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ABC Debate's Lapel Pin Questioner a Known Obama Critic

talkingpointsmemo.com — Turns out Nash McCabe was hardly some inquiring voter trying to make up her mind. She's been looking for that lapel pin for awhile, and had decided she could never vote for Barack Obama well before the debate. Even the "average citizens" were ringers in the premeditated ABC gotcha debacle.

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  • darthvader72, on 04/19/2008, -5/+74Planted questioner? smells Clinton campaign...George served his old boss well! Too bad we got internet now, not like in good old 1992 while Buba was running..
    • siszam, on 04/19/2008, -6/+5Bubba
      • diggeradoo, on 04/19/2008, -2/+12Hillary would never have questions planted ... uh ... well, unless you want to count this ... http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Hillary_Lie_120_ ...
        • hittnrun, on 04/19/2008, -6/+2Everyone's background matters EXCEPT Obama's??

          Yeah, that figures.
          • JEWestbrookJR, on 04/19/2008, -1/+5Do tell... what is incriminating about Obma's background? 'Cause I'd like to hear it.
          • hittnrun, on 04/19/2008, -6/+2Rev Wright the racist, weather underground bombers, Rizzo the scammer. Anything ring a bell?
          • qwerter, on 04/19/2008, -2/+5Either tell us something Wright said that was racist, or shut the hell up.
          • notque, on 04/19/2008, -3/+5Rev Wright isn't a racist.
          • hittnrun, on 04/19/2008, -4/+2wqerter: Try youtube.com, search "Rev. Wright".

            watch videos of the man spewing his racists hate.

            Imagine it a white preacher spewing about blacks and crime.
          • qwerter, on 04/19/2008, -0/+5Seen it. What did he say that was racist? Direct quote please.

            If you can't find anything, please stop parroting fox news. He's not racist just because you say he's racist.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion
          • hittnrun, on 04/21/2008, -2/+1When he generalizes with the word "white", that's racist.

            Blacks are criminals, Blacks are lazy.

            See, that would be considered racist.

            When Rev Wright says "whites" or "white man", that's being racist.
          • JEWestbrookJR, on 04/21/2008, -1/+2you are WAY off
            Using a generlized word doesn't make you racist, following it up with a hate filled message is
            Yes, "Blacks are criminals" and "Blacks are lazy" is indeed racist.
            "Blacks are thriving to succeed in American Culture" and "Blacks are generally friendly, outgoing people" aren't.
            FAIL.
          • hittnrun, on 04/22/2008, -1/+1I'm happy to let the voters decide if he is a racist or not.
      • cheezintern, on 04/19/2008, -1/+9Hillary's camp planting questions? no way, she's an honorable, moral, and dignified candidate and I'll be damned if I'm gonna sit here and let you make baseless accusations against....oh wait, never mind.
        • WilliamDavis, on 04/19/2008, -2/+3It's not "Hillary's camp." The whole thing's a sham, and neither Paul nor Obama were ever supposed to gain any real life traction. If you blame Hillary, you still don't get it.
      • alpine75, on 04/19/2008, -1/+4To be very technical...the internet existed in 1992...
    • robdiggity, on 04/19/2008, -3/+3Speaking of lapel pins... anybody notice the lapel pin Edwards wore on last night's Colbert Report?

      http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/John_Edwards_on_ ...
      • wageslaven, on 04/19/2008, -1/+3From that crap video, I cant tell.

        What was it?
        • lex0nyc, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2Woodmen of The World?
        • p0s3r, on 04/19/2008, -0/+3I (heart) AQ?
        • IllBeBack, on 04/19/2008, -0/+5A tiny jet ski?
        • robdiggity, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2I admit I watched the ep on my DVR, so it was much clearer. It looked like a little silver "O" to me. The Youtube clip isn't nearly as clear, but you can make it out.
        • lex0nyc, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1It's a Member of Congress pin.
      • Troy64, on 04/19/2008, -2/+1You Dems should of voted for Edwards as your candidate. He would be much harder to beat in the general election.
        • robdiggity, on 04/19/2008, -1/+1This Republican thinks you should have said "should have."
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    • myztero, on 04/19/2008, -17/+3Why are Obama lovers so scared of hard questions to their man? Because it exposes him as a candidate with no answers, only catch phrases.
      • StarlessKnight, on 04/19/2008, -1/+18"Do you believe in the American flag?" Is not a hard question. It is a retarded question. What was he suppose to have said? What did she hope to get? "Oh, no, I don't believe at all in the American flag, that's why I'm running for President of the United States of America." Wait, what?
      • cranium, on 04/19/2008, -0/+7The problem is they're asking irrelevant questions instead of hard ones.
        • hittnrun, on 04/19/2008, -5/+122 debates, alll with the same questions and the same jibberish answers. It was time to shake it up a little. I can't wait till its Obama/McCain in a debate. It will be painfully obvious that Obama is too inexperienced to be considered.
      • iainc, on 04/19/2008, -0/+4I'm sorry! Hard questions!?!?!? Did you watch the so-called 'debate'?
    • DirkBelig, on 04/19/2008, -15/+5When the CNN/YouTube debate for the GOP was revealed to have at least FIVE Democratic activists giving questions to the GOP candidates, if effect allowing Democrats to decide what the Republicans would discuss for their own primary, what was the reactionof the Digg herd?

      [crickets]

      But when Obama - a man with no accomplishments other than to have gotten elected to the Senate and then become the "Magical Negro" thru which racist liberals will gain absolution for their racism by voting for him - is asked basic questions that reveal his profoundly radical Marxist views, the Digg herd goes ***** because they know that the general public will freak out at his extremism and vote for McCain. And if McCain wins, they don't get their absolution and then they have to cope with their self-loathing and racism for another four years, at least, do they?

      Boo-friggedy-hoo! If Obama can't take 45 minutes of questions from reporters without filling his diaper, WTF is he going to do when Al Queda, emboldened by his surrender and retreat from Iraq, nukes his hometown of Chicago? Hmmmm? Obama almost cried when Maureen Dowd mentioned his big ears; he's crying about being treated unfairly now; I'm sure Kim Jong Il and the nutcases in Iran will be really scared of Obama in the Oval Office. Not.
      • alacrity2005, on 04/19/2008, -1/+7Rush Limbaugh... is that you?
      • earther, on 04/19/2008, -2/+9Dirk, you ***** *****, what are you even talking about? Magical Negro? Are you even sane? Do you really think we care what color he is? All we care about are his ideas, you racist piece of garbage.
        This isn't about hard questions, moron. This is about the absence of hard questions. Learn to comprehend.
        You're just scared ***** cause you know he's better than anything any republican on the planet can offer.
      • drugged, on 04/19/2008, -1/+1There might be a little more sympathy for the Republican party if it weren't for the last 8 years of dirty politics. The difference between this election and the last two is that Democrats are behaving more like Republicans - and as misguided as Hillary is with some of her tactics, you've got to concede that the GOP started us all down this twisted, f*cked up road. 4 years ago Dem. voters were upset that the Democratic party wasn't playing hard enough, and were letting the Republicans walk all over them, now the kid gloves are off, and you people suddenly can't deal... grow up.
    • MoofTheStoof, on 04/19/2008, -5/+13I really hope the woman (Nash McCabe) doesn't get vilified for this. She already has quite enough troubles to be going on with. There's a rather remarkable story behind how she ended up with all this attention, anyway, and it is a sad, terrible story. Her husband is a miner and very ill. He lost his work and insurance and they've been struggling for a long time to try to get him coverage. In the mean time, she's now lost her job and they're completely adrift and now they have a diagnosis of brain tumor for the husband and no insurance. Yet in the midst of all this the issue that she's worrying about? Not healthcare, not jobs - she's worried that Obama might not revere the flag enough. That's why she ended up in the New York Times piece, and that article is how ABC heard about her to seek her out for the debate question. She personifies exactly what Obama has been talking about - she's so used to not getting any help from her government that what she votes for isn't her own economic self interest, but rather one of these petty wedge issues like flag burning, or gay rights or abortion. I really hope she and her husband get the help they so desperately need.
      • petrodollar, on 04/19/2008, -11/+2I hope she and her husband die of slow, painful cancer, with a touch of AIDS thrown in for good measure.
        • hittnrun, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1you need to seek help. Karma works BOTH ways.
      • sodade, on 04/19/2008, -2/+2Unfortunately, idiot america doesn't think that those issues are petty. Watch how many pro-lifers vote for McCane in the general election. They have themselves worked up into a lather that a holocaust is going on under their noses and they think that their god wants them to stop it. People that arrogant will never ever ever think rationally. They will flush america down the toilet just like they did in the last two elections. They are so lathered up that they don't bother to pay attention to how they are getting economically screwed by the GOP. This is how republicans get people to vote against their own self interests.
        • stretch611, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2Actually the pro-lifers are more likely to stay home. (unless McCain picks a very religious running mate) McCain has always been a moderate and only this year did he cozy up to the religious right. Now that he has the nomination he has been avoiding them as much as he is able.
          If you remember people like Rush Limbaugh where campaigning against McCain in the primaries.

          Disclaimer: As an independent, I have liked McCain in the past but this year my vote is for Obama.
  • imgstacke, on 04/19/2008, -8/+58The 'Establishment' aren't even being subtle anymore, they are afraid of Obama's message, which is The Government, INCLUDING the President, work for the people, not the other way around.
    • p0s3r, on 04/19/2008, -23/+8*****. Did you hear his tax plan? He's going to enslave the people to work for the Government.
      • rondigg1, on 04/19/2008, -4/+19Citation, please. And guess you didn't hear about that trillion dollar deficit your "tax-cutting" buddies ran up. Or the $116 a barrel oil. Guess working for the Chinese and Saudis is a gig you can live with.
        • DaDrake, on 04/19/2008, -13/+6Oil will keep going up.... supply and demand. Doesn't matter if you find a flying unicorn, its not going to go back down.

          Secondly, I can guarantee you Obama won't lower the deficit with all his new social programs.
        • Lone1, on 04/19/2008, -4/+3He wants to raise the cap on payroll taxes. This is the worse kind of tax increase for working people. There are no deductions, its regressive and raising it to balance the budget is just wrong because effectively the people that pay into payroll are paying the bill for those tax cuts. This one thing, if passed will cause me to never vote again because I'm just NOT going to vote republican. There will have to be a third party for me. The problem is most people don't understand it so Obama thinks he has to found a way to raise taxes while claiming he didn't. It won't work and it will drive many of those people affected to the republicans once they figured out what happened.
      • imgstacke, on 04/19/2008, -5/+2Case in point! HAHA
      • wageslaven, on 04/19/2008, -3/+12Historically, the GOP spend more and tax as much as the Dems presidents.

        In short, take your reactionary rhetoric and fcuk off. The country has been fcuked enough by your paranoid anti-social memetics.
      • bjornski, on 04/19/2008, -2/+8Have you heard McCain's?

        He'll cut taxes and just keep throwing ***** on the already huge debt. And bailouts? He's against them, well, except for that Bear-Stears one. And his plans for the people with houses going into foreclosure? Get a GOVERNMENT BACKED 30-year mortgage! So that puts the government in the position of the risk-taker on homes that the borrowers never should have gotten in the first place. GOOD PLAN!

        Nobody ever seems to complain about having to pay $400 BILLION per year in interest on those debts.

        Yeah, let's raise that debt ceiling again. Vote McCain, and you can guarantee a $12 trillion debt by the end of his first term.

        Party of fiscal responsibility my ass.
    • DaDrake, on 04/19/2008, -16/+1Since Obama has promised a tax increase, I say we work for the government.
      • MacEnvy, on 04/19/2008, -1/+13Why? Do you make more than $250k per year? From the amount of trolling you do on Digg, I somehow doubt it.
        • p0s3r, on 04/19/2008, -6/+2Obama plans on raising capital gains taxes. 100M Americans claimed capital gains last year. 20% of those that claimed gains made less than 50k. Obama also plans on raising the cap on payroll taxes from $102k. Last I checked $102k was less than $250k.

          http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?seci ...
          • bjornski, on 04/19/2008, -2/+5And you back more tax cuts. I see. So it's just fine to keep raising that national debt instead of paying it off.

            The interest ALONE on that is over $400 billion per year. But I guess that's just fine. Let's cut taxes, crank up more debt and make that $500 billion per year. Invade another country and make it $600 billion per year.

            You "fiscal conservatives" are morons. Paying your debts with a credit card you have absolutely no intention of paying off.

            I'd rather have "tax and spend" policies which don't tack ***** onto the debt, than "tax cut and spend anyway", and "let's just put it on the Chinese credit card" Republican plans.
          • p0s3r, on 04/19/2008, -6/+2“I not only have pledged not to raise their taxes,” said the Senator (Obama), “I’ve been the first candidate in this race to specifically say I would cut their taxes.”

            Obama "pledged" not to raise taxes on the middle class.
            Obama says he's going to raise payroll taxes and capital gains taxes which will affect a significant portion of the middle class.

            What part of that can't you grok?

            Hey here's a solution to the national debt. Leave taxes where they are and cut spending! Why is "cut spending" such a dirty word to you people?
          • p0s3r, on 04/19/2008, -6/+3Reducing the debt is so important to you why would you vote for a guy who is promising NOT to balance the budget?

            Balanced budget must wait: Obama
            http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/695811 ...
          • Lone1, on 04/19/2008, -2/+5another... Obama's Tax Evasion... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120847505709424727 ...

            The interesting one to me is the SS tax increase because it is going to hit middle class people much harder than a straight increase in tax on income. This is something I could only believe would be proposed by a republican. This is using middle class people to pay off the uber rich debt. Truly.... Stunning.
        • RJGONZO, on 04/19/2008, -3/+2The fact that you still somehow believe that the only people who will get a tax increase if/when Obama OR Hillary get into office are people making over $250k per year demonstrates how much these idiots can lie right to your face and have you defend their plan as if it were your own. If you make $40k per year supporting a family of 4, you're rich according to the government, and you get bumped from the 15% tax bracket to the 25% bracket. That's a 10% increase in taxes for a person who makes barely enough money to pay a mortgage, let alone food, utilities, car payments, the price of gas...the tax code is broken and any of the three candidates will just perpetuate the problem. Think they'll add a "Vote of No Confidence" button this year?
          • bjornski, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1Citation needed.

            And I've NEVER heard anyone saying that $40k is rich, especially by the very people who continue to try and convince me that $250k a year is "middle class".

            You're pulling numbers out of your ass again. Typical.
    • tricks574, on 04/19/2008, -2/+0Wut? They are afraid he'll do what?
    • Kingmichael, on 04/19/2008, -6/+8Are you serious? "The Establishment" isn't afraid of Obama. The establishment IS Obama. Why the ***** do you think he's such a media darling? Why do you think he has the support of the likes of Ted Kennedy?

      Just because the ABC debate was rigged doesn't mean that this "establishment" is afraid of Obama. If the establishment was really afraid of Obama, he would get way less attention from the mainstream media than he has now... You know, like Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, etc.
    • Andysan, on 04/19/2008, -10/+5Just why is it that probes of Obama's character upset some folks? Could it be he comes up a little short? Also, Obama-style socialism has never worked anywhere in the world -- ever. So, we should be highly skeptical of this guy.
      • dimebonics, on 04/19/2008, -2/+7Yeah, because as we've seen in the past 8 years, unhindered, unregulated capitalism does wonders for it's society! I'm not into extreme socialism either, but I'd pick renovating our city libraries and schools with modern literature and technology any day of the week.
      • nosecohn, on 04/19/2008, -2/+8What, do tell, is "Obama-style socialism?" If you're talking about his proposals for things like universal health care, Obama's plan is far short of the socialized systems in place in the countries with the best medical care in the world.
      • bjornski, on 04/20/2008, -1/+2So instead you stand behind "let's cut taxes in the face of a crippling debt and invade another country on the Chinese credit-card" and "we may be there 100 years" McCain, or "I was against NAFTA before I was for it and my husband went speaking on behalf of it" and "CACKLE- change subject" Hillary?

        Honest to god, you McCain supporters are morons. If you vote for McCain I hope to god you've enlisted, because we DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH TROOPS to do what he proposes. NOR enough money.

        But that's okay! We'll just throw it on the debt! Debts don't matter! That $400 BILLION per year in interest on it is GOOD for us!
  • DaDrake, on 04/19/2008, -28/+5This hardly isn't the same as democrats planting people in a republican debate (or vise versa). This is a democratic debate, and you expect to have pro-Hillary and pro-Obama democrats. Honestly, while the question is stupid..... you can't call it "planting".
    • alwor, on 04/19/2008, -2/+12It's planting when you see an article with Nash McCabe telling her opinion about Obama and the flag pin, go to find her to tape her saying it again, to then show it to Obama. That's pretty f**king far from being some random viewer interested in asking a question.
  • actorboy, on 04/19/2008, -4/+89McCabe: "How can I vote for a president who won't wear a flag pin?"

    Glad to know flag pins are such an important litmus for character...to a woman who wears no flag pin:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7ztEydS8EA
    • Ajajadude, on 04/19/2008, -0/+19We all know a person's ability to serve their country in an honorable fashion is completely dependent on their fashion accessories. It's *****. Plain and simple.
    • pedo, on 04/19/2008, -1/+14she must be on the payroll of whoever makes the flagpins
    • dotlizard, on 04/19/2008, -2/+16Neither candidate, nor the questioner, were wearing flag pins, right? so ... wtf? McCabe is a racist looking for an excuse to hate. she picked a really lame one -- not only irrelevant, but totally baseless.
    • orangedude, on 04/19/2008, -1/+6"But to understand why Obama rubs McCabe wrong is to go beyond the question of what a flag pin has to do with patriotism — it's not really about the flag pin, she said in a telephone interview Thursday — and consider McCabe's life."
      http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/34071.html

      It's even worse in truth. She was being intentionally deceptive and is in fact a staunch Clinton supporter. Although I sympathize with the hard times she has faced, rather than voting for exactly the candidate that is working for people like her (Obama), she instead makes judgments based on hate, since she perceives Obama as being different from her. Obama's life mirrors McCabe's far more so than Hillary's ever will. She is EXACTLY the type of "bitter" voter that Obama was speaking about.
    • JesusHatesYou, on 04/19/2008, -0/+10Every time I hear that flag pin issue come up, I think of the gay Peurto Rican dude from Seinfeld saying to Kramer "Who doesn't want to wear the [AIDS] ribbon?" :) It was a superficial and comical issue 10 years ago, but who'd guess it would rear its ugly head in a Presidential debate.
    • chrissku, on 04/19/2008, -0/+3Where the f**k is Hillary's flag pin?
  • pedo, on 04/19/2008, -3/+100obama should have said something like, "if i wear 10 flag pins does that mean i love my country more than someone that wears only one?"

    what part of "flag pins have become a substitute for true patriotism. i prefer to show my patriotism through my words and actions." is so ***** hard for these idiots to understand????
    • Dumbledorito, on 04/19/2008, -0/+40Sorry, I couldn't read your post. My WiFi has been wonky since I covered my house in ribbon magnets.
    • p03tctrag3dy, on 04/19/2008, -0/+20Joanna: You know what, Stan, if you want me to wear 37 pieces of flair, like your pretty boy over there, Brian, why don't you just make the minimum 37 pieces of flair?
      Stan, Chotchkie's Manager: Well, I thought I remembered you saying that you wanted to express yourself.
      Joanna: Yeah. You know what, yeah, I do. I do want to express myself, okay. And I don't need 37 pieces of flair to do it.
      [flips off Stan]
      • StrangeBeast, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2Peter Gibbons: Well, maybe you should. You know, the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.
    • DeskFlyer, on 04/19/2008, -0/+11It's the same logic used by the people with yellow ribbons on their vehicles.
  • pedo, on 04/19/2008, -6/+93this woman is unemployed and her biggest concern is flag pins. this only proves what obama has been saying is right. they vote against their economic interests because of distractions like this. the woman is a ***** moron.
    • dBass, on 04/19/2008, -2/+17For the record, Sen. Obama never said: "the woman is a ***** moron." and does not know 'pedo'. Therefore, Sen. Obama cannot be guilty by association of anything 'pedo' said. Although she obviously is a ***** moron.
      • wageslaven, on 04/19/2008, -11/+3I rape babies. I will also be voting for Obama.
    • Ajajadude, on 04/19/2008, -0/+28Well, the reason she's unemployed is because she's been too busy making sure our elected officials are all wearing flag pins.
      • nosecohn, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2Perhaps she could get a job at a flag pin manufacturer... in China, of course.
    • petrodollar, on 04/19/2008, -0/+8Only psychos would focus on a lapel pin as a qualification for president. I hope the first thing Obama does upon taking office is issue the death penalty to stupid ***** like her.
    • averagejoesgym, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1That is an excelllent point. It relates directly to Obama's "bitter" comments. She's struggling financially and turns to the lowest common denominators in frustration.
  • kiubo, on 04/19/2008, -5/+8Looks like George Stephanopoulos took one for the team.
    • MacEnvy, on 04/19/2008, -0/+12The worst part is, I honestly don't think he even knows it. He thought he was perfectly fair, which only proves how out of touch he, Gibson, and the other pundits have become with the general American populace. There are serious issues at stake in this election, and all they can think to ask are questions revolving around wedge issues that have been propagated by the pundits themselves.

      Maybe we're paying these guys too much or something. The "independent press" is supposed to be the voice of the populace, and these folks don't have a good handle on the average person anymore.
    • secrity, on 04/19/2008, -1/+1He liked it. A journalist should NEVER "Take one for the team".
    • averagejoesgym, on 04/19/2008, -0/+0Stephanopoulos is just mad because people keep mistaking him for Doug Flutie and then are disappointed when they find out he's not.
  • cobbwobbles, on 04/19/2008, -3/+57that women is practically a walking Obama advertisement, she is exactly the product of a society that guts its education funding and public broadcasting and then wonders why the populace contains morons who think flag pins are a guarantee of fealty to the people. This is the kind of logic that a three year old uses.
    • nomadxx7, on 04/19/2008, -0/+6You know what cobbwobbles? I do agree with what you have to say, AND I'll defend to the death your right to say it
    • jerbaker, on 04/19/2008, -1/+3Some of us were more intelligently designed than others.
    • stretch611, on 04/19/2008, -0/+4i.e. This woman voted for George Bush... Twice.
  • Stevanoski, on 04/19/2008, -41/+4Poor BHO, gets a few tough questions and whines like an infant not getting his bottle. You should ask your candidate to be able to handle tough questions. One nice thing about the Leftist media hating Conservatives, they are used to tough questions.
    • Dumbledorito, on 04/19/2008, -1/+19Uh-huh. Just like their fearless leader? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4454738.st ...

      Questions about flag pins are as relevant as questions about favorite flavors of ice cream or favored sports teams. Nobody who pays attention is asking "why are the questions so tough," they're asking "why aren't the questions about something meaningful or policy-related?"
    • felman87, on 04/19/2008, -1/+21yeah, tough questions like "Does Wright love America as much as you?" and "Why don't you wear a flag pin?". Look at what your grand country has been reduced to.
    • buhbyebot, on 04/19/2008, -1/+13You're like a broken record. I've seen similar posts in other Obama threads. How about this quote from Bush after the Pope spoke.... "Hey, awesome speech Pope"... who the ***** says something like that? Class Act. /sarcasm

      Why are Republicans crossing over at Primaries to vote for Hillary then? Is it Obama they fear maybe?
      • Stevanoski, on 04/19/2008, -13/+3hmmm, I don't know buhby, but they just think HIllary is the best candidate and want a chance to vote for her come fall.
        • wageslaven, on 04/19/2008, -3/+5Hey look everyone, a Ditto-head ^^^^
  • light65733, on 04/19/2008, -3/+14Where was Nash McCabe's flag pin. Where has Hillary's and what about the moderators? Wouldn't just be easier to outlaw the use of the flag to promote political aspirations?
    • Stavrosian, on 04/19/2008, -0/+7Or ideally get the nation to stop pretending that the actual flag itself is what is important, rather than the nation and ideals it stands for.
    • averagejoesgym, on 04/19/2008, -0/+0Sir, you have besmirched that woman's honor. I will have you know she has a 1-foot wide flag tatoo across her back.....good day to you. LOL
      • stretch611, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1Hillary has one tattooed on her thigh. Unfortunately, no one has ever seen it, not even Bill.
  • clak, on 04/19/2008, -5/+27The attacks on Barack are insane. First it was, hey, his name sounds really weird. Then it was, Barack's preacher criticized America. Now it's a lapel pin? WTF? Did George Washington wear a lapel pin? Did John F. Kennedy wear a lapel pin? I thought you only had to be a naturalized citizen of thirty-five years to run for president. Jesus!
    • Atomic1fire, on 04/19/2008, -1/+8I thought you had to be born in the united states
      No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,
      http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A2Sec1
      • Atomic1fire, on 04/19/2008, -3/+2To Reinstate My point
        Citizen of the United States, at the time of this constitution
        Meaning if you were a naturalized citizen at the time the constitution was created
        Then it was fair
        • bjornski, on 04/19/2008, -0/+4I think most of those people are long since dead.
        • Atomic1fire, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2Thats the point
          You cant be a naturalized president now...
          because the deadline is long over
    • faskippy, on 04/19/2008, -1/+1It's time to change your diaper.
    • JesusHatesYou, on 04/19/2008, -0/+3The expresion is grasping at straws. The GOP also spread rumors he was Muslim and keep making the Osama Freudian slip.
      • RJGONZO, on 04/19/2008, -1/+1Ted Kennedy was the originator of the Osama/Obama Freudian slip, was he not?
      • stretch611, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2I'm sure it is just a "slip" when the GOP does it.
        /sarcasm
  • Nudar, on 04/19/2008, -16/+6In the future let's make sure that only Obama's supporters are allowed to ask him questions at debates.
    • buhbyebot, on 04/19/2008, -2/+8How about not letting a Right Wing Nut talk radio ***** like Hannity ask a stupid ***** question? or planing that Obama hater about the flag pin.
      • nastronomical, on 04/19/2008, -7/+1So Obama is too Elite to be asked questions by us lesser none liberal dogs?
        • Lone1, on 04/19/2008, -1/+2He's too elite to be questions by liberals too apparently. A pattern begins to emerge. I hope that if he is elected that democrats in congress will stand up to him on the things that he is just wrong on. I begin to worry.
        • StarlessKnight, on 04/19/2008, -0/+3Nastronomical: When did you stop hating America? That's a valid question, isn't it? About as meaningful as asking where someone's made in China pin-up flag is.
          • p0s3r, on 04/19/2008, -3/+1"Obama, (Apr 2008): I have never said that I don't wear flag pins or refuse to wear flag pins."
            "Obama, Oct. 2007: I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest."

            http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/taking_lib ...
            Obama himself made it a relevant issue. He's the one that decided to "take a stand" on the issue. Sucks for him that it backfired.
          • jaxcs, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2Hey you pin crazy freaks, how many pins do you wear? Did you notice no one wore a pin? Why do the candidates, moderators, and crazy pin ladies all hate America? I walked down the street yesterday. No one was wearing a pin anywhere. At work, no pins either. Good lord, why does America hate America?
          • StarlessKnight, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2Fascinating. *Nods* I still agree with his initial sentiment, though: "I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest" because it had become "a substitute for ... true patriotism" during the run-up to the Iraq war. It's possible he meant he wouldn't ever wear a pin, in which case he would just not the America Flag pin when it's seen as a substitute for real patriotism. Possible, but I'll concede that might be a matter of apologetics, unless someone has another source concerning this matter?

            I still refuse to accept this issue as "relevant" however. The pin is not important. Grill him over the conflict of his statements, fine, but to continue pushing "Where's your lapel pin" is idiotic and distracting from much more important issues; unless--UNLESS--you have evidence to suggest that Obama is, in fact, not running with America's best interest at heart. Only in that case would his not wearing a lapel pin be of any relevance at all.
          • p0s3r, on 04/19/2008, -4/+1If it's such a non-issue, why did BHO go out of his way to take a stand on it? Why did he feel compelled to brag about his "strong stance" against the false patriotism of flag pins? It's only a non-issue now because this pander to the far-left crowd didn't play out like he had hoped it would. Had he kept his mouth shut, no one would care if he wears one or not. People started caring when he said he's the real patriot by purposefully not wearing one.
          • jaxcs, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1What a ridiculous self serving comment. You pin crazy freaks would never have let him be silent. If he had remained silent, you would have hounded him for his silence. you don't even paraphrase him correctly. But that's on purpose isn't it. The name of the current game is to tarnish his image as much as possible. He's raised too much money and has too strong an aura of sincerity and regime change for reps to be comfortable. so the object is to show as strongly as possible that he is a politician like any other. you catch him, if you want to call it that, since all we are only provided is a sound bite, on these petty matters.
        • Arcan, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1So, did everyone just learn the word "elite?" Is that why you're so eager to say it? I do not think it means what you think it means.
          • Lone1, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1somebody always misses the sarcasm...
            :)
    • RJGONZO, on 04/19/2008, -5/+1So, just to clarify, asking a political candidate about a relationship with a known (and unrepentant) terrorist with whom he made appearances and speeches at some point in the past, that's off the table? Seems like a perfectly logical question to me. I agree, the flag pin is just grasping at straws, but Hannity's question actually has merit. I applaud Stephanopoulos for having the balls to ask a legitimate question amidst the jackassery.
      • Dumbledorito, on 04/19/2008, -0/+3Ah, good ol' guilt by association. Just FYI: Bush has hung out with more terrorists, strong men, and dictators than Cobra Commander, and has familial/financial ties to a ton of them. But that doesn't matter because he's a "decider in th' wur on terra" or whatever.
      • jaxcs, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1If you actually have something to say, then nothing is off the table. If Obama's personal automobile had a bumper sticker on it that read "I hate America" then that would have to be asked but this guilt by association and fishing expedition is a waste of energy.
  • brokenspatula, on 04/19/2008, -16/+3OMG, THE DEBATE SUCKED, IT'S A CONSPIRACY
    • Burrito, on 04/19/2008, -0/+7Why are retards so attracted to the Caps Lock key?
  • Thumper13, on 04/19/2008, -3/+44Jesus, she won't vote for someone that doesn't wear flair?
    A freaking lapel pin? This is a topic in the United States Presidential campaign?
    A LAPEL PIN?
    It's embarrassing.
    • BrainInAJar, on 04/19/2008, -0/+11When most media came through print, a person's ideas were most important. The substance of what they had to say was the only way they could wow their audience.

      Now, it's all looks and oratory. TV has made us all idiots, and it's not the content of the dumb shows, it's the medium itself
      • wageslaven, on 04/19/2008, -1/+2Amusing Ourselves to Death - Neil Postman

        http://www.amazon.com/Amusing-Ourselves-Death-Disc ...
      • DamnMan, on 04/19/2008, -4/+1That's actually a pretty retarded assertion. WATCHING people talk makes us stupid? that's your point? Resent research (posted here on digg i believe) has shown men in particular(women too but to a lesser extent in the research groups) use the visual centers of the brain when reading. So cognitively, reruns of Married with Children and Walt Whitman's writing are processed in much the same way by the brain. How then can you say that the medium itself is responsible for dumbing us down?

        I'm not contesting TV is an idiot box. But your statement that TV itself is to blame regardless of what is being shown? Smacks of elitism if you ask me.
        • Arcan, on 04/19/2008, -1/+4Oh god, "elite" again. In regards to your argument, the Buggles proved you wrong long ago. Everyone knows that video killed the radio star.
        • DamnMan, on 04/19/2008, -1/+2To be fair, I did not see the others use of "elite" until your comment made me go back. None the less the point stands. How shameful of me for not saying "Gobama!" at the end of my post lest the bury brigade goes to town. If i wasn't disillusioned by American politics long ago rest assured you angry diggers i would vote for Obama.
        • BrainInAJar, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2No, you misunderstand. Simply hearing/watching people speak isn't the problem,

          The problem is that the non-language cues are absent in print. The way someone dresses, the way he looks, how passionate his voice sounds when he delivers the speech, etc... whether he's wearing a flag pin... all these things are irrelevant, but you can only notice them in TV, not print
    • JesusHatesYou, on 04/19/2008, -3/+2It's the white person's politically correct excuse for why they will never vote for a black man.
    • averagejoesgym, on 04/19/2008, -0/+0It reminds me of Office Space with the flair. Hilarious.
    • jerbaker, on 04/19/2008, -0/+3It is NOT a coincidence that the GOP wants to abolish the Department of Education altogether (read their Contract with America from 1994). An ignorant, uninformed, irrational populace is the cornerstone of the GOP's success. The GOP is not "mean" when they want to cut education, they want less informed voters. They're not "mean" when they cut social welfare programs for the elderly, they want those voters to die sooner. They're not "mean" when they want to put Social Security funds into the hands of Wall Street bankers, they want their banker friends to get rich and retirees to be poor so they have to work at Wal-Mart. They know exactly what they're doing. They have an extremely comprehensive and organized plan to get to where they want to go.
  • pedo, on 04/19/2008, -1/+21so ABC knew this woman was obsessed with Obama's flag pin and actively sought her out so that they could pretend it was the average voter who wanted to ask the question when really it was ABC that wanted to ask the question. i hope someone in the MSM exposes this. i'm not going to hold my breath though.
  • Search153, on 04/19/2008, -4/+12Nash McCabe stars as "Nash McCabe" in: Nash McCabe!
    • alenox, on 04/19/2008, -0/+7fridays on ABC
    • averagejoesgym, on 04/19/2008, -1/+1Nash McCabe stars in "The Case Against Women's Right to Vote"...lol Sorry ladies, I don't really mean that but Nash is nuts.
  • C4PT41NM4RV3L, on 04/19/2008, -5/+2So, a large media company decides to take a biased approach at a political debate. What a shocker. Oh, and I'm sure if FOX gets wind of this that they'll bring up the issue of this anti-Obama plant. *looks out his window* Say, is that a pig flying by?
    • bjornski, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2If you've been paying attention to Fox news, they've already gone on record saying they think it's awesome.
  • ghostoftomjoad, on 04/19/2008, -13/+3I'm a obama supporter but this is the stupidest article
    a: she was not the only outside questioner
    b: even though the question was idiotic, why does it matter who she supports? she can still ask questions
    • darwinwins, on 04/19/2008, -0/+5It matters because the debate as its understood by everyone including my 8 year old niece is that the playing field is even and that the moderators are exactly what their title implies - moderate - as in not partisan or biased for one party. But in retrospect, I don't know why we were so naive to think that a former Clinton aide could ever be perceived as being neutral. ***** me silly for being stupid.
    • lolbotomy, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2It shows that ABC went out of their way to find a known Obama hater. It shows they WANTED to ask Obama a question from the point of view of someone who hates him. They should have had someone ask a question about what each of their strategies would be to solve a certain problem our country has.
  • cmedley, on 04/19/2008, -1/+10"I keep looking for that lapel pin."
    • stretch611, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1Actually the lapel flag flap was brought up on Lou Dobbs the other day. The funny thing is that the video being shown actually had Obama wearing a flag lapel. One of the commentators pointed it out and said he did it because a veteran gave it to him earlier in the day.
      Obama has said in the past that he does not have any problem with wearing one, but he does not believe it is really a sign of a person's patriotism. At least he is willing to do it to satisfy the wish of a veteran.
  • heynow21, on 04/19/2008, -1/+18Wearing the flag as a lapel pin and pressuring people to do so drags it down to the level of a swastika or hammer and sickle. It's not a symbol of party loyalty it's a banner to be flown and admired.
    • wageslaven, on 04/19/2008, -2/+7Exactly. If you live outside the USA, and you read this, its precisely what you think. When you see film of American TV, *EVERYTHING* is draped in the flag.

      Its fcuking scary.
    • bjornski, on 04/19/2008, -0/+9Not to the right-wingers.

      Wearing a Chinese made piece of flair is more important that what the flag actually stands for.

      With the types of scandalous douche-nozzles that wrap themselves in the flag every time someone tries to investigate their actions, the flag itself has lost a lot of the meaning it once had.

      ANYONE can go out to buy a ***** $4 piece of flair. It doesn't mean you actually support what it stands for.
      • hittnrun, on 04/19/2008, -5/+1I fly a flag in front of my house because I don't want passersby to mistake me for a democrat. Come and take it!!!!
        • bjornski, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1So flying a flag is a Republican thing now?

          Again, an empty show of patriotism. Your neighbors must be proud of you.
          • hittnrun, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1Since you democRATS hate America, YES, flag flying is now done only by Republicans. If a democRAT claims to fly a flag, it's because they don't realize they should have switched parties in 1999.

            I wear a flag lapel pin to. It pisses off the rat population.

            God BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • JesusHatesYou, on 04/19/2008, -1/+3"Who doesn't want to wear the [AIDS] ribbon?" - gay Puerto Rican from Seinfeld :)
    • nosecohn, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2The thing is, if this stupid pressure tactic works, not only will both candidates in the general election be wearing lapel pins of the flag, they'll be wearing the pins of every organization they visit. Hillary will have an AFL-CIO flag pin, McCain will have a "support the troops" flag pin, and so on. Within a couple of election cycles, our candidates will be decked out like race cars.
  • evilrobotted, on 04/19/2008, -2/+7on the bright side, i'm glad ABC is getting some flack for the joke they aired this week. it's nice that the press - the stupid, steamrolling monster it can be - can get called out like this.
    • jbenson2, on 04/19/2008, -3/+1ABC is eating this up and laughing all the way to the bank. They had record numbers of viewers for the debate. I guess that is why the O-man is so upset. He did not want record numbers of people to see his deplorable attempt at answering the questions. And now his bumbling, hemming and hawing answers are begin played over and over again on YouTube. Way to go ABC.
  • nastronomical, on 04/19/2008, -15/+4Lets be real here Obamatics...if the same questions were asked of anyone else you would be ok. So cut the hypocrisy out. Its funny how insane you people act. Why are you afraid of the man who might be president getting asked easy,tough or lame questions? After all this is the man who wants to be President and the people have the right to know....unless you really dont "care" about the people and only about your own liberal ideology....the stench of hypocrisy hang over you people like hippes who do not bathe.
    • StarlessKnight, on 04/19/2008, -0/+3The People have a right to know... they have a right to know how a candidate will pursue Healthcare, how they will handle Iraq, how they will balance the budget, how they will stimulate the economy, how they will reduce the price of gas, how they will support or not support gay marriage, how they will support or not support abortion, how they will support or not support stem cell research, what they will do for wounded veterans, what they will do for the poor, the starving, the sick, the infirm, the subjugated, the masses yearning to be free. They have a right to know that and so much more... and we waste our time yearning to know where his damn lapel pin is. Is that the country you want? Is that the media you desire? Where's your lapel pin, Obama? We don't care about anything else until you wear your lapel pin. How patriotic.
      • p0s3r, on 04/19/2008, -4/+3And, luckily, for "The People", they found out the answer to every one of those questions in the last 22 debates.
        Obama on Healthcare - The government will take it over and provide everyone the same *****, low quality service that they have in the UK.
        Obama on Iraq - As President, I will cut & run the earliest chance I get.
        Obama on Balanced Budget - Now is not the time for a balanced budget.
        Obama on the Economy - I will raise payroll, capital gains, and corporate taxes, thereby crushing the economy.
        Obama on the Price of Gas - I will raise gas taxes and taxes on oil companies. My advisors tell me that will reduce gas prices.
        Obama on Gay Marriage - Pass.
        Obama on Abortion - Babies are punishments.

        What else would you like to know?
  • PapaZit, on 04/19/2008, -6/+4Stupid question, but how is that not a normal citizen? If you asked a question and are pro-Obama or anyone for that matter, does it make a difference? The problem is that question was ever broadcasted. There is so much more to be concerned about. Real issues, not crap about Lapel Pins, or being tough on terrorism. All the questions, whether about Bosnia or Pastors don't matter. Lets look at their positions, their voting history, and the real concerns of Americans. The two parties aren't the only solutions, and they surely haven't been very good to the average American in the past 30-40 years. Obama wants to expand the military and put more focus on Afghanistan. Remember that.
  • jackattack51, on 04/19/2008, -6/+3I hate to bring this up, but doesn't this seem sort of as a double standard?

    Quoted from the article: "Remember, there was also Tom Rooney from Pittsburgh who said he'd been a Clinton supporter up until the Bosnia flap and asked what she could say to get back his vote. In that case, this was at least someone who'd been a Clinton supporter at one point and suggested he could be again."

    Who's to say that McNabe wasn't a Obama supporter before she found out he hates lapel pins? Would the asinine question be ok then?

    If anyone does reply please don't turn this into an argument over lapel pins, it's not what this comment is about. I do think McNabe is incredibly stupid for placing the least bit of significance on them. I do not support hilary (however I have no real reason to hate her) and am just trying to look at this fairly and truthfully it just seems like it's not.
    • orangedude, on 04/19/2008, -0/+4McClatch did a little more digging into her history.

      "But to understand why Obama rubs McCabe wrong is to go beyond the question of what a flag pin has to do with patriotism — it's not really about the flag pin, she said in a telephone interview Thursday — and consider McCabe's life."
      http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/34071.html

      McNabe was never an Obama supporter. She was being intentionally deceptive, pretending that the lapel pin was an issue to her, when in fact she's one of those 50+ white voters who will be eternally Clinton's. Although I sympathize with the hard times she has faced, rather than voting for exactly the candidate that is working for people like her (Obama), she instead makes judgments based on hate, since she perceives Obama as being different from her. Obama's life mirrors McCabe's far more so than $109 M Hillary's ever will. She is EXACTLY the type of "bitter" voter that Obama was speaking about.
  • hypodan, on 04/19/2008, -2/+6Out of all the reasons to vote for anyone into office I think this is the most ridiculous. She is just looking for reasons to find fault with this clearly great candidate.
    • tricks574, on 04/19/2008, -0/+0I don't want to not vote for him for any of those reasons. I just think he's way to liberal and isn't nearly as clean as everyone thinks he is. The Flag-pin stuff is ***** though. The Rev. Wright thing has to be an issue in the primary because it deals with his electibility, and it does hurt that. I also think it is a minor issue with his character, if and only if he had never said anything about the messages to his pastor and the congregation that resembled the speech he already gave on race, which was an excellent speech.
    • JesusHatesYou, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2She was saying she couldn't vote for someone who didn't wear a flag pin but she was thinking "I can't vote for a *****".
  • usgovterrorists, on 04/19/2008, -14/+2Who cares if you vote for Obama, Hillary, or McCain?
    It's three neocons that want war on Iraq, Iran,...
    Then again, what do unsecure voting machines & ballots mean?

    United States Government are terrorists, war criminals, and horrific liars.

    9-11 was an inside job! 9-11 official story was a lie! What happened to building 7?

    Depleted uranium is a weapon of mass destruction!

    Play Wall Street like a PONZI SCHEME!

    The elections are rigged, unsecure voting machines & ballots!
  • birdmanrush, on 04/19/2008, -10/+2It is funny how all you people who have a problem with Hilary doing this to Obama were alright with the Clintons doing the exact same stuff to republicans in the 90's. Hypocrisy. The democrats chickens are coming home to roost.
    • StarlessKnight, on 04/19/2008, -0/+4I wasn't old enough to vote back then. *Shrug* Just sayin'.
  • BishopAzrael, on 04/19/2008, -1/+19I'm all for Obama getting questions, hard or easy, but for this lady to be fixated by whether or not he wears a lapel pin?

    Jesus ***** christ. This is what's wrong with our country.

    See thing is... She said herself she's not questioning his patriotism. So if she's not questioning that... WHAT THE ***** IS SHE ASKING ABOUT IT FOR?
    • littlequeenie, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1Scary isn't it? Sometimes I fear this country isn't worth saving! Then I go watch an Obama speech and feel we have to at least try.
      But really, WAS ANYONE INCLUDING THAT MORON WEARING A FLAG PIN?? Why is it a problem with Obama?
      I gave up flag pins when we invaded Iraq. I thought I'd wear one again but somehow Bush got re-elected.
  • zadie, on 04/19/2008, -1/+4What a farce that debate was. The main stream media really does believe that people are passive and ignorant, and that we will just accept the dreck that they push on us. I'm really getting sick of this.
  • chrissku, on 04/19/2008, -2/+3Oh God...a "known critic." Don't let the secret police find out.

    I'm an Obama fan.....come on.
  • dualboy24, on 04/19/2008, -1/+2Stupid questions are mainly what the MSM push out for the people to hear over and over again, no need to wonder why there are so many dim people like Nash McCabe, she is just a product of the media influence. I just hope that this internet thing picks up and gets more of the population, because I seriously doubt many people use it for their news and research, I mean porn is just so much more tempting.
  • p0s3r, on 04/19/2008, -4/+6Chris Matthews has a well known man-crush on Obama. I guess you guys should get all faux-outraged at the sham GOP debate he 'moderated', right?

    Where any of those questions the other night worse than:
    “Daniel Dekovnick [sp phonetic] from Walnut Creek, California wants to know, 'What do you dislike most about America?'" Romney responded: “Gosh, I love America. I'm afraid I'm going to be at a loss for words...”
    or loaded liberal questions such as:
    to Tom Tancredo: “Will you work to protect women's rights, as in fair wages and reproductive choice?”
    or implied guilt by association questions like:
    "Is Karl Rove your friend,"
    or what about this awesome question for a GOP debate:
    "Would it be good for America to have Bill Clinton back living in the White House?”

    Lets go diggers, get your faux outrage up! Boycot MSNBC and NBC!
    • obeythefist, on 04/19/2008, -2/+3Are you talking about the YouTube debate or one that was planned, written, and moderated by a news organization? This debate, which i think you probably missed, was presented as a moderated exercise in electoral politics meant to inform the public through an objective, journalistic understanding of the issues and how they affect society as a whole.

      Because yeah, that snowman thing on the YouTube debate was stupid.
  • minox, on 04/19/2008, -8/+5While I must confess to not having watching the debate, there is a startling trend to blame any Obama blunder on anyone else except the candidate himself. I challenge any one of his supporters to admit to one weakness of his. And it can't be "Sometimes he cares too much" or "He works too hard."
    • tricks574, on 04/19/2008, -1/+2The silence speaks volumes.
    • orangedude, on 04/19/2008, -2/+2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Koq6-UlLvo
      Watch and judge for yourself, before you make blanket statements on others who HAVE watched the debate.

      Do you mind starting by showing me exactly where he "blundered"? His only major blunder that I can recall throughout the primaries is phrasing the whole "bitter" statement poorly even if it was a true statement, which allowed the Clinton and Repubs to latch on and spin it into a completely different message.

      Of course his supporters can admit faults with Obama, every single one of them will be able to. For one, he is not the messiah (it's actually his critics that actually think his supporters feel this way about him), because he is a human being like everyone else and should be held to the same standards as everyone else. Even he makes mistakes, for example, about his name on the survey for gun restriction. Another one of his flaws is that he sometimes stumbles a bit during his speeches while he's thinking about his next words, while Clinton seems to have everything carefully planned in her head while she speaks.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exsmFDYyK4U
      However, this is a far cry from what I've seen from Hillary. Again, watch for yourself a video composed of her OWN public statements. I cannot possibly support a candidate that shows such ease in misleading and lying to the public. Honestly, watch the whole video and think about it critically and do some research about the statements brought up in it, instead of simply treating it as another "attack video". Perhaps, you could also partake in your own challenge and find out a bit more of the truth about Hillary Clinton.
      • StruckOff, on 04/19/2008, -0/+0I think the major problem was when he had to tell the county he hadn't done his homework. 'I guess I didn't read the briefs, um, er...' That stopped working for me around the 10th grade, but for a potential President, hey let's just ass-u-me he knows what he's doing even if he can't prove it...
    • orangedude, on 04/19/2008, -1/+1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Koq6-UlLvo
      Watch and judge for yourself, before you make blanket statements on others who HAVE watched the debate.

      Do you mind starting by showing me exactly where he "blundered"? His only major blunder that I can recall throughout the primaries is phrasing the whole "bitter" statement poorly even if it was a true statement, which allowed the Clinton and Repubs to latch on and spin it into a completely different message.

      Of course his supporters can admit faults with Obama, every single one of them will be able to. For one, he is not the messiah (it's actually his critics that actually think his supporters feel this way about him), because he is a human being like everyone else and should be held to the same standards as everyone else. Even he makes mistakes, for example, about his name on the survey for gun restriction. Another one of his flaws is that he sometimes stumbles a bit during his speeches while he's thinking about his next words, while Clinton seems to have everything carefully planned in her head while she speaks.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exsmFDYyK4U
      However, this is a far cry from what I've seen from Hillary. Again, watch for yourself a video composed of her OWN public statements. I cannot possibly support a candidate that shows such ease in misleading and lying to the public. Honestly, watch the whole video and think about it critically and do some research about the statements brought up in it, instead of simply treating it as another "attack video". Perhaps, you could also partake in your own challenge and find out a bit more of the truth about Hillary Clinton.
    • tehjarvis, on 04/19/2008, -1/+1I think he cares too hard.
    • jaxcs, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1I'll answer your question with a question. To how many things have Bush admitted responsibilty and fault? I think he handled the wright issue well.
  • obeythefist, on 04/19/2008, -1/+3I wish I could believe ABC allowed this woman a voice because they wanted to give Obama's "bitter" statement a little breathing room. She votes her religious values because she's stopped believing that her economic issues will ever matter. She votes for lapel pins because her husband's disability doesn't resonate so well with ABC's viewers.

    But it's very clear they're simply milking the discontent of the working class to empower the profitable discontent of the commercial media class.
    • StruckOff, on 04/19/2008, -0/+0your comment makes no sense...obeythefist.
  • petrodollar, on 04/19/2008, -2/+7How about local issues pertaining to Pennsylvania? How about the Colombian free trade deal? How about the Petraeus hearing?

    DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE FLAG?
    • tricks574, on 04/19/2008, -0/+0Colombian free trade = good. their goods are essentially coming in free anyways, by going into a free trade agreement w/ them we will then not be taxed on our goods going in and it will increase sales of American made products in Colombia.

      TL;DR Free trade isn't bad.
  • Caeili, on 04/19/2008, -8/+3Obama is a Living God!
    Man....I really wish the Living God would let me lick his boots the way you clowns seen to want to.
  • faskippy, on 04/19/2008, -3/+3Aw, it wasn't a total loss. We did get to see the "great speaker" fumble, and we learned more about the tax increases they want to implement.
  • tricks574, on 04/19/2008, -2/+3I wonder, if the tables were turned, and it was Hillary being asked a dumb question, if it would make diggs front page........Just a thought.
    • Revlution4ever, on 04/19/2008, -1/+1no, it wouldn't, cuz we don't care about that bitch.
  • jayemorris, on 04/19/2008, -4/+1This is just proof that ABC agenda was to conduct a "High-tech lynching/"
  • Stavrosian, on 04/19/2008, -1/+9Obama should just get the stars and bars tattooed on his ass, and moon the next retard who asks him about the lapel pin.
    • MJDub, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1Haha that has Dave Chappelle written all over it.
  • alpine75, on 04/19/2008, -1/+3Interesting that this would get outrage. Where was the Digg outrage with all the incredibly stupid Chris Matthews questions he leveled during the Republican debate he moderated?
  • fefu, on 04/19/2008, -2/+2Blah!
  • optikshell, on 04/19/2008, -6/+1This needs to spread. Picture taken in Louisiana, sign nailed to a tree reads:
    "NO ANTI-CATHOLIC LYING, ANTI-GUN MUSLIM FLAG HATER HILLARY AND OBAMA
    VOTE MCCAIN"

    No blog. Just the picture.
    http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Vote_McCain_Yes_ ...

    Digg me down if you want, I don't care. The point of posting this is not to gain anything, only to get this picture and information out there. We need to stop this bigotry and misinformation.
    • noonjab, on 04/19/2008, -1/+2Who gives a flying ***** about some ignorant words nailed up on a tree? You should quit posting this in multiple threads like it's anything that matters.
    • p0s3r, on 04/19/2008, -3/+2I agree with the sign-maker. 100%.
      I don't know why you're so butt hurt by it. The only possible mistake is that it looks like he's saying Hillary's the muslim.
  • patch6, on 04/19/2008, -3/+2His policies (especially the recent "Global Poverty Act", which reaffirms the US' supposed agreement with the goals listed in the UN's "Millennium Declaration", including weapons disarmament) are heavily globalist (not the fluffy, "let's all get along" kind, but the "let's support global hegemony and enslave ourselves" kind), as are at least two of his advisors (Penny Pritzker and Zbigniew Brzezinski, CFR members), and these are far bigger threats to national sovereignty than a politician's reluctance to wear a flag pin or sing the national anthem.

    As far as he's concerned, if singing the national anthem wrapped in nothing but a flag is enough to fool constituents into supporting him (and thinking that he is patriotic), when his actual policies betray an opposite intent, that's all par for the course in the politics game.

    Heck, he did manage to fool supporters into thinking he's the "anti-war" candidate (while courting the notorious warmonger Zbigniew on the side), so he can perhaps fool most of the people most of the time.

    The problem is that arguing against him is seen as veiled support for the "other" candidates, when they're just as bad. The US constituency is screwed this election cycle, but it was by consent, so perhaps it is deserved. Unless it can be proven that much of the consent was manufactured. MSM superiority and all that.
    • jaxcs, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1"His" policy was supported by unanimous vote so that means reps and dems. Here is the CBO estimate on cost http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/90xx/doc9082/s2433.pdf The bill as it stands doesn't commit us to anything except to take a serious look into matters. The rest is fear mongering. The reason you're getting so upset is that you get your info from right wing sources, don't trust MSM and wouldn't log onto a lib site if your life depended on it.
      • patch6, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1S. 2433: Global Poverty Act of 2007 (Sponsored by Obama, introduced Dec.7 2007): http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill= ...

        The reference to goal commitment: "(10) At the United Nations World Summit in September 2005, the United States joined more than 180 other governments in reiterating their commitment to achieve the United Nations Millennium Development Goals by 2015."

        That refers to all the goals listed within the Millennium Declaration, including disarmament, as clarified by the definition in Section 5(4) of that act: "MILLENNIUM DEVELOPMENT GOALS- The term `Millennium Development Goals' means the goals set out in the United Nations Millennium Declaration, General Assembly Resolution 55/2 (2000)."

        The Millennium Declaration: http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration/ares552e. ...

        An area of concern: Section II. Peace and Disarmament, Article 9: "We resolve therefore: • To ensure the implementation, by States Parties, of treaties in areas such as arms control and disarmament and of international humanitarian law and human rights law, and call upon all States to consider signing and ratifying the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court."

        Which, if enforced, would render the US subservient to the ICC, and mandate disarmament.

        As for the monetary cost of fulfilling the Millennium Developmental Goals, the "Monterrey Consensus" urges developed countries to spend 0.7% of their annual GNP towards "official developmental assistance", which, if implemented, would cost over $850 billion more by 2015, on top of what is already being paid (likely acquired through "innovative sources of finance", as was mentioned by the consensus).

        Monterrey Consensus document: http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/documents/Monterrey_ ...

        The 0.7% target: An in-depth look: http://www.unmillenniumproject.org/press/07.htm

        And lastly, for those who support the collectivist agenda, Article 29(3) of the UN's "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" is incompatible with any notion of basic rights, such as those enumerated by the US constitution, with its claim that those freedoms listed "may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations." It attempts to convert all rights into privileges bestowed upon the public by the Security Council, and protects those in control through Chapter 2, Article 2(7) of their listed purposes and principles, which refers to Chapter VII, that contains the vague language granting them arbitrary power.

        The political costs of supporting the Millennium Declaration (and continuing to support the UN) would be much heavier than the monetary ones, even though they would run in the billions.

        A restoration of the kinds of anti-statist, conservative policies (minus slavery) that lead to the US becoming the world's industrial leader during the late 19th and early 20th centuries is preferable to today's trend of ever-increasing bureaucratic parasitism under the guise of benevolence, which eats away at the productive class that keeps the entire structure together.
        • jaxcs, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1I looked at each of your links and although I did not read every word, I did read any parts that you highlighted. And it still bogs down to me the same. It's fear mongering. These are agreements, not legal contracts. There is a difference in the two since one describes penalties for failure to abide by the contract, the other does not. When Canada withdrew from the Kyoto protocols, it was not censured; it was simply no longer part of the agreement. The .07 percent is a goal in international giving. It a suggested contribution amount linked to the GNP of a country in a given year. A country can earn more one year and less the next. It is not a gun to the head.

          I was puzzled by the big contrast in numbers between the conservative publications and the CBO until your own link made it clear that the Millennium declaration was already approved and signed by the US. The US had simply failed to do anything about it. This, despite the fact that Bush and Rice had agreed to provide relief to states such as found in Africa with aid. What this bill therefore does is to ask Bush to live up to his words and agreements and that does not itself cost significant amounts of money. Said in another way, abiding by the Millennium declaration was already pre approved. You are being lied to.

          The simple truth is that you don't like the very concept of the UN. No where is this clearer than in your reference to the UN as supporting a "collectivist agenda" and your disparagement of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. People who support the UN may be idealists, but they are not collectivist anymore than you are a singularist. It plain sounds wrong. The idea isn't to reach for the lowest common denominator; it's to have human beings raise the whole of humanity. Your opposition to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is truly puzzling. It suggests that all people of all nations have a right to be free of slavery, have a right to be free of arbitrary arrest, detention or exile, have a right to own property among many other rights. I almost thought I was reading the US Bill of Rights. I don’t understand the language of the bill stating “These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.”. I can only surmise that no organization can tolerate traitors in it’s own ranks. I was surprised by the language, but this declaration is now over 60 years old. In all this time, UN hegemony has not stripped the US of their rights. The UN in its youth could not strip the US of its sovereignty. What hope does it have to do so now? Why continue to be fearful of a declaration that is almost certain to be older than yourself?
  • 420ilerBuzzed, on 04/19/2008, -0/+0What a Catch U Next Tuesday...
  • Sirlolalot, on 04/19/2008, -0/+6What sort of question is "Do you believe in the flag" anyway, i mean its not even a fully formed question, does she mean does Obama believe in what the flag represents/symbolises? Or is it some new form of cult "Oh great flag, creator of worlds tell us what to do oh mighty & flaggy one, All hail the flag!"
    Time the media stopped their BS, people are just as sick of it as they are the lying politicians.
  • amida, on 04/19/2008, -0/+6"I watch him on TV," Mrs. McCabe said. "I keep looking for that lapel pin."
    OK, this is really from The Onion, right?
  • yosserhughes, on 04/19/2008, -1/+0Why is anyone surprised at the antics of the media? They want MaCain to run against Hilary, simple as that.

    If she is the nominee they will dredge up everything, everything they've got on her, and they have a lot.

    Obama is not just fighting Hilary, he's fighting the whole Right Wing establishment.

    Good luck to him I say, he's going to need it.
  • Rhendal, on 04/19/2008, -1/+1I just got this awesome picture in my head of Mike Judge as the Chatchki's manager lecturing Obama on the minimum requirement of flair he needs to wear.
  • mfc5200, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1I don't really like Obama all that much ( or any of the candidates now) but I respect him for not jumping on the bandwagon and wearing those stupid pins. I think of North Korea when I see flag pins

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4669488158 ...

    They all f'ing wear them. They wore them at this concert, when the New York Philharmonic went there, and every other event I've seen with North Koreans. Patriotism for the sake of being patriotic is a scary thing.
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