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- alapoet, on 06/10/2008, -34/+575Please, America... Don't vote for McCain and five more years of this.
- fr3nch13, on 06/11/2008, -18/+68Presidential terms are only four years.
- faatbuddha, on 06/11/2008, -6/+54And if he were to be elected and the war were to continue, it would not end abruptly when he left office.
- jzuska, on 06/11/2008, -35/+6OWNEDSAUCE
- pintomp3, on 06/11/2008, -2/+42that is pre 9/11 thinking.
ps. i think he was referring to rest of bush term + mccain term- GeneralFault, on 06/11/2008, -0/+21Or to the fact that it has already gone on for 5 years.
- i4ybrid, on 06/11/2008, -5/+2Bush has like 5 months left in office
- wedges, on 06/11/2008, -2/+18he wouldn't leave office until Jan/Feb of 2013
- rkbabang, on 06/11/2008, -32/+13As if Obama is going to end it. We're screwed either way. Don't vote it only encourages them.
- nullx42, on 06/11/2008, -10/+6like voting actually makes a god damn difference. I when to Electoral Collage and took Insignificance 101
- relic180, on 06/11/2008, -2/+9And obviously flunked out. Vote or shoot yourself, please.
- Nezacant, on 06/11/2008, -0/+14You forgot to take Grammar 101.
- ghostoftomjoad, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2@rkbaband
I never thought I'd say this but I think your wrong this time. I used to think that I would never vote in an election, knowing that none of the candidates represented my beliefs at all, seeing the major parties as basically the same, and not wanting to add legitimacy to a corrupt administration.
From what I've seen of Obama and what he's actually DONE and not just SAID (especially the latest, forcing the DRC refusal to accept money from any special interest or lobby group), I really believe Obama when he says he ll get us out and that he will change things.
Plz, Obama, don't break my heart - SpartanErik, on 06/12/2008, -1/+2You can draw many parallels between what LBJ and Obama are saying. Hopefully he can deliver on promises; if they're empty like LBJ, there will be rioting like it's 1964.
- relic180, on 06/11/2008, -1/+8I wonder, have you heard that there are others to vote for besides Obama and McCain?
Seriously, there's totally some other people you can vote for who actually WON'T do ***** like this. I know it's crazy, but you should check it out.
In all seriousness though, not voting at all does just as much damage as voting for a major party candidate. There are ways to use your vote against what is currently ***** up in the system. - coolremo, on 06/11/2008, -1/+6Can you elaborate about how Obama is just as bad? (I'm not being sarcastic, I'm uninformed. So far from what I've seen, Obama seems better than McCain. Though I prefer Ron Paul).
- ciaran036, on 06/11/2008, -0/+7He made a threat against Iran at a pro-Israel conference. He called them a "grave threat" with an "illicit nuclear program" and said that the threat must be "eliminated". He is a liar. Because the IAEA and CIA have already confirmed that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program. And the comment about wiping Israel off the map was a misquote, by an individual representative of the country.
- applemachome, on 06/11/2008, -0/+6How is he going to afford his health care plan, what is his health care plan, what are his iraq plans (definite plans, not bring troops home with no timetable), etc.
- ghostoftomjoad, on 06/11/2008, -3/+1@ciaran
You butchered that speech because I watched it (this is the one at AIPAC, correct?) He was merely assuring them that he would not allow them to gain a nuclear weapon, he never said that he had any plans at doing anything for no reason. His policy is very clear--he wants conversations with him. He needs to paint himself as a strong ally of Isreal before McCain makes him seem like an "appeaser". Remember that Florida is an essential for winning the presidency--i am also no fan of Israel's and no enemy of Iran but the president has a duty to his constituency, even if those people disagree with you.
Also, while it is true the CIA had confirmed that there is no nuclear WEAPONS program, it is well know that Iran is enriching uranium for reactors. If they perfect the technology the same enriched uranium could be used for a bomb, and while I agree there is no evidence that they will do such a thing, I don't think its a good idea to not watch the situation. - Willtheway, on 06/11/2008, -0/+0Enriched uranium for a nuclear reactor is far different than weapons grade. It could take many many years for them to that.
Vote Chuck Baldwin '08
(anything is possible)
- rpfan2008, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1No Obama will start Iran/Pakistan Wars, lets hope they will be cheaper.
- nullx42, on 06/11/2008, -10/+6like voting actually makes a god damn difference. I when to Electoral Collage and took Insignificance 101
- Noureddin, on 06/11/2008, -9/+49McCain is a psychopath.
- paradexes, on 06/11/2008, -2/+12chump change.../sarcasm I agree with alapoet on this. We don't need 4 more years of this crap.
That said rkbabang makes a point even if he does not intend to. We all see Barack Obama as a hero, I am keeping cautious optimism here until he has been able to act on his campaign promises. Bush in large part made many promises non of which he ever fulfilled. His dad was the same, Clinton was the same. I am hoping that real change is here. But I think everyone should think and not act out of impulse here. But in this case Obama is a better choice than McCain.- davewashere, on 06/11/2008, -1/+7Even if Obama isn't always direct in saying so, he is the "pull our troops out of Iraq and decrease our war spending" candidate. If he fails to do this, he'll be out of the White House after 1 term. The scarier thing is that if McCain wins, he hasn't been pigeonholed by these promises. He'll basically win on the promise that "things are going good and I'm going to continue with that." America can't take another 4 years of delusional thinking.
- relic180, on 06/11/2008, -3/+3Sure, he'll be out after thousands more soldiers and who knows how many more civilians are dead, and our country has spent another 500billion on this these cash cows we call war. Then he'll be replaced by another democrat or republican spouting off ***** about how they're "the NEW candidate for change, no REALLY!" The party cheerleaders we call the majority vote will put them in office and we'll get another 4 years of 'down the toilet' progress, wasting lives and money and global standing.
Stop voting for corporate whores, you mother *****.
- relic180, on 06/11/2008, -3/+3Sure, he'll be out after thousands more soldiers and who knows how many more civilians are dead, and our country has spent another 500billion on this these cash cows we call war. Then he'll be replaced by another democrat or republican spouting off ***** about how they're "the NEW candidate for change, no REALLY!" The party cheerleaders we call the majority vote will put them in office and we'll get another 4 years of 'down the toilet' progress, wasting lives and money and global standing.
- relic180, on 06/11/2008, -2/+5We definitely don't ALL see Barack as a hero. I know McCain lackies see a weak, black man. I personally see another corporate whore in sheeps clothing.
And those campaign promises you're waiting to see acted upon, unless they generate massive profits for somebody, you can pretty much kiss them goodbye.
Major party candidates lie their ***** asses off to get elected. Period. - 1033, on 06/11/2008, -5/+0The only thing they dont lie about is raising taxes... Theres a bush +
- faithfreedom, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2Why, Ron Paul, Why????
- ghostoftomjoad, on 06/11/2008, -4/+1Omg STFU about Ron Paul. The libertarian movement is reactionary, not progressive. Have you even looked at what they believe? or are you just willing to vote for anyone that will legalize drugs so you can stay stupid?
- davewashere, on 06/11/2008, -1/+7Even if Obama isn't always direct in saying so, he is the "pull our troops out of Iraq and decrease our war spending" candidate. If he fails to do this, he'll be out of the White House after 1 term. The scarier thing is that if McCain wins, he hasn't been pigeonholed by these promises. He'll basically win on the promise that "things are going good and I'm going to continue with that." America can't take another 4 years of delusional thinking.
- Shellbait, on 06/11/2008, -3/+24As a republican, I do agree with this comment.
- JasonCox, on 06/11/2008, -9/+3US Presidential Term == 4 years;
- Mallhew, on 06/11/2008, -2/+21Or 100 years, as it were...
- drakke1, on 06/11/2008, -12/+7Sadly, both candidates are owned by the NWO, and the "winner" has already been picked. If you want "change" you'd best be thinking about how to rid the planet of the psychopaths who own and control it.
- ciaran036, on 06/11/2008, -4/+2I made my prediction at the start of the year. I said that it would probably be Hillary but if not it would be Obama. Not a bad prediction, considering I said it at the start of this year.
- slipfish, on 06/11/2008, -1/+6In twenty years, I will die. If not, I will be alive.
- ciaran036, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1There are other Presidential candidates, you know. Back then even Giuliani thought he had the chance.
- slipfish, on 06/11/2008, -1/+6In twenty years, I will die. If not, I will be alive.
- ciaran036, on 06/11/2008, -4/+2I made my prediction at the start of the year. I said that it would probably be Hillary but if not it would be Obama. Not a bad prediction, considering I said it at the start of this year.
- cowsgonemadd3, on 06/11/2008, -9/+4We still have troops overseas from wars 40 years ago...No president is going to pull them all out.
- xpobro130, on 06/11/2008, -7/+1Keep your money, I want change!
- indiansfred, on 06/11/2008, -12/+2Nothing like supporting the enemy. Do you think all the terrorists in Iraq are just going to give up? Surely you Obama supporters can be *that* stupid...
- sauronsmatrix, on 06/11/2008, -13/+2Clinton 2008
woooooooooooooooooooooooooo- Endoftheworld, on 06/11/2008, -1/+3Wow that is the dumbest comment so far.
- imownin, on 06/11/2008, -10/+4You are completely uninformed. Before you open your mouth know what your talking about. The war can't end just like that. it's going to take at least 6-10 years to end this.
- falkonv7l, on 06/11/2008, -1/+4Can someone list the similarities of McCain and Bush, besides they are both Republicans.
- joeyjj, on 06/11/2008, -1/+7- They both agree that invading Iraq was the right choice
- McCain wants to maintain the Bush tax cuts / his economic plan parallels Bush's.
- They both want to privatize social security.
- Neither of them has a coherent health-care plan / strategy for dealing with inflating healthcare costs.
- They both want to continue the patriot act / domestic spying
- They both support the use of torture ("harsh interrogation techniques")
- They both recently opposed a proposed GI bill that would guarantee troops who have served three or more years since 9/11 a free education at the best public university in their state.
- They both have said they want to overturn Roe vs. Wade
The only substantial differences between the two that I'm aware of are McCain's initial opposition to the management or the Iraq war (not to the philosophy of preemptive invasion or necessity of the war, though) and recognition of global warming / Climate change. He also opposed Bush's tax cuts a few years ago, but has since reversed his position on that.
But this is just a quick, and probably biased, overview. If you want legitimate information you should do your own research, not ask for lists on dig. - joeyjj, on 06/11/2008, -0/+5And, of course, they both (rhetorically, at least) oppose dealing with Iran diplomatically / speaking to our enemies.
- rkbabang, on 06/12/2008, -1/+5I can list the similarities between Bush, McCain, Obama, and Clinton.
No matter which one gets into the Whitehouse:
* We will still be in Iraq (and maybe Iran too) in 4 years.
* Government will be much bigger in 4 years.
* The government will continue to make a mess of our healthcare industry (as its been doing).
* The dollar will be worth much less in 4 years.
* The will be no major "change" (hate to break this to you) it will be much the same regardless of who wins.
* We will still be taxed and regulated to death.
* Congress will still spend like drunken sailors and will not be opposed by the president.
* Someone who is completely against either the free market or individual civil rights will be nominated to the Supreme Court (maybe more than one).
.........
This list is endless. We will be poorer and less free than we are now. Much of the world will still hate us (and rightly so). There isn't a dimes worth of difference between the lot of them (and dimes are worth less and less everyday).
- joeyjj, on 06/11/2008, -1/+7- They both agree that invading Iraq was the right choice
- crackbabeh, on 06/11/2008, -2/+9OBAMA.
- rkbabang, on 06/12/2008, -1/+1will change nothing
- Guzzy, on 06/11/2008, -9/+1Or Obama and Hillary..
- winnestow, on 06/11/2008, -8/+2$543,236,299,938 would have been saved by today if clinton hadn't vetoed legislation approved by congress in '94 to drill for oil in ANWR.
- thevoiceless, on 06/11/2008, -1/+8It's a national wildlife reserve for a reason...
- winnestow, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3and you're paying $4 a gallon for no reason....
picture a football field. picture a postage stamp. anwr is the football field. the oil rigs are the postage stamp. put the postage stamp on the football field. like i said, no reason...
- winnestow, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3and you're paying $4 a gallon for no reason....
- thevoiceless, on 06/11/2008, -1/+8It's a national wildlife reserve for a reason...
- GreenZeal, on 06/11/2008, -3/+1five?
- votedforbush2x, on 06/11/2008, -7/+0
- KMartSheriff, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1You still seem to have some of Bush's jizz on your chin from all that cocksucking.
- brad3378, on 06/12/2008, -1/+5I'm VERY surprised this war doesn't cost more than Obama's $845 Billion Global poverty act.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=obam ...
........this is yet another reason why our 2 party system is bankrupting our country. Why not spend money on ourselves HERE?
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ - RagnarD2, on 06/12/2008, -1/+4Ron Paul is the only trustworthy candidate in the running. I wish America would wake the **** up. Obama will not change anything that matters.
- mostfynest, on 06/12/2008, -0/+0Please Americans, do yourselves and the rest of the world a favour and spread the good word.... INVESTIGATE, IMPEACH, ARREST, CONVICT AND EXECUTE, Bush and his cronnies. Tell 10 People and get them to tell 10 more, diggers have the power to change public opinion (being special and all!) DO IT! It has to be done! His crimes well surpass treason, EXECUTE EXECUTE EXECUTE!!! Spread the word! This is how revolutions start.
Thank You on behalf of the world.
- fr3nch13, on 06/11/2008, -18/+68Presidential terms are only four years.
- sodade, on 06/10/2008, -7/+183What's that slapping my ass? Oh, it's just the MIC ***** america again. 60 years of plundering >50% of our taxes and not accomplishing one ***** thing that actually benefits the american people.
- kelmaster1, on 06/11/2008, -4/+8Actually, our taxes pay for far less than that. In fact, we don't even need taxes to pay for the war! Inflation will cover the bill.
- homanh, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4Inflation is a tax
if your $100 is worth $90 next year and the government printst more money to bring into circulation counteracting inflation: thats just a $10 tax on you right there!- ExitMoose, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1I like your sentiment, but printing more money doesn't counteract inflation; it contributes to it. They'd have to take money out of circulation to counteract inflation.
Either way, you're right about inflation being a kind of tax on money.
- ExitMoose, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1I like your sentiment, but printing more money doesn't counteract inflation; it contributes to it. They'd have to take money out of circulation to counteract inflation.
- homanh, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4Inflation is a tax
- drakke1, on 06/11/2008, -4/+8Correct. And undoubdetdly most of it went to the bush crime family, its friends and subsidiaries, and other NWO psychopaths. Isn't it time to clean house?
- onthecake, on 06/11/2008, -2/+3Yeah... and McCain and Obama are as innocent as 1 day old kittens.
- ronaldst, on 06/11/2008, -2/+5But but but big government fixed health care. Why can't they fix the oil crisis? /sarcasm
Continue voting for demagogues and charlatans, people! - Grummond, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4This thread needs moar acronyms.
(TTNMA)- sodade, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1MIC FUD FUBARs the USA.
- Wilsomatic, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1WTF?
- sodade, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1I should have linked the Bill Hicks bit I got the ass slapping thing from...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVzFzgHu0T0 - megamod, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1It looks like it's going to reach an asymptote...can someone calculate the day that curve will reach infinity so I can end my misery?
- mostfynest, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Please Americans, do yourselves and the rest of the world a favour and spread the good word.... INVESTIGATE, IMPEACH, ARREST, CONVICT AND EXECUTE, Bush and his cronnies. Tell 10 People and get them to tell 10 more, diggers have the power to change public opinion (being special and all!) DO IT! It has to be done! His crimes well surpass treason, EXECUTE EXECUTE EXECUTE!!! Spread the word! This is how revolutions start.
Thank You on behalf of the world.
- kelmaster1, on 06/11/2008, -4/+8Actually, our taxes pay for far less than that. In fact, we don't even need taxes to pay for the war! Inflation will cover the bill.
- itzdiceman, on 06/11/2008, -26/+254My portion: (543236299998/300000000) = $1810.
As a 24 year old graduate and a solid middle-classer in the 25% bracket, I've already had $3843 taken out in Federal Withholding alone this year. Thats not counting Medicare, SS, or State taxes.
Thats less than 1 quarter of 1 year's worth of taxes, to pay for a 5 year war.
Money isn't the issue. Lives lost is the real cost.- 1aaaa, on 06/11/2008, -1/+56money isn't THE issue but it is a pretty big one. After all, while your portion may be only a part of the taxes you pay, the government was already spending more than it was taking in. This is spending money we don't have and won't have for years and years.
- pinkdigg, on 06/11/2008, -1/+11***** war is making us all go broke that's all I know.
- swrostmore, on 06/11/2008, -1/+59From the alternate perspective that taxes are actually supposed to be used for something, instead of vanishing into thin air, the fact that 1/4th of middle class America's taxes are being burned up in Iraq is in fact an issue.
- itzdiceman, on 06/11/2008, -26/+3Honestly, I'd rather see my 2 grand go towards removing a dictator that would kill me if he had the chance than see it go to welfare abusers and people who use food stamps to buy chips and soda for their 4 years olds.
Stop hating freedom.- kaniz, on 06/11/2008, -1/+20Yeah, because all these things being passed like increased surveillance, power for wire tapping/monitoring communications, ability to search laptops & electronic devices at borders, and increasingly having your freedoms and rights to privacy chipped away at sure is 'freedom'.
- pintomp3, on 06/11/2008, -1/+15then how do you feel about your money going towards funding and arming that same dictator in the past? saddam wasn't just any douchebag, he used to be our douchebag. besides, iraq was never a threat to our freedom.
- swrostmore, on 06/11/2008, -1/+16Why would Saddam want to kill you? You're such a loyal nationalist lackey that he'd probably promote you to a high-level position in his Propaganda Ministry or something.
- chicofaraby, on 06/11/2008, -2/+16"a dictator that would kill me if he had the chance"
Ego much? - michrech, on 06/11/2008, -1/+8As a few others mentioned, Sadam was put in place by the US.
If we'd stop meddling around in the affairs of countries that *don't ask for our help*, we'd be much better off, methinks.
All this "get them before they get us" attitude has gotten us is further in the hole.
Wasn't one of "god's" commandments "Love thy neighbor"? With all the self-professed "Christians" running this country, well, I expected better.
And people in my community wonder why I absolutely *loath* organized religion... - thedarkwolf, on 06/11/2008, -1/+3... "love my neighbor" is not a commandment from god. Jesus said to love thy neighbor long after the original 10 commandments.
Its still supposed to be a big part of the Christian way of life, which is why it is sad when some Christians can't live up to that.
Still, "loathing" organized religion for that reason seams rather short sighted and prejudiced. I'm not religious, but I respect people who are. - innocentsinner, on 06/12/2008, -1/+1Still, half of the ten commandments could be summarized as "Don't ***** with your neighbor"
- itzdiceman, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1If you read the above post, you will see that I was 6 when the Gulf War started. How could I really give any response to the US putting Sadam in power. Given the killer arguments you've presented I'm gonna say you are all younger than I am.
As for the killing me if he could remark. You who deny it are crazy PC liberals. How can anyone pretend you wouldn't be killed on sight in the former Iraq? Who am I? I'm free speaking, I'm white, I'm a non-binding atheist, I'm drinking a beer, I'm watching the Mets, I'm a fornicator, I'm AMERICAN. I'm pretty ***** average. They tortured their soccer team for playing poorly, what argument could you possibly present that I would get treated better than that?
KOS.
- kaniz, on 06/11/2008, -1/+20Yeah, because all these things being passed like increased surveillance, power for wire tapping/monitoring communications, ability to search laptops & electronic devices at borders, and increasingly having your freedoms and rights to privacy chipped away at sure is 'freedom'.
- itzdiceman, on 06/11/2008, -26/+3Honestly, I'd rather see my 2 grand go towards removing a dictator that would kill me if he had the chance than see it go to welfare abusers and people who use food stamps to buy chips and soda for their 4 years olds.
- Shagmire, on 06/11/2008, -14/+9actually its: 1 803.93304 per person. Our pop is 301,139,947 (July 2007 est.)
not like I'm counting.......- Tomchei, on 06/11/2008, -0/+23You gotta only count taxpayers. Those under 18 and illegals don't count.
- JCizle, on 06/11/2008, -0/+13Or people that just straight up don't pay their taxes...
- cbd37, on 06/11/2008, -0/+11Like the richest 5%
- pinkdigg, on 06/11/2008, -5/+0Some illegal immigrants DO pay taxes
- gandhii, on 06/11/2008, -2/+3yes.. the richest 5% are most likely "illegals"
- Tomchei, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2pinkdigg,
The only taxes illegals pay are local and state via point of purchase.
You have to have a traceable SSN number to pay federal taxes that these funds come from.
And if you had a fake SSN number, why would one pay the IRS? - pinkdigg, on 06/12/2008, -0/+0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Taxpayer_I ...
Read that small article, they can pay federal taxes and even get a tax return.
- Tomchei, on 06/11/2008, -0/+23You gotta only count taxpayers. Those under 18 and illegals don't count.
- UltraMegaFilms, on 06/11/2008, -3/+11It is also an appropriate way to put the failing war into context. Not only have 100,000's upon 100,000's of people lost their lives and their is new redeeming token in sight, but it's costing us our left nut, at a time when we don't need to be wasting money. Also, that's money gone while we speculate to what degree the rest of the world will allow us to return as a financial powerhouse. Believe it or not, there are plenty of good people in America, and they wont suffer any less than the assholes. But itzdiceman, you are right, people in this country should be SCREAMING about loss of human life and dignity.
- MxM111, on 06/11/2008, -1/+13Another scary thing - the expenses grow exponentially as per shown graph.
- directrix13, on 06/11/2008, -1/+42This is approximately 6% of our total national debt (not deficit mind you). People who are downplaying the cost of this war are idiots.
- danfive555, on 06/11/2008, -0/+9Plus the money is borrowed at interest, by the time the govt pays it off (if ever) it can be 10-100X as much.
- kfxrcer, on 06/11/2008, -3/+47i didn't realize every citizen of the U.S. payed taxes, perhaps you should readjust your calculation to a more accurate representation of the taxable population.
- enki25, on 06/11/2008, -1/+11This is just the money that has already been spent. We are locked into commitments that will end up costing over 2 trillion. If you take into account the fact that roughly 30% of US citizens do not contribute tax revenue, it actually brings your portion of this obligation to about $10k. But that's really a drop in the bucket compared to the opportunity costs of what we could have done in the years after 9/11 to enhance global security and protect our economic interests.
- tehstone, on 06/11/2008, -0/+6and that's if we don't even give the vets proper treatment and benefits...
- dinostabOMG, on 06/11/2008, -2/+14You're counting the whole population, not just taxpayers. I agree that lives are the greater issue, but you wouldn't rather have your $1810 back?
- blindeyeseesall, on 06/11/2008, -2/+8Not like I'm counting either but every man, woman, and child in the U.S. are not paying taxes so that figure is off.
Also don't forget interest. Remember the U.S. could not have paid for this war without having to borrow from foreign countries. The bill for the war has yet to come. - myranttoyou, on 06/11/2008, -1/+17The REAL issue was we were LIED TO about the reasons for war.
- myranttoyou, on 06/11/2008, -2/+11Also, that number is much worse per person as people have mentioned above.
1. The war is on borrowed money, so we pay other countries in interest.
2. Not everyone pays taxes or much i.e. super rich and super poor.
3. The money does not go straight from your account to directly buy bullets, tanks, etc. etc. Collecting revenue costs money. It has to be processed and accounted for.
4. The costs will not go away after we "win". Medical, troop support and the eventual bases in the area will cost money. Better plan on paying that $1810 every year.
That's why the US is broke now, from stupid mistakes like this in the past (financial and military)- danfive555, on 06/11/2008, -0/+6Plus defense contractors and foreign govts will use some of that money to lobby US govt--likely against your personal interests. Your money can be used against you.
- slightlygifted, on 06/11/2008, -1/+1rich people dont pay taxes????
"in 2005, the top 1 percent paid 39.4 percent of all federal individual income taxes"
the top 1% have a 23% income tax rate. bottom 50% has a 3% income tax rate.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html- swrostmore, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2Thats ironic - in 2003 the top 1 percent owned 38% of all wealth in the United States.
- myranttoyou, on 06/16/2008, -0/+1Here you go, very recent/latest numbers.
The mega rich get off easy, and it's increasing
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5058692
Do you honestly think being rich won't help you avoid paying taxes? You must be completely naive or stupid.
- diggydougie, on 06/11/2008, -5/+3Compare lives lost in this war to any of the "real" wars like WW1, WW2, civil. even Vietnam or Korea. This war is a walk in the park by comparison. The Chinese lost 10x more in their earthquake than we have in our war. More die in highway deaths each day than in Iraq. Don't get me wrong, we should pull out. But we shouldn't make excuses like the financial or life costs to justify leaving. Just leave.
- danfive555, on 06/11/2008, -1/+6Aren't there about a million dead Iraqis. They don't count?
- slightlygifted, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2"citation needed"
- blitz718, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3Just because we havent lost a lot of lives, does not mean they are being lost for a poor cause, not to mention there are more people in the world than just americans.
- danfive555, on 06/11/2008, -1/+6Aren't there about a million dead Iraqis. They don't count?
- ciaran036, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3*****! Think what that could have bought you!
What a waste... - homestarjay, on 06/11/2008, -0/+9Another way you can look at it is $18561 spent on each Iraqi citizen (543236299998/29,267,000)
- ysss, on 06/11/2008, -1/+5Ouch, and according to that clock the $1810 is consumed in less than 2 seconds.
- clickmyface, on 06/11/2008, -0/+7I'd like to point out that this is a really absurd number to begin with because it does not reflect the amount of American tax dollars that have been spent on the war. This number is ONLY on DIRECT Iraq war funding as allocated under that title by the US congress.
The actual financial burden is unknown, but estimated to be at 3 trillion+ when you include things like Blackwater, healthcare costs, INTEREST, and overall increased military spending during time of war. - garrettgangrel, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1Just imagine what the war would have costed if we would have properly equipped our troops...
- tramblings, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1The real issue is the lives of the Iraqis and Americans. This site doesn't help their cause by floating the $120,000/ per person number around when it's really roughly $1800/person.
- lordenlil, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3Firstly, the money spent is not only actual money, but there is an opportunity cost as well. Meaning, were the government to spend half a trillion dollars it has many things to spend it on- free healthcare, free college tuition, better roads etc. Spending all of that money on a war, instead of building the infrastructure of our own country, is a big problem.
Secondly, while half a trillion is not actually *that* much when spread over 300,000,000 people, that is only the current cost of the war. There was a recent report that estimated the entire eventual cost of the war to be around 3 trillion dollars. That's a big number even when divided by 300,000,000. - Stuart750, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2Also, it's important to realize that not all 300,000,000 Americans can, should or do pay that kind of money:
- Senior Citizens
- Citizens under 18
- Citizens below the poverty line
- Illegal Immigrants - ldailey06, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2have you seen the national debt? yea, I think money matters.
- SpartanErik, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1For a war, 4,000 casualties is rather low. I mean honestly, how many people die on our highways each year? Or are murdered for that matter?
Lives are important, and I appreciate the risk that veterans are taking, but I just wanted to give a realistic comparison of what's going on- swrostmore, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2Casualties have been counted as killed + wounded in every war up until now. The Pentagon's number for the Iraq war is around 80,000, not counting suicides, not counting ptsd injuries. It is also morally dubious to only count American casualties, after all it is a "multinational" force in Iraq and not just the US. My guess is over 100,000 casualties for the US and allies, and 500,000-1,000,000 Iraqi casualties.
- BradMW, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Yeah, because you pay the same amount of taxes as someone with 100M in capital gains? Get real, people at the top are doing the heavy lifting here.
- 1aaaa, on 06/11/2008, -1/+56money isn't THE issue but it is a pretty big one. After all, while your portion may be only a part of the taxes you pay, the government was already spending more than it was taking in. This is spending money we don't have and won't have for years and years.
- NaziHatinChimp, on 06/11/2008, -23/+217That's a small price to pay for freedom guys. Aren't you more free now?
- dondara, on 06/11/2008, -12/+61HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ...wait, you aren't serious, right?
- MxM111, on 06/11/2008, -1/+29Do you really need to see [/sarcasm] to understand it?
- RonBurgundy76, on 06/11/2008, -4/+6Sometimes it's difficult to tell what people mean on digg. :P
- omgosh, on 06/11/2008, -2/+3Do you?
- betheturtle, on 06/11/2008, -2/+2What do you mean by that?
- KMartSheriff, on 06/12/2008, -1/+5Anyone who cannot see it's sarcasm is an idiot.
- MxM111, on 06/11/2008, -1/+29Do you really need to see [/sarcasm] to understand it?
- blueaura, on 06/11/2008, -3/+16Haha, yeah right. Good one.
- Quenlin, on 06/11/2008, -4/+11Come visit my family in Scotland. Take the plane.
- DroppedGT, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4I'll take a bus, I'm kind of broke after this war.
- gamefreak3128, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2Give me a few years to save my change so i can get a ticket.
- JamesMatt, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1dont forget to add on the fuel surcharge....a round trip in a couple of years i reckon it will be up to $450
- paradexes, on 06/11/2008, -1/+8Ben Franklin said it best. You got dugg for saying it the second best way. :P
- duk0r, on 06/11/2008, -2/+11Ohhhh, hahah I see what you did there.
- gmackenzie, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2That was one of the best comments I've read in a while. Thanks for the sanity check.
- jeffhansen, on 06/11/2008, -1/+6I thought freedom cost a buck-o-five?
- BiggestofMikes, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2More like twee-fiddy... damn lochness monster
- diggingaround, on 06/11/2008, -7/+3I think you are confused... we are paying to be safe - not to be free ;))
- phufufoo, on 06/11/2008, -0/+0so do you feel safer now that we just killed 100000 Iraqis and Osama is still on the loose? I am pretty sure those Iraqis we killed have some vengeful family members. You should check your closet at night.
- gsadamb, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2Yes, Iraq was posing a grave threat to us. What, with their non-existent WMDs and whatnot. And the al-Qaeda in Iraq (that arrived only after the US invaded.)
Question: Do you think Iran is stronger or weaker now than when we invaded Iraq?
- GrandmasterB, on 06/11/2008, -7/+1I'm leaning towards retard...there isn't such a thing as "more free". You either are or you aren't FREE!
- EstT, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1u serious?
Damn, u r full of knowledge
- EstT, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1u serious?
- i4ybrid, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2Don't forget the price of lost loved ones!
- dondara, on 06/11/2008, -12/+61HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ...wait, you aren't serious, right?
- PCloadLetterWTF, on 06/11/2008, -3/+78Thats a lot of games of golf.....
- Carl306, on 06/11/2008, -7/+134Imagine that money being spent towards the benefit of us taxpayers, including, but not limited to, healthcare, education, transportation, alternative energies, etc...
One can only hope- Conwaysb0718, on 06/11/2008, -10/+35Imagine them not taxing us/borrowing to pay for that ***** in the first place.
- skinnyskittles, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1yeah imagine that, we could actually pay for our healthcare on our own
- InfiniteNothing, on 06/11/2008, -11/+4Oh yes, freeways have been a horrible burden.
- samcarlos, on 06/11/2008, -8/+3you would think 8 years of bush would make you less likely to trust government. but somehow you want to give government the power to tell us what to do....rational?
GEORGE WILL FOR PRESIDENT - snuffop, on 06/11/2008, -6/+2Imagine the stimulus if we could keep our earned money and buy products that would create jobs that would stimulate more economic growth. HMMMMM.....!
- siszam, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2Yeah, let those pesky sick people die. Let the elderly live on the street. That's the American way, right?
- Rovian, on 06/11/2008, -1/+14For $500 billion dollars we could have bought everyone in the middle east a pony and a rainbow.
- Svizac, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1my fav comment this year
- Svizac, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1my fav comment this year
- poprocksandsoda, on 06/11/2008, -3/+1Um ... 6 times that is spent in the federal budget every year. Would you feel 1/6th happier had we just turned our backs to the world?
- isaactwito, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3Alright, ***** America. ***** America. Is there any doubt that we could end world hunger, provide education for just about anyone who needed it, and relieve the medical crises around the world for that price? ***** every single person who supports this war. They can just flat out go kill themselves.
- Elwood19k20, on 06/12/2008, -1/+1Imagine if they saved that money for the time when a real threat comes along. The government should have no involvent in research, healthcare, education, etc. But it should also not use taxpayer money for unconstitutional wars against nations that pose little to no threat to our national security. To do so only lowers our national security instead of increasing it. Yes the Iraq war was unconstitutional. Congress did not declare war, instead they unconstitutionally gave the president power to declare war himself. Iraq broke some UN resolutions, but that was not anything that affected our national security. It only affected the pride of the UN and the nations that support the UN.
- Carl306, on 06/12/2008, -1/+1*Happened to be online right when you posted this*
"The government should have no involvent in research, healthcare, education, etc. "
Here's where you lose me. The government should most definitly have an involvement in all of these fields. What do you feel the government is there for in the first place? Personally I see it as being in place to better society and make sure there is a constant level of improvement throughout the community. Their direct involvement through tax funding in research, healthcare, and education, given their budget, would have an ENORMOUS impact.
- Carl306, on 06/12/2008, -1/+1*Happened to be online right when you posted this*
- mrwoo, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Don't hope, Vote!
- Conwaysb0718, on 06/11/2008, -10/+35Imagine them not taxing us/borrowing to pay for that ***** in the first place.
- jphillips1, on 06/11/2008, -4/+46What if that boat load of money had been used to educate our youth, to improve a dilapidated infrastructure, or emergency management response, or alternative energy development, or for efforts to save the environment, or to help cure cancer, or MS, or to help the poor and starving of our country, or to prevent crime, or drug dependency, or hell, just given back to the taxpayer. What if...
- paradexes, on 06/11/2008, -15/+2Wow cure us of MS? I would love to be cured of Windows and all the crappy software associated with it (I use Linux so I have been cured). Their software sucks balls. Oh wait...yea you are right about everything else.
- jphillips1, on 06/11/2008, -0/+10Multiple sclerosis. I sir, deem you not funny.
- directrix13, on 06/11/2008, -0/+20Or what if it was used to actually pay back part of that almost 10 trillion dollars we owe now.
- thedarkwolf, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2Just curious. why MS. Why not AIDS or something. Not saying I don't want to cure MS, just wondering why you picked it as an example.
- jphillips1, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1It was just what popped into my mind first...
- kinseyincanada, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1AIDS is soooo 90s
- poprocksandsoda, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1Considering that 6 times that is spent every year in the federal budget perhaps you could be 1/6th closer to your goal. Or if you divide it over the length of the war, 1/36th better each year over the past 6 years.
- paradexes, on 06/11/2008, -15/+2Wow cure us of MS? I would love to be cured of Windows and all the crappy software associated with it (I use Linux so I have been cured). Their software sucks balls. Oh wait...yea you are right about everything else.
- idc5, on 06/11/2008, -3/+35It's already at $543,519,416,495 only 18.5 hours after you posted this
- kingcesar, on 06/11/2008, -5/+13Well no *****, it's just going to keep getting higher.
- paradexes, on 06/11/2008, -8/+2Dude the number is so high I could not even track the change.....to high to comprehend....but it would be nice to have that much in the bank.....well in pennies anyway.
- potamkin, on 06/11/2008, -11/+1I dont think the clock is going up accurately. Surely it doesnt cost 250 million dollars every 18 hours. I'm calling this BS
- theaceoffire, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4It is though. Scary, no?
- potamkin, on 06/11/2008, -0/+0If it is, then yes. Very Scary. I'm not in a position to say they're true or false, its just that it seems like its increasing at a ridiculous rate. But maybe you're right
- theaceoffire, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1$5000 per second according to New York Times...
So $18 million per hour, so $324 million per every 18 hours...
In other words, its actually MORE than $250 million every 18 hours...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/23/opinion/23kristo ...
- theaceoffire, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4It is though. Scary, no?
- slug007, on 06/11/2008, -16/+109Commander-in-Chief = former oil executive = middle east = war = billions of tax payers dollars = $4.00 + a gallon.
- faatbuddha, on 06/11/2008, -3/+23largest oil reserves in history + perceived shortage - any trace of supply and demand = $4/g
makes sense to me!- Hockey13, on 06/11/2008, -2/+11It's really annoying how every Digg user who buys gasoline has suddenly become an expert on the nuances of "supply and demand." When you say "any trace of supply and demand," it sounds absolutely insane to me. There is more to economics than just saying these two words, and just because that's what you've heard some people say doesn't mean economists as a whole talk like this.
Anyone who has passed economics 101 will understand the concept of the price elasticity of demand. This essentially states that if prices rise and the quantity consumed doesn't fall as much (in percentage terms), the demand curve is inelastic. If gas goes up to $5/gallon, will you stop driving to work? Will you stop driving to your mother's house to visit her? We are "addicted" to oil, and because of that, we're all paying a price for the HUGE advantages oil gives us in living our ordinary lives. The only way to end this addiction is for the market (read: some rich guy who wants to make money) to come up with some solution to the problem that replaces oil. This is ALREADY HAPPENING thanks to the high prices of oil, and those rich guys (e.g. Elon Musk).
As to why the price has gone up in the first place, there are many, many factors involved. Part of it is the excessive printing of US Dollars, part of it is the fear of future supply shortages and future demand increases. There is an entire field of study out there called the economics of depletable resources. Here is a nice primer on the subject:
http://www.stanford.edu/%7Ejsweeney/paper/SWEENEY% ...
It essentially says that these types of things (i.e., fear of future supply shortages and increased demand) cause the price of a depletable resource to rise over time as it approaches its depletion date. There MAY be a temporary speculation bubble (though it's nobody's right to decide what the "right" price is for something), but if there is, let it burst. The market forces that would work to bring the price of oil back to its sustainable (and rising) level are much, MUCH more efficient in every imaginable way than anything the government can do to mess this up more than they already have. Also, the longer gas prices are high, the more money gets poured into the alternative energy from PRIVATE SOURCES who want to stop spending so much at the pump.- faatbuddha, on 06/11/2008, -0/+6I got a D in econ101.
And yes, I've stopped driving to work, and I've stopped visiting relatives.
Death to oil. - danfive555, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1 "There MAY be a temporary speculation bubble (though it's nobody's right to decide what the "right" price is for something)"
Reminds me of "Only god knows the fair price." - Neo829, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3@Hockey13: I don't know why you're getting buried, as the information you're posting here is common sense. Dugg.
- faatbuddha, on 06/11/2008, -0/+6I got a D in econ101.
- Hockey13, on 06/11/2008, -2/+11It's really annoying how every Digg user who buys gasoline has suddenly become an expert on the nuances of "supply and demand." When you say "any trace of supply and demand," it sounds absolutely insane to me. There is more to economics than just saying these two words, and just because that's what you've heard some people say doesn't mean economists as a whole talk like this.
- GorfTron, on 06/11/2008, -1/+35= MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
- Noureddin, on 06/11/2008, -17/+2Why is everyone blaming bush. He's a puppet. He just takes the blame... When he doesn't do anything BUT take blame.
- o0joshua0o, on 06/11/2008, -0/+12Better question: Who in their right mind would try to defend Bush? If you don't despise him for his role in this, take your pick of a multitude of other offenses he's committed since being in office.
- paradexes, on 06/11/2008, -0/+10He is supposed to be a LEADER not a follower. Instead he spouts off nonsense about him being the "decider" and crap. That makes him A: a royal tool B: not a leader if he is being played behind the scenes. C: someone with interests of his buddies not the American public in mind.
- m0tbaillie, on 06/11/2008, -4/+1I agree with you, but DEAR GOD PLEASE STOP DOING MATH you're failing.
- arplayer2k, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2Its already $5 in Hollywood and $40 in Anacrime. Need I say more? Its bound to hit $5.50 in Hollywood this summer and $5 in Orange County.
- GrandmasterB, on 06/11/2008, -1/+7Let's not forget before Bush took over office we had the National Debt paid off and oil was a whopping $20 per barrel. Hmmm...there's no conspiracy there. We must be imagining the hypocrisy.
- ,,|,_, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3He was no oil executive... His daddy gave him some of his grandaddy's money to start a ***** little oil company in a ***** west Texas town named Midland. He ran that into the ground. His daddy gave him some more of his grandaddy's money to buy a ***** baseball team that he also ran into the ground.
Who's really surprised he ran the country into the ground? - poprocksandsoda, on 06/11/2008, -1/+1Conspiracy theories = grassy knoll = pro pot legislation lover = Average Digg Reader
- manacit2, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1I guess I'm not average.. I don't believe in SOME Conspiracys, I dont do drugs, and I don't believe in that grassy knoll *****
- faatbuddha, on 06/11/2008, -3/+23largest oil reserves in history + perceived shortage - any trace of supply and demand = $4/g
- Conwaysb0718, on 06/11/2008, -4/+54Just think of how stimulated the economy would have been...
- Shagmire, on 06/11/2008, -0/+10or:
activate, animate, arouse, brace, elate, encourage, energize, enliven, excite, exhilarate, foster, galvanize, goad, impel, incite, innervate, inspire, instigate, invigorate, jog, motivate, move, pep up, prod, provoke, quicken, rouse, spark, spur, sting, stir, thrill, trigger, urge, whet -
the economy - ahawks, on 06/11/2008, -3/+5Im just playing devil's advocate here, I'm against the war. But..
Doesn't this stimulate the economy? Where did that $543 billion go?
Soldier's income
Weapons manufacturing & delivery
??? I don't know what else
I'm just asking an honest question: how much of that money remained in our economy?- Nenb, on 06/11/2008, -0/+8This would require the defense industry being permanent and therefore the war have to be permanent, also, for this to stimulate the industry the s´war would have to net some kind of income, such as securing monetary assets.
- linagee, on 06/11/2008, -1/+11Every time a million dollar missle gets launched, a million dollars of "US money" are being burned up into thin air. We might as well just give it to them directly. There's a lot of "consumables" during a war.
- digid, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2I am not trying to justify the war here but a million dollar missile is not made out of pure gold and then vaporized. Each and every missile bought and used put a paycheck in thousands of US workers pockets. Which is what ahawks is talking about.
Whether the collateral damage of using a bomb has a good return on investment? I'm not here to argue that. Of course when lives are lost its pretty hard to see any good return on investment.
- digid, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2I am not trying to justify the war here but a million dollar missile is not made out of pure gold and then vaporized. Each and every missile bought and used put a paycheck in thousands of US workers pockets. Which is what ahawks is talking about.
- userperson, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4Also the how much shopping is done for the best deal? Government prices are way higher, such actions destroy wealth.
People could've used that money to invest in cures for diseases or other advancements which make lives better; and possibly netting a profit for themselves, or start business which could have done such: win-win and cumulative good effects.
Instead they've purchased over-priced bombs, which have destroyed crap that they've had to rebuild.
Also costs which haven't been(?) accounted for:
Amidst killing people and making them dislike us which will possibly cost more later, and as well as make things more difficult in the short term. Then soldiers get disabled and maimed. that's lost income/productivity, not to mention the cost of caring for them. lose-win; or vice-versa, cumulative bad effects
This obviously doesn't consider costs that can never be accounted for: lost lives, lost limbs/disability, emotional distress, violence inflicted upon innocent civilians. two-fold on both sides of the conflict.
... and way more stuff that people way smarter people can cite...
Though I applaud your skepticism and curiosity. - laserdog, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3A lot of that is the logistical costs of getting things in and out of Iraq, or for keeping the aircraft carriers and other support craft running.
I mean every seriously injured soldier eventually gets airlifted for care to Germany.
That's a whole lot of jet fuel getting pissed away.
As far as "soldier wages" I wouldn't count that quite yet, especially since a lot of the "weekend warrior" reserves had real jobs back here that probably paid better. The disruptions to those workplaces isn't trivial. - fooljoe, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1does the economy look stimulated to you?
- Nenb, on 06/11/2008, -0/+8This would require the defense industry being permanent and therefore the war have to be permanent, also, for this to stimulate the industry the s´war would have to net some kind of income, such as securing monetary assets.
- poprocksandsoda, on 06/11/2008, -0/+11/36th more stimulated over the past 6 years. Do you honestly feel 1/36th less stimulated?
- Shagmire, on 06/11/2008, -0/+10or:
- AltairMetamorf, on 06/11/2008, -7/+24Spitzer is gonna be pissed. Imagine all the hookers.
- userperson, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2Iraqi refugees have to flee to neighboring countries, some in desperation have resorted to prostitution to survive. Perhaps the economic effects could reach Eliot?
Also inflation due to war activity probably increase hookers rates at home, that's no fun.
Though maybe perhaps the additional pressure of war expenses increases the governments mismanagement of the money supply, thus throwing more people into financially desperate times, then this will increase the supply of hookers, and possibly lower the price in excess of inflation? Though he used/uses the fancy hookers, so again difficult to know if such effects will reach him.
Generally I'd imagine and obvious logic would suggest it's a net bad thing, and man oh man that 5 bil. could've purchased some fun times. - DavidGX, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2Imagine all the boiled water that could have bought for dehydrated babies...
- userperson, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2Iraqi refugees have to flee to neighboring countries, some in desperation have resorted to prostitution to survive. Perhaps the economic effects could reach Eliot?
- jcmanalingus, on 06/11/2008, -32/+0
- laserblazer, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2It was like watching a car wreck.
- inigomntoya, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1More like watching a schizophrenic fist fight. You want to intercede, but you are somewhat curious about who is going to win!
- laserblazer, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2It was like watching a car wreck.
- anchorman, on 06/11/2008, -5/+223Let's not forget, we have spent hundreds and hundreds of dollars rebuilding New Orleans.
- suckanucka, on 06/11/2008, -0/+19Nice.
- jzuska, on 06/11/2008, -0/+21I gave 10 bucks.
- cawpin, on 06/11/2008, -3/+22The parts of New Orleans that were destroyed should NOT be rebuilt. They are below the flood plane. It will happen again.
- isaactwito, on 06/12/2008, -0/+6But there was a really good coffee house there!
- directrix13, on 06/11/2008, -11/+16I'm sorry. New Orleans did not deserve federal money. Rescue operations, sure. But why is it my problem to rebuild your badly planned city. I've never seen our ***** government offer to rebuild the houses of those lost in the many tornadoes in Oklahoma, or even fires. Just because it happened to a lot of people in one area doesn't mean they deserve the assistance.
- fac3less, on 06/11/2008, -0/+16Yeah, but the cost to rebuild Iraq -- we actually went in and destroyed it and now we're going to rebuild it?
*shakes head*- userperson, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3If rebuilding Iraq is stupid, it doesn't make rebuilding New Orleans smart.
- republicker, on 06/11/2008, -8/+4crack houses on stilts FTW
- userperson, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4It's harder to light a crackpipe when it's wet.
- AngryChris, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1Because it's the biggest ***** port in the United States for oil to come from South America *where most of our oil comes from*. It's also on the mouth of the *only major north/south river in the country*. Poorly planned? My ass.
- fac3less, on 06/11/2008, -0/+16Yeah, but the cost to rebuild Iraq -- we actually went in and destroyed it and now we're going to rebuild it?
- minorthreat, on 06/11/2008, -2/+6don't get me wrong, Im all about helping the people down there, but when you screw with mother nature, she will screw you back. Sure we can keep a city under sea level if we throw enough money at it, but there will come a time when the costs surely out weights the benefits. It may come this summer, it may come in 100 summers. I personally would rather help the people readjust elsewhere.
- userperson, on 06/11/2008, -1/+1Or if they want to stay... they nobody's stopping them, that doesn't mean building a flawed (underwater) city is the greatest idea.
- phufufoo, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2You guys who said New Orleans can't be rebuilt are way to pessimistic. Look at the netherlands. They have been below sea level for decades and haven't been wiped out yet. We even consulted with the Dutch to build levees and dams for new Orleans. They said it would cost around 12billion for an almost impenetrable defense. The plan was rejected, because their wasn't enough in the budget. Kind of silly if you ask me when the war spends over 15 billion a week.
- raysaagar, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2... we rebuilt New Orleans because it is in OUR COUNTRY.
And, it is a city hit with a natural disaster
Last time I checked, the American Army is NOT a natural disaster.
And we leveled Iraq to rebuild it...
- jzuska, on 06/11/2008, -40/+9Nobody cares anymore, we've moved on. Obama is getting in and he's gonna save us all..... yeah.... you wish.
- B08ama, on 06/11/2008, -4/+14Hey, at least the 6 least significant digits round up to a nice, catchy $299,998. I'll buy...
- drmangrum, on 06/11/2008, -2/+69What's half a trillion between friends?
- Disinterested, on 06/11/2008, -2/+1not a lot of people really like us (well technically they don't like bush)
- manacit2, on 06/12/2008, -1/+1What friends?
- h3lx, on 06/11/2008, -3/+12For such bad news, the cheerful delivery of the headline is a little misleading.
- wassim2k, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2Not so cheerful, these headlines usually have three or more exclamation points in them !!!!!!
- TheLogic, on 06/11/2008, -3/+200I want the shirt that says "I spent $550,000,000,000 to fight Iraq and all I got was a lousy cell phone video of Saddam being hanged".
- Wargalas, on 06/11/2008, -16/+4I don't know about you, but I'd say that's at LEAST worth a billion or so.
- chicofaraby, on 06/11/2008, -0/+22Then you pay for it. It's not worth a dime or single drop of blood to me.
- Wargalas, on 06/11/2008, -4/+1That's because you're a pussy who doesn't want to meet a threat head on.
- chicofaraby, on 06/11/2008, -1/+5There is no threat. There never was a threat. How ***** stupid can you be?
- Wargalas, on 06/11/2008, -5/+1Really? "never a threat" eh? How do you explain this?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/06/18/russia. ... - chicofaraby, on 06/11/2008, -1/+6It looks like the same ***** the Bush Administration has been peddling since 2000. Only a ***** idiot believes it at this point. You must be as dumb as a stump.
- Wargalas, on 06/12/2008, -7/+1You didn't even read the article did you? It's ok, I understand that showing that there WAS a threat and that we took care of it must be jarring to your liberal mind. Funny how you don't dispute the facts that I present to you and only offer up your opinion. Perhaps you should try reading up on a subject, and THEN forming your opinion. That's how intelligent people do it.
- chicofaraby, on 06/12/2008, -1/+3"You didn't even read the article did you?"
Yes, I did. It's a story from 2004 by CNN saying that Putin said that Iraq was definitely planning to attack something somewhere that had something to do with the USA. Buried several paragraphs deep, it also said "However, Putin said there was no evidence that Saddam's regime was involved in any terrorist attacks..." It then goes on to reiterate the Bush position for an additional dozen paragraphs.
It's a great example of the right wing media spreading FUD on behalf of the Bush administration. It's total *****. No one has forgotten that there were no WMD. Most of us AREN'T stupid. - Wargalas, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1It said he wasn't involved in any attacks. NOT that he wasn't planning any. Please do learn to read. It means that he hadn't been involved in any attacks UP TO THAT POINT.
- chicofaraby, on 06/11/2008, -0/+22Then you pay for it. It's not worth a dime or single drop of blood to me.
- Quenlin, on 06/11/2008, -10/+1www.zazzle.com
- noangelcame, on 06/11/2008, -1/+1correction,.. www.CafePress.com
- ethanfortes, on 06/12/2008, -1/+1Aww, I thought that was some sort of link to a decent video of Saddam.
- Noureddin, on 06/11/2008, -21/+1Hahahahahahaq... No... Not funny.
- InfiniteNothing, on 06/11/2008, -2/+22A. He was keeping al queda away
B. You'd think could do an assassination a little cheaper. - arusso, on 06/11/2008, -0/+9It's so horrible that it's pretty true... We really haven't seen anything come out of this "war on terror" have we?
I think I may have to go a little emo and make my own shirt that says that... - megamod, on 06/11/2008, -3/+2hanged? hung?...william hung?
- def1234, on 06/11/2008, -3/+2not very catchy.
- Wargalas, on 06/11/2008, -16/+4I don't know about you, but I'd say that's at LEAST worth a billion or so.
- leif777, on 06/11/2008, -4/+23How many in barrels of oil is that?
- Quenlin, on 06/11/2008, -4/+54,565,010,924.
- linagee, on 06/11/2008, -0/+21Zero. It's a trick question!
- isaactwito, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1well, not for cheney.
- userperson, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4Before the war or now?
- rodimusminor, on 06/11/2008, -8/+138$543,236,299,998 ? I could almost buy gas for a year with that.
- Purkake, on 06/11/2008, -11/+3So I take it that you are piloting a tanker? Parking must be a bitch.
- almightyzam, on 06/11/2008, -4/+4ALMOST, is the key word there
- muffinmonk, on 06/11/2008, -2/+2You know what'd be better? Don't use a car, and you'd be a multi-billionaire. Richer than the richest man in the world.
- DavidGX, on 06/12/2008, -2/+1You sir, yep.. you.
- Itazura, on 06/11/2008, -9/+41That much money wasted? I totally could of been flying around in a spaceship by now if we invested that into NASA! DAMN YOU BUSH!!!
- itspuddingtime, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2believe it or not Bush has actually increased funding to NASA by quite a bit during his administration, though some say it is still too little.
http://www.livescience.com/technology/080130-bush- ...
- itspuddingtime, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2believe it or not Bush has actually increased funding to NASA by quite a bit during his administration, though some say it is still too little.
- ligyron, on 06/11/2008, -2/+104A few seconds in Iraq pays for my tuition costs for the past 3 years
- diggingaround, on 06/11/2008, -0/+17Who cares about you getting educated... we don't need smart people here, we can import them from Russia, India, China...and they will work for a fraction of a peanuts comparing to you... what we need here is more cannon fodders for upcoming middle east wars.
/*sarcasm w/grain of irony - poprocksandsoda, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1You feel entitled for a free education?
- diggingaround, on 06/11/2008, -0/+17Who cares about you getting educated... we don't need smart people here, we can import them from Russia, India, China...and they will work for a fraction of a peanuts comparing to you... what we need here is more cannon fodders for upcoming middle east wars.
- trixterIreland, on 06/11/2008, -15/+10some of those numbers are misleading though. Its Iraq AND Afganistan, and some of that includes domestic stuff. This is why democrats wanted the rider for the GI bill stuff attached to the iraq war spending bill, which iirc is 20% of that figure, and because of article like this why Republicans wanted the bill separate.
- FutureGuy, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2ok it was $5'3'3,236,299,998, feel any better?
- laserblazer, on 06/11/2008, -8/+18Bush has made America a laughing-stock. He and his masters (novus ordo seclorum) have conducted a virtual organ-harvest on poor America's fading superpower status.
- Conwaysb0718, on 06/11/2008, -8/+3IMO we've been on a steady decline for quite some time. Me, i blame the feminist agenda.
- theaceoffire, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4Yes, DAMN those feminists for invading Iraq!
- Conwaysb0718, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4i was going for one of those "so ridiculous its funny" things, but i entirely forgot that the internet is serious business.
- theaceoffire, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4Yes, DAMN those feminists for invading Iraq!
- EarlOfLade, on 06/11/2008, -3/+3No, the American people has made USA the laughing stock. Bush was just an instrument used and supported for the past 8 years by the American people. If that was not the case, Bush would not be in the White House today.
Put the blame were it squarely belongs, on the shoulders of the American people.- Pstmann, on 06/11/2008, -2/+3On half of the American people, only half.
- TheLoneHoot, on 06/11/2008, -2/+4Put the blame on the rigged elections of 2000 and 2004. Remember, it's not who you vote for...
...it's who your voting machine votes for. - gsadamb, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1Slightly less than half in 2000.
- EarlOfLade, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2Only half or less got him in, but the whole US population is responsible for keeping him in the office.
Any civilized country would have gotten rid of a person like Bush so fast you have no idea. But, USA elects a dictator for four years at a time.
And of course, impeaching for lying about a blowjob is OK, but impeaching someone lying to bring the country and killing thousands of people is not OK. Go figure, but I guess since US TV blur naked people but show mutilated corpses, this is in line with the common idea of what is decent.
- TheLoneHoot, on 06/11/2008, -2/+4Put the blame on the rigged elections of 2000 and 2004. Remember, it's not who you vote for...
- flyingmeteor, on 06/11/2008, -1/+1Agreed, we, the American people are to blame. It's a shame we exchanged money for the lives of our loved ones.
A real nation would've done what was necessary years ago and invaded and conquered, instead of wasting money are smart missles to reduce casualties. This is the fault of the American people because America no longer has the stomach to fight real a war where people actually die by millions. - joeyjj, on 06/11/2008, -1/+1Let's not forget that Bush lost the popular vote by over half a million votes in 2000.
- Pstmann, on 06/11/2008, -2/+3On half of the American people, only half.
- poprocksandsoda, on 06/11/2008, -2/+1You must like the good olde days when the US was considered weak by our enemies, without resolve and unwilling to sacrifice for a greater peace. I'm sorry, despite the setbacks I believe that history will be kind to the President.
- lukeb1222, on 06/12/2008, -0/+2Can I have some of whatever you're on? Because it must be some strong *****.
- Conwaysb0718, on 06/11/2008, -8/+3IMO we've been on a steady decline for quite some time. Me, i blame the feminist agenda.
- tufftugg, on 06/11/2008, -10/+10 No matter if your a Republican or Democrat or Independent it's your debt, or to be more exact your children's, children. So glad not to be an American, sweet blessings indeed.
- tonage, on 06/11/2008, -4/+4We are glad you are not an American too. Sweet blessings indeed.
- alwilson, on 06/11/2008, -1/+6Don't gloat too much over not being American because our war debt is going to affect you too. The US economy is so tied into the world economy that when it crashes it brings down everyone.
- gbates31, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1Sure, it'll hurt some nations, but it won't be nearly as bad as how it will affect us. The nations that hold our debt and trade with us will be most affected. The others though will do business as usual.
- rationalbeats, on 06/11/2008, -3/+51But the Bush administration went before Congress and said the war would pay for it's self through the sale of oil.
Are you as sick of the lies as me?- pintomp3, on 06/11/2008, -0/+17rupert murdoch said the iraq war would bring us $20/barrel oil.
- verdouxkai, on 06/11/2008, -0/+19lol, he meant at the gas pumps! you know he gets confused sometimes...
- Pritchard, on 06/11/2008, -0/+6It pays for *their* oil. They're probably making millions off of this war.
- fokov, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3I don't think you need "probably" in that statement.
- joonas, on 06/11/2008, -0/+0More like billions. Each.
- fokov, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3I don't think you need "probably" in that statement.
- userperson, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1"Are you as sick of the lies as me?"
No, I got over it. Lying is what government and politicians do.
If you want to change it, try get them to restructure the incentives.
Good luck with that though, they make the rules so they can get the best deal possible for themselves. - poprocksandsoda, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Nice inventing history. When did this happen?
- colincornaby, on 06/11/2008, -1/+12This is why when people whine about the government losing a few million dollars I laugh.
$543 billion is a lot of money. That's one huge tax cut. Or a government run insurance program. Or enough to save Social Security.- userperson, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1When it never happens, I opt for tax-cut. We have enough boondoggles as it is.
- gbates31, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1$543 Billion is far from saving Social Security. The Government Accountability Office was on Glenn Beck and stated that we need to be saving $2-3 TRILLION per YEAR to save SS. Overall SS entitlements will total $58 TRILLION. To give perspective, that's the entire world's net worth.
- userperson, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1When it never happens, I opt for tax-cut. We have enough boondoggles as it is.
- facereplacer, on 06/11/2008, -5/+49GUYS! We can double-down in Iran make back or money 2 fold!
I'm enlisting! War is so helpful.- thedarkwolf, on 06/11/2008, -0/+5Put it on roulette.
"Wait... we could have enough money to buy back the town AND be super rich"
- thedarkwolf, on 06/11/2008, -0/+5Put it on roulette.
- robo523, on 06/11/2008, -8/+8$543,529,789,318
12:40pm EST - cuntmate99, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4funny how they're not quite as appreciative as i'd expect for such a large investment
- dickrising, on 06/11/2008, -25/+14***** USA IMPERIALISM ENDS WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND ,KARMA IS COMING.
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..............................- smdepot, on 06/11/2008, -2/+6careful guys, I just heard that karma was coming.
- nogChoco, on 06/12/2008, -1/+2Karma is a pornstar with big *****.
- psibladeZX, on 06/11/2008, -3/+84And we cant get healthcare why? ohhhh... right. 2/3rd of the ***** budget goes to defense... defense from what??? jesus christ, we're like a bully on the playground who's paying for protection... here's an idea... get out of all countries we have bases in, come back, reduce size of military, and if anyone tries to start some *****, THEN we can go kick their ass. I dont know about you, but thats how I played in my playground... didnt start anything, but if someone started with me, I'd kick their ass.
- thedogfatherx, on 06/11/2008, -19/+2It's a lot more complicated then that.
"Defense from what?" I'm not even going to answere that.- republicker, on 06/11/2008, -0/+13tha boogie man
- Endemoniada, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Probably because you have no answer. Terrorism, you say? Terrorism is an idea, a method, a way of getting what you want that is being employed by radical islamists and US politicians alike. Scare people into doing what you want. The dictionary doesn't specify that you have to scare people by blowing them up.
If the US spent even a tenth of all that money on protecting its own borders, the entire continent of North America would be the best protected fortress in the world. Instead your government spends the money on creating more terrorists, giving them exactly what they want.
Terrorists couldn't care less about your so called freedom, they just want you to stop shooting at them!
- ahawks, on 06/11/2008, -5/+14You sir sound like a fellow Ron Paul supporter.
If only everyone else saw things that way.
Since when were we the world police? If China or North Korea wanted to put bases throughout the US, how would we feel?
What, is it offensive to compare the US with NK and China? I picked the first countries that came to mind who are insane enough to use nuclear weapons and torture prisoners. I'd say we're tit for tat, except we actually HAVE used nukes. On civilians. Twice. And there has been plenty of talk about preemptive nuclear strikes.- TheKeithD, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Team America: World Police
America, ***** YEAH!
- TheKeithD, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1Team America: World Police
- onetimeuse, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2Yea, lets get out of Europe. The EU is strong enough. And if anything happens, we'll just go in and help. And If anything happens, Make China go, they're the ones that want to become an international power.
- toliseju, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1"answer"
- FriGuy, on 06/11/2008, -0/+9I don't consider it defense when they haven't done ***** to me.
- userperson, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2Hope you're not asking a sadistic bully for healthcare, that usually doesn't go well.
- jack104, on 06/12/2008, -0/+0Thats a good idea bro. But the only reason someone would attack us is because they thought they had a shot in hell at beating us. The only way they'd think that is if our military was reduced. I'm not trying to be a dick, I just think teddy Roosevelt said it best...."Speak softly and carry a big stick."
- Soragon, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1That's why I live in Australia.
- thedogfatherx, on 06/11/2008, -19/+2It's a lot more complicated then that.
- chrissku, on 06/11/2008, -4/+17This gives McCain even less of a shot.
- DoubleM24, on 06/11/2008, -7/+2Ok, just a random question. Is that half a zillion dollars? I always get confused when ridiculously large national spending goes up above the trillions...
- nicksauce, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2500 billiion = half a trillion. Zillion isn't a real term.
- minorthreat, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2how much is a million billion trillion dollars
- musntSurfatWork, on 06/11/2008, -19/+3that's close to $100 a person. Meh, I spent on worse things in my life. Actually , no I didn't. Gimme my ***** money back! I'm going to the whitehouse now to get it. Who's with me?
- hode, on 06/11/2008, -0/+9Wrong. There are 117 million taxpayers in the US*. So assuming we paid it all off right now, it would cost about $4,600 per taxpayer.
However, this enormous sum is just getting tacked on to the national debt with interest. Assuming we actually try to pay it off in say 30 years, it's going to cost close to $7,000 per taxpayer, or $14,000 per family. And that's if the war stopped right now...
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_Unite ...- steelsmack, on 06/11/2008, -1/+1You're both wrong, the population of the US is 300 million. 550 billion dollars splits to about $1800 a person. Taxpayer != person. Either way, it's an amount that has been split over 5 years, so about $360/person/year. Not exactly overwhelming. Still, it definitely could go towards better things than liberating countries and overthrowing tyrants...
- musntSurfatWork, on 06/11/2008, -0/+0i was actually referring to a Global population of close to 6 Billion
- ryan83189, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1When are they pitching in again?
- hode, on 06/11/2008, -0/+9Wrong. There are 117 million taxpayers in the US*. So assuming we paid it all off right now, it would cost about $4,600 per taxpayer.
- Quenlin, on 06/11/2008, -8/+31And in the end, we have no oil, gas is more expensive than milk, everyone suspects Muslims of being terrorists, no rights at the airport, a president who can get hanged for treason, 35 articles of impeachment ignored, illegal wiretaps in our homes, and the Ku Klux Klan can still freely march up and down our streets.
Ladies and Gentlemen. Welcome to America.- drmangrum, on 06/11/2008, -0/+11Your last item in that list is a Freedom of Speech issue. You don't want the government to regulate hate groups. That's a slippery slope filled with bad juju. Once the precedent is set, it would take little effort for a person of power to label any group as a "hate group" and have the law deal with them.
- delrin500, on 06/11/2008, -2/+48And 25 billion has positively been identified as Stolen, "Lost", mismanaged or some other way misappropriated. Largest heist in American and probably world history.
Source: Any news outlet OUTSIDE the US.- Duositex, on 06/11/2008, -0/+6I heard this on NPR via the BBC. So... there *are* news outlets covering the truth.
$23 billion is a great deal of money.. but that means that more than 95% of all of the money spent on the war was spent "correctly". I don't know if I find that to be acceptable or outrageous.- minorthreat, on 06/11/2008, -1/+6hardly, we have more defense contractors in iraq than we do military personal. These guys are getting paid way better and are doing the same jobs our military has traditionally done. Do you consider that "money spent correctly"? I see it as Cheney hooking up his buddies with no-bid contracts.
- Duositex, on 06/11/2008, -0/+6I heard this on NPR via the BBC. So... there *are* news outlets covering the truth.
- rrife, on 06/11/2008, -3/+24It just money, we can always print more.
- republicker, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3http://silverbulletin.utopiasilver.com/index.php?o ...
- rednaxela825, on 06/12/2008, -0/+1It costs money to make money.
- psibladeZX, on 06/11/2008, -3/+195 years at 500 billion... thats 100 billion a year... mccain wants to stay there for 100 years... that makes for....1x10^13 wtf? 10,000,000,000,000
uh thats quite a big number... my calculator wouldnt even count that high... maybe in a hundred years calculators will count that high.- ep53, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4Its also compound. Look at the graph, it increases every year...
- warlokaz2004, on 06/11/2008, -0/+18Thats a half a trillion. Added to the national debt. I'm a republican and I can't see how spending 500 billion on a war of 'choice' help our nation out...if anything it seems to screw up our economy. Afghanistan was different -- they attacked us, they were where the Taliban were, we HAD to get back and stop those wanting to attack the U.S. -- Iraq? We coulda just killed Hussein and then left...how easy would that have been? Iraq and 'Mission Accomplished' get to be the legacy of the Bush presidency.
- Tomchei, on 06/11/2008, -0/+7The Taliban were in Afghanistan but all the hijackers were Saudis and the Saudis compensated the families for their `sacrifice`.
- gbates31, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2What's even worse about invading Afghanistan was that the Taliban offered to hand bin Laden over if we presented evidence that he was involved in the 9/11 attacks. No evidence has since been presented nor charges pressed against bin Laden, yet we're still in Afghanistan. wtf?!
- greatawakening, on 06/11/2008, -3/+25I just threw up in my mouth a little bit, but then I swallowed it back down because that's what I've been doing for the last 7 years anyway.
- durazine, on 06/11/2008, -1/+3Sounds like you've been working on your technique, I'm sure your parents are proud.
- QsheiK, on 06/11/2008, -1/+12And to think....about 5% of that (roughly 23 Billion) just happened to go missing somehow.
- korvan504521, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1I'm surprised if thats all they can't account for.
- arusso, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1It's Bush's drug money allowance...
How else can he be so ***** stupid every time he opens his mouth?
- 8BenCFC8, on 06/11/2008, -2/+14I'm pretty sure we could solve the oil crisis for less than 500 billion...
- EdmontonEh, on 06/11/2008, -4/+5Oil!!!! Oil crisis... LMAO...
How about health care, education, or the FOOD crisis, or even maybe the environment (weird)... NO... Oil Crisis!!! LOL Unreal... - nycmac247, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2don't you get it? We invaded Iraq to keep the pumps _OFF_
- gbates31, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1well, if we invaded iraq to keep the pumps off, then we failed miserably at that too. PM Maliki recently stated that iraq's oil production is now at pre-war levels. the whole oil and gas price crisis can be solved for free. just leave iraq and oil will go down to pre-war levels, possibly a little higher on the account of inflation.
- EdmontonEh, on 06/11/2008, -4/+5Oil!!!! Oil crisis... LMAO...
- Duositex, on 06/11/2008, -1/+74So let's get this straight. You get yourself into office. You start a war in the middle east to drive up oil prices. You make us pay for the war there to guarantee yourself access to the oil so you can sell it us. You put our economy in the dump because of said war and oil prices. Then you write us "stimulus checks" of OUR OWN MONEY so that we can afford the oil that YOU are selling us.
Biggest god damn scam in history.- Waiting2awake, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3It will stop the second Americans remove that bastard from office. Take a stand, go for a walk ;-)
- durazine, on 06/11/2008, -10/+1" guarantee yourself access to the oil so you can sell it us"
what the hell are you talking about?- dycc07, on 06/11/2008, -0/+9He's talking about using the military (funded by us, the taxpayers) to secure and occupy oil fields in the middle east. The government then awards the ensuing oil development projects via contracts to preferred corporations (those with connections to the current administration). These companies then sell the oil back to us at steep prices ($4 gasoline)
- dycc07, on 06/11/2008, -0/+9He's talking about using the military (funded by us, the taxpayers) to secure and occupy oil fields in the middle east. The government then awards the ensuing oil development projects via contracts to preferred corporations (those with connections to the current administration). These companies then sell the oil back to us at steep prices ($4 gasoline)
- FriGuy, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4You see, in this little country called Iraq there's a lot of black gold...hence teh invasionzor
- durazine, on 06/11/2008, -9/+2Time to take off the tin foil hat. Enjoy your summer kids, school will start before you know it.
- AngeloM3, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2Thank you Mr. Bush! Your a true American hero!
/sarcasm- tuffguy, on 06/12/2008, -0/+0why the excessive space? drawing attention to your statement by wasting space is annoying.
- soot, on 06/11/2008, -1/+24*****, think of how many swimming pools filled with Jell-O I could have bought with that. What a waste.
- makvaf, on 06/11/2008, -16/+0have you guys seen this.....it's AMAZING!
http://censeo.cc/2008/06/irans-new-voice-inspired- ... - V0lk, on 06/11/2008, -3/+9and just imagine if we spend that on our schools or health care instead....
- alanr19, on 06/11/2008, -0/+5LOL. How is bush and his business elite going to profit from that? Its never going to happen. You're stuck with a broken health system, broken education system and a never ending war on terror.
Thats what happens when you vote for an obvious criminal like Bush, twice. But you've probably not learned anything. - flyturbo, on 06/11/2008, -1/+2yes... true! but does it buy you freedom?
I didn't think so... - Kazimieras, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2Hate to break it to you, but per capita, the US spends more than Canada on healthcare, and no offense, while Canada's isn't perfect, it is a hell of a lot better than the US's.
- mikethejohnson, on 06/11/2008, -1/+1Capitalism people, capitalism. Universal heath-care will never work. If you like Canadian health-care, move there. Last time I checked there isn't a wall stopping you...yet.
Freedom isn't free! There's a heavy F#$%IN' fee......Freedom costs a buck o' five....- thesonofdarwin, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1Except instead of paying a buck o' five for freedom we are paying 517,367,904,760 buck o' fives to have it systematically stripped. It's amazing what a little fear makes people do. I'll leave that last sentence up to further interpretation as there are plenty more examples of absurdness brought on upon by irrational fear. Wonder how many more thousands of years it will take people to comprehend that the last people you can trust are those in control.
- PrintScrn12, on 06/12/2008, -1/+1You can criticise your own country without having to leave the country. I mean if someone was for universal fire fighting services would you then call: "Capitalism people, capitalism. Universal fire fighting services will never work. If you like Canadian fire fighting, move there. Last time I checked there isn't a wall stopping you...yet."
- alanr19, on 06/11/2008, -0/+5LOL. How is bush and his business elite going to profit from that? Its never going to happen. You're stuck with a broken health system, broken education system and a never ending war on terror.
- NeoCortex, on 06/11/2008, -1/+25That's not too bad. At least it wasn't something like $543,236,300,000. That would have just been too far.
- leftnutz, on 06/11/2008, -0/+5I Kind of think it would've been in Digg spirit to post if it was $543,210,123,456 or something along those lines.