a scale of fear to love. Not everything fits nicely on a con/lib scale and I notice that Diggers are way more concerned with their particular issues than anything else. If nothing else, by being an internet discussion site, issues like this that highlight the control over debate held by traditional corporate media tend to generate a lot of discussion. We like being able to vote for whatever viewpoints we like here so the idea that someone higher up is holding back a legitimate candidate really raises hackles whether or not you agree with him on any particular issue. Think of the backlash with the HD-DVD thing. Probably few of us even needed that code but when word got out that someone might be artificially altering the free discussion here, people responded en masse.
- Derrekito, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@asdfasdf
:) you get dugged down probably because no one knows who Jack Abramoff is. I find it particularly interesting that no one attempted to challenge your view, they simply attempt to silence you. The same will probably be true with me, which is something you have to realize about digg, there is a sheep mentality here. So I disagree when you say that most people on digg think critically, instead I feel that it is more common that an individual will get digg down simply because someone else did, rather than read the comment and think about it for a moment. - fuegosecret, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0The current administration has made the Repulican candidates irrelevant, and they know it. Vote all you want, they can't win. Our country is sick and tired of the criminal ***** that started with Nixon, continued through Reagan, and has reached a head with Bush and Cheney with this illegal war, this spreading of fear, and in the systematic removal of individual rights... big ones... like... uh, due process and habeas corpus... gone.
The Democrats, granted, are always befuzzled, but at least they are honest and HAVE THE PEOPLE's interests at heart, and NOT big business, big war, big pharmaceutical... all they have to do is show up, make sure they election isn't stolen like the last two times, they're going to win. - caleb4mj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I'm sorry, I apologize, We Agreed to Never Mention Marvin Bush!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfETgK-iMPo
- borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -21/+153the thing that pisses me off the most is that NO media news is saying anything about ABCs major *****. It's just this courttv website, regedit, and of course, digg.
- jmpeagle, on 11/05/2007, -8/+126who is this Ron Paul? I wish more stories would reach the front page about him.
- iceman0113, on 10/12/2007, -35/+10This is his bio:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul
and here are his political views:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Ron_Paul - jmpeagle, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27@ice
I actually know who Ron Paul is ...I suscribe to his Youtube channel. I just find it funny that he seems to constantly be on the front page. - suckfone, on 10/12/2007, -6/+80Nothing quite like sarcasm gone completely unnoticed.
- hdtvdust, on 10/12/2007, -27/+7Why do you find that funny? Digg users are little kids who follow the latest trend. Of course htey are going to follow Ron Paul and Mike Gravel even though they have absolutely zero chance of geting nominated, and they know it.
- borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -15/+2i noticed it...how could you not when there is constantly at least 1 RP story on the front page.
- brokekneck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@ borninda818
Well, would you rather it be Obama or Rudi like every other news group in the world? - koick, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Don't know why this was buried above, this answers the question:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul
- iceman0113, on 10/12/2007, -35/+10This is his bio:
- Sendss, on 11/05/2007, -5/+31Democracy is alive and well on Digg.
- Flashman, on 10/12/2007, -6/+48It's funny how pure democracy often represents mob rule.
- IAmCelery, on 10/12/2007, -11/+12Diggers make one hell of a mob.
- darkedict, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6@Flashman
It is not mob rule; rather,
Democracy is the "expression of the idea that a free society composed of diversities can nonetheless enjoy moments of commonality when, through public deliberations, collective power is used to promote or protect the wellbeing of the collectivity." --S. Wolin
When democracy fails, it is the hope that individuals will try to correct it. That is what the "digital revolutions" are about. - lordmetroid, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16By design and mob rule always favour totalitarianism... That's why one has a republic and not a democracy.
In a democracy the two wolfs and a sheep voteing for dinner would eat the sheep. In a republic the sheep would have a gun to protect his equal rights as any other individual! - gr3i, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Digg isn't a democracy. It is constantly open to manipulation by interested parties in an even more direct manor than most elected governments.
Infact, I'd go far as to say that the comment system on Digg is the epitome of mob rule. The default view of any story is to hide comments with a rating of -5 diggs or lower. This easily allows users to gang up on people with a different opinion and essentially prevent their views or at least reduce the likelihood of those views from being visible to the majority of users (that haven't changed their settings).
You'd have to be pretty idealistic or naive to believe that anything on the internet can emulate democracy in a meaningful way. - thecoolestguy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4Digg gives power back to the people. It allows for collaboration in a major way among the general population.
- starlord1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@Flashman yes indeed a democracy in its purest form is mob rule, majority rule. We thankfully in our own political systems are used to liberal democracies. That is majority rule with protection mechanisms for minority groups, ethnic, ages, sexualities etc. Digg.com comment system has no such protections in place hence the majority and often the mob rule. This was exemplified in the week just gone by with AACS key. Whilst the mob wanted to see their ideas of free speech protected, they were happy to have Kevin Rose and digg.com do the protecting, which would of course have no backlash on them whilst digg.com took the flagellation.
@gr3I My thoughts exactly. No protection for th minority groups, yes on digg.com those groups differ. It is the people in favor of adequate protections of content, republicans in favor of the War in the Persian Gulf - but these groups have a voice that has validity and should not be drowned out by the self righteous liberal left that are in the majority here on digg. The irony is that digg down button that causes comments to be hidden is the exact same premise of the gagging order handed out by "the man" that the same liberal left wave their banner of free speech at every time something is "censored".
Now I might not agree with Bush about the war, or the president of the AACS, or Nick Griffen, however these people have a voice that should be heard along with any other - the principal being that most people will agree with the voices that make the most sense according to their belief system and thus make the right choices.
- dagger77, on 11/05/2007, -18/+17The media and corporations don't want an anti-war candidate like Ron Paul to succeed, it will ruin their profits.
- cliffy2000, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17Yeah, that's why the media spends all of its time covering the war, instead of frivolous things like Anna Nicole Smith and the Imus scandal. There's a lot of money to be made in war coverage!
- phoephus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12@cliffy
Some big media is owned by defense contractors(GE/Westinghouse). And those that are not are owned by giant corporations that often are trying to get some type of legislation passed, so they tend to try to play nice with those in power in government.
- Pirate45, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2heck yes
- vguard, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3Maybe diggers should stop linking to ABC's stories. If they keep it up, we should "cut off their air supply".
- hdtvdust, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Yeah...because Digg really represents a significant portion of ABC's traffic. Oh wait...no it doesn't. It is MEANINGLESS to them
Honestly...time to come back to planet earth and realize that outside of Digg, NO ONE cares ABOUT Digg.
- hdtvdust, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Yeah...because Digg really represents a significant portion of ABC's traffic. Oh wait...no it doesn't. It is MEANINGLESS to them
- moogle516, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3eheheheh
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/1407/motivator5455824df1.jpg - theelocust, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32So thats owned nowadays, posting on a forum. Damn I think i just owned.
- phibre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That pics was kinda funny, but THIS, from the ABC forum, THIS = [ gettin pvvnd by a post ] :
ABC, you utterly astound me. You don't even try to tell half-truths! The entire article is a complete fabrication. Real journalism is no longer existent in the mainstream media. How is it possible to write an article, mention that your organization (amongst others) were inundated with email and message board traffic, and NOT mention that you were inundated because you left Ron Paul off of the original poll??? Furthermore, you de-legitimize your own statements regarding "viral marketing" because you site no sources or proof regarding this OPINION. When did hearsay become journalism? How can you call yourself a news organization? This sickens me, and I hope that it sickens the rest of America. An event that is entirely newsworthy, even if it was a fluke (as you suggest) should have much better coverage. America is much more intelligent and capable of critical thinking than you believe. It is a good thing that there is real news elsewhere. Hope we don't scare you too much... Posted by: irishmonkeyfish 11:36 PM
/exquisite, sheer utter ohnage
- phibre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That pics was kinda funny, but THIS, from the ABC forum, THIS = [ gettin pvvnd by a post ] :
- syxle, on 10/13/2007, -16/+36Why are Ron Paul advocates suddenly being dugg down?
Strange...
RON PAUL FOR THE WIN!- thecoolestguy, on 10/12/2007, -12/+7no kidding
- shirosamurai, on 10/12/2007, -17/+10Because we hear about Ron Paul every day, several times a day.
...Just a thought. - storm8956, on 10/12/2007, -12/+10@shirosmauri
The reason I dig Ron Paul stories is because he has been getting shut out by the media spotlight. Why not try to get someone recognized who actually has some good things to say? And frankly, I'm a little tired of the mainstream media steering the presidential elections. - Saccharin, on 10/12/2007, -11/+22Because we don't want to put up with this ***** for 18 months. You ***** are giving us Paul/Gravel fatigue with all of this inane spamming. Stop complaining about the media and how you can't game internet polls and go create your own media system like the left has done for years with blogs. Get some organization together and some actual money to run a campaign. Spamming Digg is only going to alienate the very small portion of the population that even knows who these people are.
- iiDLii, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3Maybe because the rest of digg users a ***** of agenda pushing *****
- iiDLii, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4*****, bastard timed editing. what I meant to say was...I am sick of agenda pushing ***** eg liberationists turning digg into a platform for their crackpot personal ideas. Please ***** off and take the 911 nut jobs with you.
- shirosamurai, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8@storm
The problem is everyone around here is just preaching to the choir. Everyone on digg knows who Ron Paul is, but beyond that, he doesn't have that much coverage. Aside from sending loads of e-mails out to big media (which so far has done very little except for getting him included in some silly poll), it's all one big Ron Paul circlejerk around here.
circlejerk
-n.
"a pompous, self-congratulatory discussion where little to no progress is made." - alvinrod, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Eventually it pisses off enough people that they get fed up and start digging down anything in favor (or against) a certain topic.
For the longest time it was fashionable to hate the PS3 and rip it to hell every time you heard anything good said about it. Sony was evil and as far as enough people were concerned nothing good could be true. Eventually enough people got sick of this completely biased crap and and started digging up comments that suggested there might be a good side to the PS3 and burying the usuals who kept up the hate.
Ron Paul really exploaded on Digg and he had everyone singing his praises and acting like his ***** didn't stink. Enough people got sick of this that they just started selectively digging anything good said about Ron Paul down. I'd rather see people respond with intelligent criticisms and start debates, and for both sides to realize the merits to any arguments made and not digg up or down based on the stance, but whether or not a valid argument is made.
I don't like everything about Ron Paul or all of his stances, but I like his general philosophy and that's why I support him. I probably wouldn't have heard a lot about him if it wasn't for Digg, because as pointed out by several people, he doesn't get a lot of mainstream coverage, for whatever reason. I think a lot of other people feel this way and that's why stories about him make the front page.
It's pretty childish to yell spam all the time. There probably are some people who are here just to promote Ron Paul, just like there are people here to probably only promote Obama or some other candidate or product or company or pretty much anything else. There are a lot of Digg users out there though who like Ron Paul for what he stands for though and they're the ones doing a lot of the work. Some of them might actually be the ones now submitting articles about Ron for all I know. If you don't like Ron, make some well constructed arguments about what you don't like and back it up with facts or state why you feel that your opinion is better in a particular case.
Expect to be Dugg down anyways though. There are going to be some people who are childish enough to think that anything that's different from there beliefs is horrible and wrong and deserves to be burried, but there are also people out there who will read what you've written and think for themselves about the issue. I think the Digg community has a ways to go in understanding this, but have faith that the system will get better. - thecoolestguy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7Ron Paul is the greatest hope for mankind.
- friday1970, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4For all honesty, Ron Paul doesn't have a chance to win the primaries. Its going to be either Guliani or Romney. McCain's burnt the republican base too much in the past. And if Fred Thompson runs, no other candidate, with the possible exception of Guliani, stands a chance. And Ron Paul has the worst chance of anyone.
- fisharmor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@friday:
The only reason you can say that truthfully is because there are so many others like you who are saying it.
If everyone in this country would vote in favor of what they believe, instead of voting against what they don't believe in, then maybe we'd have something other than a couple of muppets to choose from every 4 years. - friday1970, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yes, but the people who are saying it are the ones who are voting republican. I can also imagine there are those on this board who want Ron Paul to win the primaries, but will still end up voting democrat against the guy. How would you vote?
- torched, on 11/12/2007, -7/+14prisonplanet needs to do Ron Paul a favor and not mention him at all, not that there is anything wrong with that site but 90% of the people wouldn't take an article published there very seriously.
- DAGONthehauge, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Let ABC know what you think -
http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3068843 - Prince373, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15@ rhinocero
Digg is not an accurate reflection of public opinion, but 1000 diggs =/= 1000 views. It's actually more like a million views, which are well worth fighting for for any candidate.
Old numbers, but maybe still accurate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digg_effect#Extent- hdtvdust, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Where are you getting that 1000 Diggs equals a million page views? Digg does not have a million viewers, let alone a million peopel who actually GO to the site that they are digging.
- signal15, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I posted a story a couple of years ago that got just over 2000 diggs. In the two days following that, I received over half a million unique visitors to my site. I very frequently read stories and view sites on Digg, without actually digging them, even though I may find something interesting or cool.
It would be interesting to see some statistics on the number of diggs versus the number of unique viewer to a story/site. - Nonpariels61, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0As entertaining as Digg may be, it's time to realize that it's not actually a news source. Come on Prince, haven't you ever heard of CNN or the BBC? First Jon Stewart becomes America's guide to the elections, and now Digg is taking the place of credible news sources. It's people like you that are making the American public seem ignorant and uninformed.
- plokij909, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14How many Diggers are old enough to vote anyway?!
- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5And of that small percentage, how many Digg supporters or Ron Paul are registered Republicans able to vote in the Republican primary?
I'd say that's close to 0. - versatilewt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@SpaceMonkey
There's at least one (me).
- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5And of that small percentage, how many Digg supporters or Ron Paul are registered Republicans able to vote in the Republican primary?
- hdtvdust, on 11/05/2007, -20/+10He is NOT a serious candidate. And the only people who will get owned are the ones who think that Ron Paul has any shot at winning, when in reality, even he knows he doesn't, and is in this for publicity. He will be out of the race by Super Tuesday.
(And, you can subsitute Mike Gravel for Ron Paul and the above paragraph and it still holds true.)- Slist, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14That's not the point.... and it's not the reason why he should be excluded from an online poll. He might have no chances of winning, but you have to agree that it's unfair, undemocratic and unjournalistic to ignore him as a candidate.
- ichbinladen, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Shhh, they'll digg you down for shattering their illusions.
- thecoolestguy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15The chance he has of winning depends entirely on the amount of support he gets, and that my friend, is up to regular people to decide.
- robdazomba, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3When he drops out, do the cult members have to drink the Kool Aid, or are they planning a write-in campaign?
- robdazomba, on 10/12/2007, -10/+0@slist
Please, dude, go outside and get some fresh air.
@thecoolestguy
Do you really believe that? In this day and age with all the voting shenanigans we've seen in the last decade, do you really believe it's up to the people anymore? - thecoolestguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I don't know, I think it depends. IOW whether it is big powers that determine who has a chance or whether it is the merits of the policies a candidate is proposing, is still up on the air. The internet means it's a whole new ball game.
- friday1970, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1He is another Ned Lamont. (remember, he lost too)
- brettt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13if the mob would only actually do something. diggers need to promote VOTING at the time of the primaries and presidential election. popular submitters: heed this. Make sure and convince people to vote with your clout, see if digg can actually change the course of history by swaying the election. would be nice, and totally fix the system... power to the people...
- KChambers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Just make sure to be unbiased when telling people to vote, nothing makes me more sick that voting campaigns that are tied to a specific candidate/party. If you really care about the democratic process you want as many people involved, regardless of their affiliation.
- Prince373, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Well okay, not a million, but still a considerable number.
- Sendss, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15The Corporate media seems to think they get to pick our candidates for us. Unfortunately in the past our options have always have to choose between worse and worser.
It's time we took our democracy back!- jhshukla, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13and your grammar is way more worserer than that.
- BananaGrabber, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15All they did is add him to the poll. How does that equate to "forced admit that they lied?" Marked as inaccurate.
- phibre, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1RTFA,
then the comments on ABC's forum,
and you will grok this perplexing conundrum.
PS. Chuck Norris is voting for Ron Paul 2008, so he's already won.
- phibre, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1RTFA,
- ichbinladen, on 10/12/2007, -18/+8I say ***** Ron Paul and his army of digg blowhards.
- BabyWookie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Amen, brother!
- storm8956, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I like Ron Paul alright, but I kind of wish the poll results didn't look like ABC News just got mobbed.
- Jimmerz, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2I have only the vaguest idea of who this RuPaul is, but haven't we had enough of the 'neocon' crap? I mean is this transvestite really so different from a senile B actor that seemed to get the ball rolling (Reagan)? Dig me down if you will, I just want to see how he is substantially different from the current Republican incompetents.
- robdazomba, on 10/12/2007, -11/+1He's not different. The Republicans are marketing him as what they think people want. It's just like the way they marketed Bush in 2000 as a good ol' boy with loads of common sense from a farm in Texas. Same *****, different election, and half of Digg appears to be taking the bait.
- thecoolestguy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Ron Paul is a whole nother creature. He's a gem.
- fisharmor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Yeah..... Is it worth trying to explain it?
First, the "neocons" are "neo" but really lacking on the "con".
They're a movement that started with GW, and basically the whole thrust of the "neocon" thing is to horn in on the democrat's territory.
"Hey, we can make big government make horrible decisions too!"
Ron Paul is against using federal power for anything not explicitly spelled out in the US Constitution.
Whether you're a marxist who thinks we need to ban incandescent light bulbs, or a neocon who thinks federal mandates will clean up schools or create the perfect drug plan, he's not your man.
If you're like me, and you live right next to a river where millions of gallons of water go by every day, and you're tired of not being able to flush the ***** out of your house because of a federally mandated low-flow toilet, you might look into him.
- robdazomba, on 10/12/2007, -11/+1He's not different. The Republicans are marketing him as what they think people want. It's just like the way they marketed Bush in 2000 as a good ol' boy with loads of common sense from a farm in Texas. Same *****, different election, and half of Digg appears to be taking the bait.
- TomK2434, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7only a few people dug this, but ron paul got 6,660 votes when I voted for him (2nd place romney had 100).
So someone is paying attention.- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Someone is scamming an online poll. That is all.
- DetroitAdam, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8The Truth Never Sleeps. It's on.
Peace from Detroit - jayman187um, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Jeffrey Schneider Sr VP - Media Relations: 212-456-3587 wk 646-210-9367 (cell) Demand NO MORE Censorship!
- robdazomba, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16I love when people on sites like Digg or Fark or Slashdot get an exaggerated sense of the site's influence. Time to get outside and see the big world out there, 99.9% of which doesn't give half-a-***** about Digg or how many people click that little "digg" emblem.
- robdazomba, on 10/12/2007, -10/+11Ron Paul is now officially the political equivalent of the iPhone. I'm sick to death of either of them being on the front page of Digg.
- patch6, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3how superficial are you, anyways?
- sswobbles, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3When I lived out of the country, CNN was kicked out of two countries for repeatedly distorting the news... I'm all for free speech and everything, but huge media conglomerates need SOME sort of regulation in the US, as well.
- thecoolestguy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Ron Paul is totally against government regulation of anything, particularly the media. What we need is for the people to reject bullsht media like ABC.
- Bedonder, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4thecoolestguy,
Now this is where I don't understand Libertarian philosophy.
I am with you 100% on personal liberties.
I am with you most of the way on restricting government power.
But I don't understand this no regulation of business. What is to stop abuses of businesses (monopolies, health, safety, etc.) if there is no government regulation? - qcfb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3This is probably the deepest flaw in the libertarian ideology. They feel that the market can manage these issues. Informed, intelligent consumers should be able to vote with their wallets and keep big business in check. As someone who has given a history text or two the occasional cursory glance I must say I am dubious.
- UnstableMind, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@Bedonder
They're not saying that there should be no regulation, just that there should be no regulation from the federal government. The regulation is that of the State's and the people's rights, as stated by our Constitution. - thecoolestguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Bedonder, if corporations break the law, then the government stops them. Otherwise PEOPLE stop the abuses of corporations. People are responsible for their themselves, it's "buyer beware". We don't need government regulating morality. If a corporation acts like ABC is acting, then we, the people, can call them out for it and discredit them. There is no need for a nanny socialist government looking after us and making sure we're not taken advantage of.
- mbthompson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I'd like to thank those who brought this man to my attention. I don't know if I will vote for him or not, but through your prodding, I have at least found out about the man and will be watching him with others as the election draws ever closer.
- stalepie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9The media is crap!!!!
- JusticeAK, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4Down with Jew Com
- rnknowles, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5This story should be spread over the net like wildfire, printed in mass and leafleted over large U.S. cities!
- phibre, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Advocating Freedom and Liberty is a much bigger poke in their all-seeing eye than the hddvd key (that was kewl 2 tho, as a test run).
Supporting Ron Paul really pisses off the Establishment.
- phibre, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Advocating Freedom and Liberty is a much bigger poke in their all-seeing eye than the hddvd key (that was kewl 2 tho, as a test run).
- Mageant, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I hope people now finally understand that the mass media use their power to manipulate the public, often by simply omitting pieces of news.
- mmortal03, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6http://abcnews.justgotowned.com/
- LeeSoong, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Ron Paul got my Vote!
Reinstate the Constitution and restore the Republic NOW! - TimoP, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7"Digg to embarrass ABC news even more."
How exactly is ABC getting more embarassed when I press that little digg button?- sentime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3MSM fears the internet. Don't underestimate our power!
- iupetre, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Mainstream media still doesn't fully recognize Digg. We must teach them.
- jlhoben, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7How could anyone be possibly worse than Bush II (he's like a bad sequel)? Why are ***** patriots while Ron Paul supporters are somehow wacko? Your country is a complete mess because of the neo - con revolution. At least some of these non mainstream candidates are talking about the senselessness of an unending war and the need for monetary/budgetary reform.
- Jammer, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5Buried as inaccurate -- I'd choose lame too if I could. Ron Paul belongs on the Daily Show as a regular contributor.
Attention, all Ron Paul fanbois: put your otherwise wasted efforts into a candidate that actually has a chance of winning.- UnstableMind, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2We would if we were told or forced who to vote for, but thankfully, we're not. So...STFU!
- Constitution1st, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Jammer = LOSER
People are gonna be watching the primaries come February very closely. If they pull any shenanigans, there will be civil disobedience like this country hasn't seen since the 60's.
- flohoff60, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12The major media is losing ground in America the people watching are less everyday. Turn the Television
OFF. This will hurt them more than a digg. They won't get advertizing dollars from the Drug pushers if
they don't have viewership. - slaytanic213, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11ABC poll leaves out Ron Paul but includes people not even running!
http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=acfbb6dc8ab471136cb470c58ce41d01&threadid=297134
That site is getting a lot of reads too.
Over 16K hits and still climbing, might go "nu·cle·ar."
If digg drops this I will quit digg forever.
Dr. Ron Paul 2008! - Bleachers7, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Ron Paul is one of the most articulate and authentic people running this year. Mike Gravel is a little eccentric, but he's a former SENATOR with a lot of valid points. Why do ABC or any other mass media get to decide who's credible? I say they don't.
- popothebright, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1LOL. I know Gravel personally. He's crazy. Seriously crazy. He's a nice guy, but presidential material.? Jesus no.
- clubmasta2, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Wow...we've moved from blog spam to forum spam
Seriously when will the real articles get dugg? All I want is to click the link and get the story, not click 5+ links after that. - BrandonMills, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6For once, an article about Ron Paul I give a damned about. Don't kid yourself though, kids. ABC sold out YEARS ago. Especially since the merger with Disney.
As for Ron Paul himself, I really don't think anything he's presenting is really all the new or revolutionary. Just my opinnion. Want to get me excited, put Russ Fingold up for President.- endtyranny, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I'd vote for Feingold in a second.
- Infinite84, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Well our pressure got them to change their polls so put the pressure on & contact them, don't let them get away with it.
- endtyranny, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Ron Paul is one of the few sincere candidates running for the nomination and I would even consider voting for him. He knows what is right and wrong and definitely knows what he's doing. It's a shame that the major media refuses to acknowledge his and other second tier candidates' campaigns.
- Steyr47, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Wow. Ron Paul is on the list now and is in #1 with 10x the votes as 2nd place, "It doesn't matter who won the debate."
- bunk, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2Joe Biden kicks Ron Paul's ass.
- Infinite84, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Ron Paul will legalize weed & voted no for the war & for funding it every time so ***** Joe Biden.
- BabyWookie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Kucinich will also decriminalize drug use and has voted against the War every time and he's not even a right-wing loony like Ron Paul is!
- cbuddha42, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Haha, he currently has over 85% of the votes. On that poll hes not running against the other candidates, he's running against Bush's legacy.
- UnstableMind, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"Bush's Legacy" is an oxymoron if I ever heard one...
- interpaul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Mainstream Media = corporate puppets.
Call them today and raise hell! -> http://www.linkcrusader.com/contacts.htm
Flood them with emails today and raise hell! -> http://www3.webng.com/interpaul/msnbc_cronies.html
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” Mahatma Gandhi
We're at step 1. Keep fighting guys! We'll win for President Ron Paul in 2008!- thecoolestguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's so true. The f.uckers are gonna try to laugh at us next. Actually that's kind of already started with the ABC article trying to label Ron Paul supporters as fringe libertarians (whatever the f.uck Libertarian is supposed to mean, if supporting the constitution makes one a Libertarian, then every American should be a Libertarian, otherwise they are traitors to the country and the principles of freedom it was founded on).
- Infinite84, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I called those ***** & put the pressure on & I'm damn proud of it.
- psyops2000, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Like I said in the previous Diggs, ***** the mainstream media for trying to silence the people's opinion and ***** ABC.
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